mnduke secret diplomacy [warned]

[MNDuke]

AMEN!

[Snowgun]

lol first off
blah blah
this is becoming ridicolous.

LOL first off, GO TROLL ANOTHER FORUM

You are already on the mod's shitlist, you contribute NOTHING to either argument or evidence, and you constantly lack context..

Snowgun: Were you listening to The Dude's story?
Thornheart: I was bowling.
Snowgun: So you have no frame of reference here, *thornheart*. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie ...

Ok, back to topic:

In reference to some of the other scrutiny:

Such as this line: "
2010-01-16 16:36:25 - MNDuke: IF SO.....NO MORE GAMES FOR ME WITH GREEN.....TOO MUCH SECRET DIPLOMACY"

I was accusing my own friend of secret diplomacy. He likes to set up alliances and make truces with people in games. Via game chat.

Ok. Here is your problem Duke. As much as I've tried in this thread to defend your obvious ignorance of what is considered C&A punishable offenses, you obviously don't understand, so maybe a warning will put stuff into prospective:

Making alliances IN GAME CHAT is OK! And it's not called "secret" diplomacy for obvious reasons. -> Miri has done this

Posting strategic alliances or tactical suggestions on other people's walls about games is NOT OK. -> YOU have done this

I tried to come to your defense that you didn't mean it and did it out of passion in the case above, but unfortunately you've done it before. THIS IS CALLED A SERIAL OFFENSE. It's funny how much this thread is a direct opposite of Chaos's thread.

You have been smite (smitten?) by irony.

[MNDuke]

You continually spin comments to mean something else for the sake of your argument. I never once said that I actually thought he was involved in secret diplomacy. I merely said that I had accused him of it. However, I have only done so jokingly and meant nothing by it.

Honestly, you seriously have nothing better to do than patrol the C&A forum and put your two cents in where it is not warranted. You should heed that old bit of advice, the one about minding your own business. As far as I can tell you want to be a moderator but haven't been given the authority to do so and god forbid you are ever granted with such power. You are prone to making snap judgements and have a hard time keeping an open mind. As someone recently said, "YOU ARE OBTUSE." I think that is the best way to describe you. O.B.T.U.S.E.

As I stated just give me a warning so we can all move on. I have never actually participated in what is considered secret diplomacy. I have made mentions to it on my friend's wall, but it was a long time ago and I would have to plead ignorance. I did not know at the time it was considered secret diplomacy, had I, I would have never made such statements in jest or otherwise. However, I have never followed through on such statements.

Either way this is ridiculous and I'm tired of debating mute points against those who troll the C&A forum. Its as if you are trying to build a resume to become a mod.

FOED:

Snowgun

[Snowgun]

And to think I started out trying to defend you here.

Well, since you have admitted to being a cheater, and have been reduced to attacking me personally instead of arguing your case, I'm glad that I won't have to run into you during a game as well, since that would be awkward!

Thanks for adding me to the foe list, because though you are on mine, I can't guarantee that an errant invite won't suck me into a game with you.

Its as if you are trying to build a resume to become a mod.

ROFLMAO! Have you noticed i'm usually the guy on the OTHER side of the argument? I leave such aspirations up to JefJef.

[MNDuke]

Riddle me this....how is this accusation brought against me any of your business?












Answer......it's not.

[Snowgun]

Riddle me this....how is this accusation brought against me any of your business?
Answer......it's not.

For a guy tired of debating you sure don't quit. But we already know you'll do ANYTHING to win.

The answer is it's everyone's business to take down cheaters. You have thrown in a little yourself....

Have any more evidence or anything useful to say about this case? If not we should lock this....

[MNDuke]

Recall you said this:

"LOL first off, GO TROLL ANOTHER FORUM

You are already on the mod's shitlist, you contribute NOTHING to either argument or evidence, and you constantly lack context.."

The same could be said about you. Heed your own advice for a change. You certainly are great at giving it, but following it is a different story. It's your turn to GO TROLL ANOTHER FORUM. You are solely here to debate semantics with me, which is pointless. It is not adding anything to the argument. Nor are you any sort of authority on C&A claims. Why you should be here and be allowed to put your thoughts into this and others are not is beyond me. Go pick on someone else. Go do something constructive. Is this really what your life has amounted to? Picking apart C&A claims that have nothing to do with you? If so that is truly pathetic and your life must really be lacking substance. Move on. Shove off. Do your own thing. Get a hobby. Build a ship in a bottle perhaps. I hear that's a lot of fun.


Seriously give it a rest. Stop the ridiculousness. Here's your chance to be the bigger person that you are always aiming to be.

[Snowgun]

Cheaters gone wild.


LOOOOOOCK

[THORNHEART]

snowgun...you dont add anything...you just mock people

and bring up something against me....but my point is valid as the mods have said many times keep it on topic.

[MNDuke]

As far as I can tell you want to be a moderator but haven't been given the authority to do so and god forbid you are ever granted with such power.

Case and point:

Have any more evidence or anything useful to say about this case? If not we should lock this....

Cheaters gone wild.


LOOOOOOCK

Let the mods do their job. It isn't for you decide what punishments are necessary or when a thread should be locked. Once again, mind your own business.

[Snowgun]

Damn MN, you are getting pretty torn up about being found out and exposed, your posts are sounding like broken records.

What you have to understand are the differences between facts and opinions:

Fact: You are a cheater with multiple instances of secret diplomacy.

Opinion: You should be punished.
Opinion: This thread should be locked, at the very least to keep thornheart at bay, unless you have any more evidence to present.

All we try to do here is find facts, and then provide opinions. You've certainly provided enough of your own. The mods will sort it out for sure. Don't get scared.

[MNDuke]

Damn MN, you are getting pretty torn up about being found out and exposed, your posts are sounding like broken records.

What you have to understand are the differences between facts and opinions:

Fact: You are a cheater with multiple instances of secret diplomacy.

Opinion: You should be punished.
Opinion: This thread should be locked, at the very least to keep thornheart at bay, unless you have any more evidence to present.

All we try to do here is find facts, and then provide opinions. You've certainly provided enough of your own. The mods will sort it out for sure. Don't get scared.

HAHAHAHAHA. You are the broken record. I am not getting torn up in the slightest. I am just tired of your pettiness and your feeble attempts to prove mute points. You have found 2 instances of what you believe to be secret diplomacy with very lacking evidence to support such claims. I know the difference between facts and opinions. Do you? What facts have you tried to find and present lately. Best I can tell this thread is full of snowgun's opinions and my rebuttals.

Please take a second, step back and locate the last time you provided anything meaningful to this discussion; the last time you brought forth some cold hard evidence to support your allegations that I am a cheater. So far all I have seen are 2 wall postings with not much to back them up. Please Mr. Holmes do provide this evidence and check your opinions at the door.

More advice. People in glass houses should not cast stones.

Why you think you should have any more reason to be here than THORNHEART is beyond me. What gives you the right to dictate what should and should not be done. Who should post and who should not. Why do you insist that you do not want to be a mod and then pretend that you are one. You are not a vigilante. Get a life. Grow up. Mind your fucking business. You could not be more petty.

[Snowgun]

I am not getting torn up in the slightest.

You are losing it man.

More advice. People in glass houses should not cast stones.

Wut?


Throwing out cliche's that have nothing to do with the situation, forgetting I brought NONE of the evidence against you, and having to resort to personal attacks shows you are frothing at the mouth and desperate. Plus you are defending Thornheart posting in C&A? Nuff said!

[MNDuke]

Here you go, this is what you wanted. What you've been driving at the whole time. You ready for it? You should probably be sitting down.

YOU WIN!

Life's too short to argue with the simpletons of the world such as yourself. But as you sit there and revel in your victory, what have you really won? What have you gained? Nothing.

[AAFitz]

Riddle me this....how is this accusation brought against me any of your business?

Answer......it's not.

Actually, it is. Accusations are everyone's business to some degree. Many try to insure other players are kept honest and "help" the mods...though some more than others. If you were communicating on the wall and not in the game it is against the rules...though it really doesnt seem as though the real intent was to cheat...but clearly...you cant communicate on the wall anymore, which im sure you will be warned of....if thats what happened

of course, if you used the wall to talk about the game...all youd really have to do is say I didnt realize it..and wasnt trying to cheat....and say you wont do it again.....

and one more thing...

I am just tired of your pettiness and your feeble attempts to prove mute points.

A mute point is silent. A moot point is meaningless. Saying his point was mute, was moot.

[MNDuke]

I did state earlier:

As I stated just give me a warning so we can all move on. I have never actually participated in what is considered secret diplomacy. I have made mentions to it on my friend's wall, but it was a long time ago and I would have to plead ignorance. I did not know at the time it was considered secret diplomacy, had I, I would have never made such statements in jest or otherwise. However, I have never followed through on such statements.

And thanks for the clarification on moot and mute. I jumped ahead of myself and did not proofread my work.

Actually, it is. Accusations are everyone's business to some degree. Many try to insure other players are kept honest and "help" the mods...though some more than others. If you were communicating on the wall and not in the game it is against the rules...though it really doesnt seem as though the real intent was to cheat...but clearly...you cant communicate on the wall anymore, which im sure you will be warned of....if thats what happened

Yes I understand your point. But there is such things as taking it too far which some people clearly do. They continuously go off topic and pick on anyone who doesn't agree with their opinion. Which, only takes away from the actual complaint and leads everyone astray from what is actually trying to be accomplished. It would be one thing if such opinions were clearly limited to the topic at hand and weren't on the verge of personal attacks. How are negative comments regarding THORNHEART furthering the argument at hand? That's just one example.

Differing opinions are one thing, but when someone personally attacks everyone's opinion because they don't agree they are only furthering everyone away from the real meaning of the C&A thread despite their claims. We don't need a vigilante trolling the C&A forum. That's what the mods are for. I say we let them do their job and sort the threads out instead of attacking everyone and anyone for just filing a complaint even if we don't agree with why it was made in the first place. That is not accomplishing anything, and anyone who can't see that is a damn fool.

[Snowgun]

Yes I understand your point. But there is such things as taking it too far which some people clearly do. They continuously go off topic and pick on anyone who doesn't agree with their opinion. Which, only takes away from the actual complaint and leads everyone astray from what is actually trying to be accomplished. It would be one thing if such opinions were clearly limited to the topic at hand and weren't on the verge of personal attacks. How are negative comments regarding THORNHEART furthering the argument at hand? That's just one example.

Differing opinions are one thing, but when someone personally attacks everyone's opinion because they don't agree they are only furthering everyone away from the real meaning of the C&A thread despite their claims. We don't need a vigilante trolling the C&A forum. That's what the mods are for. I say we let them do their job and sort the threads out instead of attacking everyone and anyone for just filing a complaint even if we don't agree with why it was made in the first place. That is not accomplishing anything, and anyone who can't see that is a damn fool.

Look, Im not sure what thread you are talking about here, but it's ok to disagree with someone's opinion, that's the point. We had a good discussion on the other thread, even though we had differing points of view, but there was no "Picking" on anyone. If you put an opinion into the ring, which includes starting a C&A thread, you have to back it up. I challenged Poo's thread here about you just like I challenged your's about chaos.

As far as thornheart goes, you are new to this forum and you are out of context regarding him and his trolling. You don't know his story, but you started dragging him into the issue as soon as he started supporting you (which he most likely did to rile things up). Just ignore him.

Some people feel they need to make a c&A thread about everything, so they do. Some people (like myself) feel that a lot of these things can be settled elsewhere, so we point out the fact. The mods make the final decision. That's sort of how this forum works. You are new here, and would benefit from looking through about 20 pages of old reports to see how things go. If you felt picked upon, it wasn't personal or meant to be malicious, it was about your opinion. No biggie.

Can we both relax now? Now that fitz is here the post length will just keep increasing. (u know I <3 U fitzy)

[MNDuke]

I think this says it all:

2010-02-09 23:45:37 - Master Fenrir [team]: I foed Snowgun today. I'm tired of reading his posts in C&A. Posting "FAMO" in every thread is unhelpful and annoying.

2010-02-09 23:57:00 - Master Fenrir [team]: What Snowgun doesn't realize is that when people post a complaint in the C&A, they're in a highly irritated state. Typically being the first to respond and blowing them off by telling them "FAMO" only antagonizes them.

2010-02-09 23:58:00 - Master Fenrir [team]: He probably does realize it, unless he lacks all perception skills. In which case, intentionally posting material that you know will cause a negative reaction is the very definition of trolling.

2010-02-09 23:58:30 - Master Fenrir [team]: Which is why I foed him. His C&A posts are unthoughtful and inconsiderate.

[Gold Knight]

I brought NONE of the evidence against you

Not trying to re-light the argument here, but i thought people posted in here to provide evidence or at least insight to the case. You basically just pointed out that you have done neither of these things, so there really isnt a need to post anything else besides these things. The only thing worse than the constant garbage threads being posted in here are the people who feel the need to post their perspective on EVERY case. Please, if you have played or have an affiliation to the accused/accuser, please post your side and it will be reviewed with the rest of the case. But theres no reason to make the mods read through 10 pages of nothing but rambling and spam, because opinions arent going to affect the outcome of the case.

I also have NO evidence of the case, and apoligize to whatever hunter had to read through my and everyone else's post that dont add to this case.

[Snowgun]

I think this says it all:

2010-02-09 23:45:37 - Master Fenrir [team]: I foed Snowgun today. I'm tired of reading his posts in C&A. Posting "FAMO" in every thread is unhelpful and annoying.

2010-02-09 23:57:00 - Master Fenrir [team]: What Snowgun doesn't realize is that when people post a complaint in the C&A, they're in a highly irritated state. Typically being the first to respond and blowing them off by telling them "FAMO" only antagonizes them.

2010-02-09 23:58:00 - Master Fenrir [team]: He probably does realize it, unless he lacks all perception skills. In which case, intentionally posting material that you know will cause a negative reaction is the very definition of trolling.

2010-02-09 23:58:30 - Master Fenrir [team]: Which is why I foed him. His C&A posts are unthoughtful and inconsiderate.

Posting your friend's private discussions now in the thread? You are Unbefuckinglevable. What is wrong with you?

At least he FAMO'ed and didn't cook up needless C&A report...

[Snowgun]

I brought NONE of the evidence against you

Not trying to re-light the argument here, but i thought people posted in here to provide evidence or at least insight to the case. You basically just pointed out that you have done neither of these things, so there really isnt a need to post anything else besides these things. The only thing worse than the constant garbage threads being posted in here are the people who feel the need to post their perspective on EVERY case. Please, if you have played or have an affiliation to the accused/accuser, please post your side and it will be reviewed with the rest of the case. But theres no reason to make the mods read through 10 pages of nothing but rambling and spam, because opinions arent going to affect the outcome of the case.

I also have NO evidence of the case, and apoligize to whatever hunter had to read through my and everyone else's post that dont add to this case.

Good point. I however did try to bring evidence that Miri probably wasn't involved... I apologize however for my part in garbaging up this thread.

because opinions arent going to affect the outcome of the case.

I kinda disagree with you here, there are LOTS of threads where the discussion played a major part. Farming, ratings, ect.


But f*ck this I am done with this thread, it's a disaster.

[MNDuke]

Posting your friend's private discussions now in the thread? You are Unbefuckinglevable. What is wrong with you?

At least he FAMO'ed and didn't cook up needless C&A report...

I asked Fenrir if it would be ok if I could post his comments in this thread and he gave me his blessing. Not to mention, he spoke those words without me even making a mention of you. He came out and said it without your name or this thread even being mentioned. I can post the whole chat if it pleases you.

It just goes to show that I'm not the only one tired of you and your ridiculous nature. Get a real hobby. You may discover that there is more to life than trolling the c&a thread. It's obvious that you are a mod-poser.

But f*ck this I am done with this thread, it's a disaster.

The only reason this thread became a disaster is because you had to put your 2 cents in and get everyone off topic, as usual . If you would have just kept your opinions to yourself instead of distracting everyone from the real point, it would have never gotten to this. Just let the natural process take its course next time and keep your opinion's to yourself unless it's conducive to the case at hand. I'm just calling it like I see it.

I'd really just like for you to think twice before you open your yap. Ask yourself, "Is what I have to say really so important that it has to be said? Is it constructive to the thread or am I just talking to hear myself speak?"

[rutherfoo]

hahaha, this thread was fun to read.

[THORNHEART]

deffinitly kept me unbored for a awhile

[wolfpack0530]

I think this says it all:

2010-02-09 23:45:37 - Master Fenrir [team]: I foed Snowgun today. I'm tired of reading his posts in C&A. Posting "FAMO" in every thread is unhelpful and annoying.

2010-02-09 23:57:00 - Master Fenrir [team]: What Snowgun doesn't realize is that when people post a complaint in the C&A, they're in a highly irritated state. Typically being the first to respond and blowing them off by telling them "FAMO" only antagonizes them.

2010-02-09 23:58:00 - Master Fenrir [team]: He probably does realize it, unless he lacks all perception skills. In which case, intentionally posting material that you know will cause a negative reaction is the very definition of trolling.

2010-02-09 23:58:30 - Master Fenrir [team]: Which is why I foed him. His C&A posts are unthoughtful and inconsiderate.

Posting your friend's private discussions now in the thread? You are Unbefuckinglevable. What is wrong with you?

At least he FAMO'ed and didn't cook up needless C&A report...

Master Fenrir is one of the most respectful and intelligent members of this site. I am gonna foe you just because he did, and i agree with him. Congrats Snowgun, you are the second person to ever make my foe list. You are flaming and baiting in this thread. i cant believe i read 5 pages of this BS.

Duke, the fact that you were wall posting makes me believe that it was venting/ frustratino rather than real secret diplomacy. If someone really wants to make a secret diplomacy, they will do so via PM, and not make a wall post for all to see. UNless they are an idiot. And i know that duke is not an idiot.

Jefjef, has far too much time on her hands to be diggin through wall posts.
AAfitz, the grammar police thing is quite pathetic. maybe it is time to hit mute for a while.

Lets let the mods do their job. if what duke did was wrong, give him a warning, but i know that this guy is not a cheater. Emotional yes, cheater no!!!!!

peace!!