Disciplinary Measures

azezzo · Post by **azezzo** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:42 pm

Preview: Re: Disciplinary Measures

king achilles wrote:Hello azezzo,

You have received a formal disciplinary warning.

Issued by: king achilles

Comment:

Zyklon B was the trade name of a cyanide-based pesticide infamous for its use by Nazi Germany against human beings in gas chambers of extermination camps during the Holocaust.

This happens to be your signature and avatar right now.

We received a complaint about it and we HIGHLY suggest that you change both of these into a more suitable representation. This also means not another avatar or signature that symbolizes controversial meanings like this.

I am giving you 24 hours to replace them. Thank you for understanding.

Regards,
The Conquer Club

nothing like pissing off the paying customers days b4 their premium membership is to expire.
rather than asking why i have such things as my current avatar/sig, the jack booted power weilding teenagers that are in control, demand that i change them.

at what point is something deemed controversial, isnt that a subjective point of view, and just how many people have to be offended to mandate action to be taken by the powers that be at C.C.

I have had that sig/avatar for about 2 weeks now, this is the 1st i have heard that it bothered any one, so i ask that if i can find 10 people who are not offended to every 1 person who is, can i keep the sig/avatar.

so now i ask the administration at c.c. are you of the belief that these things like Zyklon B are not to be talked about, i ask why is that the case, personally i take great offense to the censorship of conquer club, i have not publicly advocated the use of Zyklon B for anything.

so now i will further ask for permission to change my signature to that of the cover of the book "Night" by Elie Wiesel, and perhaps my avatar to a picture of Anne Frank, will they be offensive or controversial?

The Holocaust happened, Auschwitz was real, life isnt pretty, but i do not appreciate censorship, and I surely dont trust Conquer Club to be capable to decide what should or should not be censored.

ronsizzle · Post by **ronsizzle** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:56 pm

i dont get it azezzo.

but cc is a censored place man...

colton24 · Post by **colton24** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 7:59 pm

First off whoever complained is easily offended.

This doesn't offend me one bit actually. Wow a pesticide used in gas chambers, really a racist thing there

ronsizzle · Post by **ronsizzle** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:01 pm

From 1929 onwards the U.S. used Zyklon B to disinfect the freight trains and clothes of Mexican immigrants entering the US. Farm Securities Administration photographer Marion Post Wolcott recorded the use of cyanide gas and Zyklon B by the Public Health Service at the New Orleans Quarantine Station during the 1930s.

mpjh · Post by **mpjh** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:02 pm

Colton, it is a poisonous gas used by the Nazi in gas chambers to kill millions of Jews, gypsies, political activists, and homosexuals. People from families who were killed this way are righteously offended to the trivial use of that symbol of death and suffering.

jefjef · Post by **jefjef** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:02 pm

THIRDREICH - BabyHitler - Stalin - and many other questionable related names are OK.

but this extremely obscure product is not.

Well I wouldn't want anything connected to genocide on my wall and CC doesn't want it on site. Can't blame em I spose.

jpcloet · Post by **jpcloet** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:04 pm

I would agree that a warning would be fine, however, you fail to indicate that you've had prior warnings in this area.

Johnny Rockets · Post by **Johnny Rockets** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:10 pm

This is a tough one.

I'm against censorship, but I imagine to some your "Try Zyklon B ....it's a gas" joke might appear that your making light of the holocaust.

If you had a canister of Zyklon B as your Avatar, or the user name: Zyclon B then I think you would have an excellent argument and would be in the right. It's hard to defend this instance when it can be construed your making light of genocide.

Now in real life, I think if you want to make light of the holocaust, wear a t-shirt like your avatar, or join in a neo nazi march you should have the freedom to do so. However this site is a dictatorship, as we all know and you can kick of scream but once you get that notice the chances of changing their minds on an issue of freedom of expression are slim to none.

So right or wrong, my friend I suggest you pick and choose your battles and simply change the sig.

I would also have fun testing the borders of what is and is not offensive. At least you know they would need to divert efforts into keeping you on the leash. So get inventive, and start uploading something that pushes the envelope.

Happy Trails!

JRock

jefjef · Post by **jefjef** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:13 pm

jpcloet wrote:I would agree that a warning would be fine, however, you fail to indicate that you've had prior warnings in this area.

NO. In this case a friendly request from CC would have been in order. BUT a warning? c'mon.

the.killing.44 · Post by **the.killing.44** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:13 pm

Johnny Rockets wrote:This is a tough one.

I'm against censorship, but I imagine to some your "Try Zyklon B ....it's a gas" joke might appear that your making light of the holocaust.

If you had a canister of Zyklon B as your Avatar, or the user name: Zyclon B then I think you would have an excellent argument and would be in the right. It's hard to defend this instance when it can be construed your making light of genocide.

Now in real life, I think if you want to make light of the holocaust, wear a t-shirt like your avatar, or join in a neo nazi march you should have the freedom to do so. However this site is a dictatorship, as we all know and you can kick of scream but once you get that notice the chances of changing their minds on an issue of freedom of expression are slim to none.

So right or wrong, my friend I suggest you pick and choose your battles and simply change the sig.

I would also have fun testing the borders of what is and is not offensive. At least you know they would need to divert efforts into keeping you on the leash. So get inventive, and start uploading something that pushes the envelope.

Happy Trails!

JRock

Well said. I've shown myself to be easily ticked off in these areas, so I guess I like the call, but consistency consistency consistency, people…

jefjef wrote:
jpcloet wrote:I would agree that a warning would be fine, however, you fail to indicate that you've had prior warnings in this area.
NO. In this case a friendly request from CC would have been in order. BUT a warning? c'mon.

Like jp said, he's been previously warned.

Woodruff · Post by **Woodruff** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:17 pm

jefjef wrote:THIRDREICH - BabyHitler - Stalin - and many other questionable related names are OK.
but this extremely obscure product is not.

That's really what I don't understand.

mpjh · Post by **mpjh** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:23 pm

It is not obscure at all.

azezzo · Post by **azezzo** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:28 pm

is an andy warhol image more acceptable?

Click image to enlarge.

mpjh · Post by **mpjh** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:32 pm

azezzo · Post by **azezzo** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:39 pm

mpjh wrote:Colton, it is a poisonous gas used by the Nazi in gas chambers to kill millions of Jews, gypsies, political activists, and homosexuals. People from families who were killed this way are righteously offended to the trivial use of that symbol of death and suffering.

and just how many c.c. members actually were honestly offended, there wasnt even a report on this in C & A

and personally mpjh i am offended that you made no mention of the Catholics that were killed in the concentration camps, are you harboring some sort of bigotry towards the Catholics? I would expect a formal apology from you to follow for this blatant omission.

1931roadster · Post by **1931roadster** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:48 pm

In the name of CC, You Demand that he change the avatar, because of one person's interpretation...
Wow, with an attitude like that, I suppose that we are all subject to your Dictatorship whims.
My avatar has a 1931 Ford pictured. Does CC realize that Henry Ford had mutual understandings with Hitler.
I wonder if that photo of my car will offend anyone...
That is exactly how the persecution in the 30's and 40's started.
Maybe the High Command of CC should read their history...

karelpietertje · Post by **karelpietertje** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:10 pm

Before the nazis used it to do their horrible deeds, Zyklon B was used to exterminate vermin. Hence the name: it goes through a room like a hurricane and kills all the rats. I guess that shows how the nazis saw jews and homosexuals and the other people they murdered. This makes me sick.
You using it, especially with the commercial-way of talking, in your signature, must be horrible to (grand)children of victims of Zyklon B to see your avatar and signature, and I think that you get more than you deserve with just a warning and a chance to remove it.
Please, show a little respect.

-kp

less friendly PS

@ the idiotic people defending this guy's right of free speech, put on a clown suit and go sing happy and loud songs about burning stuff at a cremation or something. Damn, you have right of free speach, so why the hell not!?
morons

spicyblue · Post by **spicyblue** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:35 pm

I'm offended that a Sergeant with 240 games is issuing Disciplinary Measures to a Major with 6400 games

multilis · Post by **multilis** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:51 pm

Is sexual disease Herpes offensive? There may be sufferers on this site.

jefjef · Post by **jefjef** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:09 am

the.killing.44 wrote:
jefjef wrote:
jpcloet wrote:I would agree that a warning would be fine, however, you fail to indicate that you've had prior warnings in this area.
NO. In this case a friendly request from CC would have been in order. BUT a warning? c'mon.
Like jp said, he's been previously warned.

Well previous warning or not something as subjective as this should not qualify for a warning. They could easily just let him know.

If it was something as obvious as nudity than an instant warning would be proper.

Hecter wasn't warned for his swasi avi. Was just asked to remove it.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... r#p2239279

This has been noted and I have sent hecter a friendly pm explaining that some users can and will find this offensive and requested to have him remove the avatar.

lv

I believe azzezo has grounds for an appeal. Perhaps BigBallin or greekdog can handle the appeal.

BigBallinStalin · Post by **BigBallinStalin** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 2:57 am

Woodruff wrote:
jefjef wrote:THIRDREICH - BabyHitler - Stalin - and many other questionable related names are OK.
but this extremely obscure product is not.
That's really what I don't understand.

Names are more difficult to change since one would lose everything on CC; whereas, a signature can easily be changed with minimal loss. Given that, I think the CC-elite chooses not to be as critical towards names.

Azzezo--> As for your sig: "Try ZYKLON B its a Real Gas!" It reminds me of this scene from Waltz with Bashir, an Israeli film about an Israeli solider finding his role in the Sabra and Shatila massacre in Lebanon 1983. He's talking to a friend about the use of car bombs, and he says, "Yeah they're a real blast," and they laughed about it.

So, outside of CC very little is censored, and the easily offended aren't really paid attention to, but this is ConquerClub, which is a privately-owned business geared to satisfying most of its customers. Although many may not be offended by azzezo's sig, no one will drop their membership if he is forced to change it; however, those that are offended will probably decide not to pay the money and might also spread the bad word about how this site is anti-Semitic. This site is definitely not anti-Semitic, but such a rumor would be bad for business.

Would the CC-elite care to take that kind of risk for your own personal amusement at such a funny joke on Zyklon B? No, so you have to remove it. That's how it is, and as they say in South Park, "If you don't like it, you can GITTT out!"

Post by **king achilles** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:16 am

People who may file a complaint, does not necessarily has to be in the forums. azezzo, avatars and signature usage does have a limit. We can not have you going around the forums with something like this. Your avatar, together with your signature does imply what it really signifies.

You already have so many records of what you have done in the past. You are not a new account and you know the rules and guidelines. You are not new in dealing with moderators and administrators because of what you have done in the past, as what it shows in your records. When will the pm's and warnings stop?

If you like to pursue freedom of speech with this kind of avatar and signature, this is not the right ground. Attempting to have a group of friends or other people to support what you think is a worthy cause will not work on this one. Your avatar and signature is obviously intentionally disturbing to one or more users and will be dealt with accordingly. You can either comply into changing them, which is preferred, or you can call out others and together, claim that power wielding teenagers are taking control and demanding from you. You will not only lose your avatar and sig, but you will also be unable to post any replacements after that allotted time.

Woodruff · Post by **Woodruff** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 3:36 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
jefjef wrote:THIRDREICH - BabyHitler - Stalin - and many other questionable related names are OK.
but this extremely obscure product is not.
That's really what I don't understand.
Names are more difficult to change since one would lose everything on CC

That's really NOT true at all. It's quite simply only a policy that has been made.

BigBallinStalin wrote:Given that, I think the CC-elite chooses not to be as critical towards names.

Which is the key...they choose this. Not because there's a difference...it's simply a choice they have made.

BigBallinStalin · Post by **BigBallinStalin** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:02 am

Woodruff wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
jefjef wrote:THIRDREICH - BabyHitler - Stalin - and many other questionable related names are OK.
but this extremely obscure product is not.
That's really what I don't understand.
Names are more difficult to change since one would lose everything on CC
That's really NOT true at all. It's quite simply only a policy that has been made.

BigBallinStalin wrote:Given that, I think the CC-elite chooses not to be as critical towards names.
Which is the key...they choose this. Not because there's a difference...it's simply a choice they have made.

Oh. I didn't know they could change one's name without having them lose everything.

Fruitcake · Post by **Fruitcake** » Mon Dec 21, 2009 4:06 am

It comes as no surprise to me that cc allows racist comments and highly inflammable user names whilst enforcing rules in this instance.

I cannot see why people even discuss these things any more, admin just do what they like when they like to whom they like with little or no consistency in their actions, this is the way of things in the weird and upside down world of cc these days