Gun Control

[jefjef]

What's with this retarded mental masturbation about macho UHmerica half-partisan half-AHNOLD Schwarzenegger scenarios?

[Koesen]

And I quote

The Second Amendment

Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto - “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.”

Check and mate. you follow that?

sharpen up your facts before you go on commenting on certain subjects and making fools of yourselves.

Not that anybody is going to change his mind as a result of this discussion, but Yamamoto's quote is a myth: http://factcheck.org/2009/05/misquoting-yamamoto/

Look, it's very simple.

The US have relaxed gun laws because most Americans want guns and they are the ones who make American laws.

Certain other countries have strict laws because their people want strict laws and they are the ones who make those.

That's it. Everything else is irrelevant.

haha no slight correction certian countries with no guns couldnt have them if they wanted to cause the government has sll the power and the gun and they say no one but them can have guns...and their always right....cause they have the guns

You are welcome to your personal gun law convictions, but what you say here is ludicrous. Every country in western Europe has a democratically elected government that can be kicked out by the people whenever they want to (which frequently happens). If Europeans wanted American gun laws, they'd have them. But they don't want them, strange as that may seem to you.

[BigBallinStalin]

What's with this retarded mental masturbation about macho UHmerica half-partisan half-AHNOLD Schwarzenegger scenarios?

[Snorri1234]

A japanese dude? LMAO this "japanese dude" was the leader of the would be invading force. free history lessons on the basics..

So turns out the quote is made up. Do you have any other "evidence" backing up your claim that it was the 2nd amendment that prevented you from being invaded?

[pimpdave]

A japanese dude? LMAO this "japanese dude" was the leader of the would be invading force. free history lessons on the basics..

So turns out the quote is made up. Do you have any other "evidence" backing up your claim that it was the 2nd amendment that prevented you from being invaded?

Captain America, duh.

Although, to be super serial for a minute, there were plans circulating through the Third Reich for an eventual invasion of America, because apparently Hitler believed that all of the best, brightest and strongest Germans had gone to the "New World" and in order to reclaim the super-genes for his super-race of super-dudes, he needed to come to our continent and get those dudes and dudettes back.

No one should forget about the U-boats that were off the coast of the USA, or that famous case of the saboteurs who landed and were supposed to disrupt the American war effort, but the guys all decided they rather liked it here, and some surrendered while others tried to just make a go of it as illegal aliens. That's actually one of my favorite stories of the war, that even the highly trained special operatives who were supposed to do us harm decided we were cooler than Nazi Germany.

[jaimito101]

Here's a brief clip about the history of gun control (3:30), including some shocking results from Australias first year of strict control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP59nRBnA84 w/music and pictures
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_1r6aUJofM just statistics

what a crap link to start a reasonable discussion, are you really stating that 13 millions jews where killed because of gun control being established in germany?!?

this whole link is biased and looks more like 2nd amendment propaganda than a reasonable look at any real truth. Shame that people still stumble and get tricked into believing such things. Shows how easilly one can be manipulated, even in these times.

[Phatscotty]

What's with this retarded mental masturbation about macho UHmerica half-partisan half-AHNOLD Schwarzenegger scenarios?

Get real. If there was a war declared on the US by a strong enough country, it would involve nuclear weapons. Nearly all of you would be dead or almost dead, so quite cumming all over the fora walls--it's disgusting.

"BUt but but but, we're talking about ww2 scenarios11!!" None of those countries were even close to invading the US--unless of course you want to reinvent history, then please resume your journey to climax at full throttle. Just don't forget to add some alien spaceships and mabye a few Giants and Elves in there too.

A declared nuclear war? REALLY ball? Suicidal world destruction. That's not even feasible. A terrorist nuclear attack maybe. But an attack from another nuclear power as long as we aren't nuclear dis-armed? Invasion is more realistic after economic upheaval and an internal civil war.

MADD

[Phatscotty]

A japanese dude? LMAO this "japanese dude" was the leader of the would be invading force. free history lessons on the basics..

So turns out the quote is made up. Do you have any other "evidence" backing up your claim that it was the 2nd amendment that prevented you from being invaded?

[Phatscotty]

Here's a brief clip about the history of gun control (3:30), including some shocking results from Australias first year of strict control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP59nRBnA84 w/music and pictures
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_1r6aUJofM just statistics

what a crap link to start a reasonable discussion, are you really stating that 13 millions jews where killed because of gun control being established in germany?!?

this whole link is biased and looks more like 2nd amendment propaganda than a reasonable look at any real truth. Shame that people still stumble and get tricked into believing such things. Shows how easilly one can be manipulated, even in these times.

perhaps, if the Jews of germany were able to own guns.....they might have been able to defend themselves? is that really so unreasonable? really?

[Baron Von PWN]

A japanese dude? LMAO this "japanese dude" was the leader of the would be invading force. free history lessons on the basics..

So turns out the quote is made up. Do you have any other "evidence" backing up your claim that it was the 2nd amendment that prevented you from being invaded?

yup up to your usual quality of response.

[jefjef]

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."

Admiral Yamamoto

[natty dread]

A japanese dude? LMAO this "japanese dude" was the leader of the would be invading force. free history lessons on the basics..

So turns out the quote is made up. Do you have any other "evidence" backing up your claim that it was the 2nd amendment that prevented you from being invaded?

yup up to your usual quality of response.

[Phatscotty]

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."

Admiral Yamamoto

oh thats fake! some internet dude said so! shit, he wasnt even an admiral! My college professor probably started the lie, yeah and the History channel picked up on it. Hell of a conspiracy, it even made it into thethe history books! hell, how do we even really know WW2 happened at all? was it all a hoax???

[Baron Von PWN]

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."

Admiral Yamamoto

Yes we have seen the quote, however its authenticity is questionable. Admiral Yamamoto also didn't have as much say over strategic decisions as you might think. In fact He consistently argued against war with the USA. Which might cause us to come to the conclusion that he wasn't the one deciding to go to war.

[natty dread]

Yamamoto wasn't an admiral at all. Actually he was the guy who invented Yamaha motorcycles.

Although if he hadn't done it, they certainly would have been invented in McGill university sooner or later.

[Phatscotty]

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."

Admiral Yamamoto

Yes we have seen the quote, however its authenticity is questionable. Admiral Yamamoto also didn't have as much say over strategic decisions as you might think. In fact He consistently argued against war with the USA. Which might cause us to come to the conclusion that he wasn't the one deciding to go to war.

I'm well aware of how smart he was.

[muy_thaiguy]

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."

Admiral Yamamoto

Yes we have seen the quote, however its authenticity is questionable. Admiral Yamamoto also didn't have as much say over strategic decisions as you might think. In fact He consistently argued against war with the USA. Which might cause us to come to the conclusion that he wasn't the one deciding to go to war.

I'm well aware of how smart he was.

No kidding. I also believe that he attended college in the US, and had a great deal of respect for us.

Suffice to say, he basically knew he would regret attcking the US, and he did end up regretting it.

[Phatscotty]

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."

Admiral Yamamoto

Yes we have seen the quote, however its authenticity is questionable. Admiral Yamamoto also didn't have as much say over strategic decisions as you might think. In fact He consistently argued against war with the USA. Which might cause us to come to the conclusion that he wasn't the one deciding to go to war.

I'm well aware of how smart he was.

No kidding. I also believe that he attended college in the US, and had a great deal of respect for us.

Suffice to say, he basically knew he would regret attcking the US, and he did end up regretting it.

yes, if only an admiral had any say..... Who does the admiral take orders from again?

[muy_thaiguy]

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."

Admiral Yamamoto

Yes we have seen the quote, however its authenticity is questionable. Admiral Yamamoto also didn't have as much say over strategic decisions as you might think. In fact He consistently argued against war with the USA. Which might cause us to come to the conclusion that he wasn't the one deciding to go to war.

I'm well aware of how smart he was.

No kidding. I also believe that he attended college in the US, and had a great deal of respect for us.

Suffice to say, he basically knew he would regret attcking the US, and he did end up regretting it.

yes, if only an admiral had any say..... Who does the admiral take orders from again?

In his case, the War Council of the Empire of Japan, or as the common Japanese citizen liked to think, "The God Emperor."

[jefjef]

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."

Admiral Yamamoto

Yes we have seen the quote, however its authenticity is questionable. Admiral Yamamoto also didn't have as much say over strategic decisions as you might think. In fact He consistently argued against war with the USA. Which might cause us to come to the conclusion that he wasn't the one deciding to go to war.

Of course he wasn't the one that decided to go to war. He was the one to command the Perl Harbor attack. He was following orders. Yes he did argue against going to war. He knew they could only win a few early victories.

[Baron Von PWN]

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."

Admiral Yamamoto

Yes we have seen the quote, however its authenticity is questionable. Admiral Yamamoto also didn't have as much say over strategic decisions as you might think. In fact He consistently argued against war with the USA. Which might cause us to come to the conclusion that he wasn't the one deciding to go to war.

Of course he wasn't the one that decided to go to war. He was the one to command the Perl Harbor attack. He was following orders. Yes he did argue against going to war. He knew they could only win a few early victories.

So using his quote to justify why Japan didn't invade the mainland doesn't make much sense does it? seeing as he didn't have a large say in the greater strategy of the Japanese empire.

[pimpdave]

I'm re-posting this because everyone is just avoiding it. Why didn't those saboteurs complete their mission? Was it all the guns? No, it was how free and open we are. That is our greatest defense, our greatest strength. The guns didn't factor into their decision at all. Read up on it. Seriously.

Although, to be super serial for a minute, there were plans circulating through the Third Reich for an eventual invasion of America, because apparently Hitler believed that all of the best, brightest and strongest Germans had gone to the "New World" and in order to reclaim the super-genes for his super-race of super-dudes, he needed to come to our continent and get those dudes and dudettes back.

No one should forget about the U-boats that were off the coast of the USA, or that famous case of the saboteurs who landed and were supposed to disrupt the American war effort, but the guys all decided they rather liked it here, and some surrendered while others tried to just make a go of it as illegal aliens. That's actually one of my favorite stories of the war, that even the highly trained special operatives who were supposed to do us harm decided we were cooler than Nazi Germany.

[jefjef]

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."

Admiral Yamamoto

Yes we have seen the quote, however its authenticity is questionable. Admiral Yamamoto also didn't have as much say over strategic decisions as you might think. In fact He consistently argued against war with the USA. Which might cause us to come to the conclusion that he wasn't the one deciding to go to war.

Of course he wasn't the one that decided to go to war. He was the one to command the Perl Harbor attack. He was following orders. Yes he did argue against going to war. He knew they could only win a few early victories.

So using his quote to justify why Japan didn't invade the mainland doesn't make much sense does it? seeing as he didn't have a large say in the greater strategy of the Japanese empire.

That quote was a high ranked enemies educated opinion of war with the US. Adolf didn't want the US in the war either.

[Baron Von PWN]

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."

Admiral Yamamoto

Yes we have seen the quote, however its authenticity is questionable. Admiral Yamamoto also didn't have as much say over strategic decisions as you might think. In fact He consistently argued against war with the USA. Which might cause us to come to the conclusion that he wasn't the one deciding to go to war.

Of course he wasn't the one that decided to go to war. He was the one to command the Perl Harbor attack. He was following orders. Yes he did argue against going to war. He knew they could only win a few early victories.

So using his quote to justify why Japan didn't invade the mainland doesn't make much sense does it? seeing as he didn't have a large say in the greater strategy of the Japanese empire.

That quote was a high ranked enemies educated opinion of war with the US. Adolf didn't want the US in the war either.

So you believe the reason japan never invaded the US mainland was because US civilians had guns and not the fact the it was already involved in a large land war in Asia?

[AlgyTaylor]

The 2nd amendment was written a long, long time ago when such measures would seem pretty normal throughout the world. IMO it's no longer relevant.

I think in the US it's really been taken to a strange extreme - there's not really any need for the majority of people to own a gun. Think the UK has it about right ... you can own a gun but very few people do as there's enough controls in place that it ensures that, as a rule, the only people who have guns are the ones who need one for their hobby/work AND aren't likely to shoot people.

A few get through the net, of course - gangsters and whatnot - but they're much easier to deal with as owning a gun in their case is illegal, so the police can prosecute them.

Don't have a problem with people owning guns as of such, but it's not something that I'd want and I'd not want to live somewhere like the US, where it's considered normal to own one.