Jesse, Bad Boy: a discussion

millej11 · Post by **millej11** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:16 pm

Do teachers in New York represent teachers in America? If so, then I'm sorry that my personal experiences are poorly valued compaired to the almighty Jesse, bad boy's.

And the teachers in Cuba don't have to work, much less be dedicated to their jobs more so than American teachers. The commi government will pay them for showing up and teaching, weather they teach them math or how to make bombs.

Jesse, Bad Boy · Post by **Jesse, Bad Boy** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:18 pm

millej11 wrote:Do teachers in New York represent teachers in America? If so, then I'm sorry that my personal experiences are poorly valued compaired to the almighty Jesse, bad boy's.

Quit being a douchebag. I quantified my argument by stating "Or, at least in New York they do". You are either a classic troll or plain retarded for ignoring that.

Warcraft3rocks2 · Post by **Warcraft3rocks2** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:23 pm

what a great subject

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:23 pm

millej11 wrote:The commi government will pay them for showing up and teaching, weather they teach them math or how to make bombs.

Yeah...a lot of bomb making classes in those Cuban public schools. Thats why Cuba is known far and wide their expert bomb making abilities.

millej11 · Post by **millej11** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:27 pm

Jesse, Bad Boy wrote:
millej11 wrote:Do teachers in New York represent teachers in America? If so, then I'm sorry that my personal experiences are poorly valued compaired to the almighty Jesse, bad boy's.
Quit being a douchebag. I quantified my argument by stating "Or, at least in New York they do". You are either a classic troll or plain retarded for ignoring that.

Tell me, in your "personal experiences" did you work in every school district with every teacher in every school? Or just one. Cuz one school doesn't define a state.

lol,And yes, it was a bad example blackglass.

2dimes · Post by **2dimes** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:27 pm

I might as well play.

Cuba has one of the highest literacy rates in the world.

Sure you could in theory be a teacher there and not do anything but you wouldn't have got there in the first place if you didn't like teaching and have some skills in it.

Also why bother becoming a teacher if you're too lazy, just do something else for the same renumeration. If you were not good at teaching they would weed you out way before you bacame one.

If you think any north american teacher with a job is not better off financially than a Cuban teacher you might want to take some math yourself.

Neutrino · Post by **Neutrino** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:12 am

everywhere116 wrote:So what do you propose we do? Teachers in Cuba are uninspired to work because they don't have to. The "government" will just supply their needs. Here in America, the teachers work for money, they have to be inspired to keep their job. Even in the slums the learning material is better than most other places in the world.

Viscous bullies??? Are you kidding me? No reason? Your logic is that of a two year old.

Trust me. as a current high school student, no matter how well they are payed, the vast majority of teachers (especially in poor areas - because they think that it is wasted time; teaching some poor kid skills he will never use) are incredibly uninspired. Most of them are only doing it for the great holidays, and dont care how bad these endless waves of kids educations are.

And, continue to trust me; the bullies and assorted other idiots often want to make me leave school.

everywhere116 wrote:No, they up and move to the next town. If they don't have a job, are poor, and live with a gang, then why would they have strong connections with their parents and the community? Once again you prove nothing.

So if they ahve lived in a town all their lives, they are just supposed to up and leave for something as insignificant as personal benifit? I think not, humans are incredily resistant to change.

And if they are in a gang (which not all of them are - being in a gang is not a prerequisite for being poor) what makes you think they dont love and care about their parents?

everywhere116 wrote:So you're assuming that they can't think for themselves? Do you think that they need Hilary Clinton to guide them? Once they get a couple buck from the government do you think they will somehow turn their lives around?
Regardless of their education, they have the ability to think for themselves and think for the best of themselves. Period.

You are speaking of what you would do as a fairly wealthy, middle aged, (I assume) well educated american. These people have the bair minimum of education, virtually no knowledge of finances. They ahve practially no chance of doing better for themselves, and they know it. They also know trying will involve a huge amount of work, and, most likely, no payoff. So they dont try.

everywhere116 wrote:How immature and sub retarded are these "kids"??? Once again, they can think for themselves and they can think for the best of themselves.

Once again, you are speaking from the position of a Wealthy, and highly educated white male, when the people you are speaking of are poorly educated and very poor. All they are thinking of uis a night of enjoyment, amidst a life that is a struggle to survive.

everywhere116 wrote:It doesn't take a college or even highschool education to get a job. It will be a shitty job, but if being poor and homeless is better than money in the bank, than I show them no pity.

But how many jobs at their skill level are available? In any major city there may be up to 250 000 poor, but nowhere near that many manual labor jobs!

That is all.

P.S. My initial arguments were short and poorly spelled because i typed them out in about 5 mins before i went to school.[/i]

flashleg8 · Post by **flashleg8** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:15 am

Neutrino wrote:
everywhere116 wrote:How immature and sub retarded are these "kids"??? Once again, they can think for themselves and they can think for the best of themselves.
Once again, you are speaking from the position of a Wealthy, and highly educated white male, when the people you are speaking of are poorly educated and very poor. All they are thinking of uis a night of enjoyment, amidst a life that is a struggle to survive.

Well put!

Neutrino · Post by **Neutrino** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:20 am

Except for the spelling errors...

I should really start proofreading.

benmor78 · Post by **benmor78** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:39 am

Jesus Hopscotching Christ, no one believes in accountability anymore? Of course, this isn't surprising coming from a student... you kids aren't supposed to believe in accountability. But the adults around here certainly should.

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:48 am

benmor78 wrote:Jesus Hopscotching Christ

I've always preferred "Jesus Jumped-Up Christ on a Pogo Stick!"

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:05 am

As people seem to have answered the majority of Benmor and Everywhere's points as I would have, let me ask one thing to the both of you...

What would your solution be? Or is society just damned...

I'm afriad 'they should just make better financial choices' or 'they should move' isn't an opiton, becuase short of you going down there and giving them $1000 to move to a different town, away from their neighbours, friends, family and community, they aint gonna. Even if you think all poor people are stupid, at least you should have some kind of solution... right... ???

millej11 · Post by **millej11** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:23 am

The only way to possably solve the homeless issue would result in much of them dieing at the cost of saving future ones. Like wiping the slate clean. I'm not exactly sure how this would work, but I know it won't ever get a chance in a democracy.

I also know that setting up help programs and giving them money hurts as much as it helps. It's a never ending cycle.

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:28 am

millej11 wrote:The only way to possably solve the homeless issue would result in much of them dieing at the cost of saving future ones. Like wiping the slate clean. I'm not exactly sure how this would work, but I know it won't ever get a chance in a democracy.

Holy shit. Like, wipe them out? Mixamatosis for tramps? It's crazy but it might just work...

I also know that setting up help programs and giving them money hurts as much as it helps. It's a never ending cycle.

Yes, helping them hurts as much as it helps. And of course everyone on the street is a hopeless case anyway, otherwise why would they be there?
Well put man.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:30 am

millej11 wrote:The only way to possably solve the homeless issue would result in much of them dieing at the cost of saving future ones. Like wiping the slate clean. I'm not exactly sure how this would work, but I know it won't ever get a chance in a democracy.

I also know that setting up help programs and giving them money hurts as much as it helps. It's a never ending cycle.

Throwing money into their hat I don't really agree with. I'll usually buy a sandwich or give them a bottle of water or something...

As for help programs, how do they harm the situation? Hostels are a place where homeless people can go to get a warm bed (i.e. not die of the cold), a wash, basic helathcare... Some hostels are able to set these guys up with a small flat so they can get off the streets and try and find a job to support themselves... And, at least in the UK, the majority of these much needed programs work off charitable benefit. And not very much of it at that.

millej11 · Post by **millej11** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:36 am

Money is a rationing coupon. There is no utility or work in money. However, when money used to by capital goods such as education or investment, as opposed to consumer goods like food and a good nights sleep, then the money works for you.

If you went out of the street and instead gave a homeless man $20 worth of education, then we would be getting somewhere.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:40 am

No-one said giving homeless people lump sums of cash was a great idea, but why not help programs?

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:44 am

millej11 wrote: If you went out of the street and instead gave a homeless man $20 worth of education, then we would be getting somewhere.

Could you BE any more patronising?

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:46 am

millej11 wrote:If you went out of the street and instead gave a homeless man $20 worth of education, then we would be getting somewhere.

But you are assuming all homeless are uneducated dropouts. What of those that HAVE diplomas or even degrees?

It happens.

millej11 · Post by **millej11** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:55 am

Backglass wrote:
millej11 wrote:If you went out of the street and instead gave a homeless man $20 worth of education, then we would be getting somewhere.
But you are assuming all homeless are uneducated dropouts. What of those that HAVE diplomas or even degrees?

It happens.

Those ones are collecting cans every night so that they can pay for a bus ticket to get their newly aquired minimum wage janitorial shift.

millej11 · Post by **millej11** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:58 am

heavycola wrote:
millej11 wrote: If you went out of the street and instead gave a homeless man $20 worth of education, then we would be getting somewhere.
Could you BE any more patronising?

MR. Nate · Post by **MR. Nate** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:07 am

Backglass is right. I've heard endless anecdotal evidence of geniuses that end up in the streets becuase they can't relate to normal people.

It's hard to say one way or another WHY people are poor, and I'm not sure it is a problem that can ever be completly overcome. Britan and the US are among the richest countries in the world, and we still deal with poverty.

Do what you can where you're at. That's the only solution I think there is.

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:09 am

MR. Nate wrote:Backglass is right. I've heard endless anecdotal evidence of geniuses that end up in the streets becuase they can't relate to normal people.

It's hard to say one way or another WHY people are poor, and I'm not sure it is a problem that can ever be completly overcome. Britan and the US are among the richest countries in the world, and we still deal with poverty.

Do what you can where you're at. That's the only solution I think there is.

Well spoken...

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:10 am

Anarkistsdream wrote:
MR. Nate wrote:Backglass is right. I've heard endless anecdotal evidence of geniuses that end up in the streets becuase they can't relate to normal people.

It's hard to say one way or another WHY people are poor, and I'm not sure it is a problem that can ever be completly overcome. Britan and the US are among the richest countries in the world, and we still deal with poverty.

Do what you can where you're at. That's the only solution I think there is.
Well spoken...

millej11 · Post by **millej11** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:12 am

MR. Nate wrote:Backglass is right. I've heard endless anecdotal evidence of geniuses that end up in the streets becuase they can't relate to normal people.

It's hard to say one way or another WHY people are poor, and I'm not sure it is a problem that can ever be completly overcome. Britan and the US are among the richest countries in the world, and we still deal with poverty.

Do what you can where you're at. That's the only solution I think there is.

Exactly.