Zombie Mafia - Day Four - Zombies win, Ga7 survives

[ga7]

Ughh I need to reread. Later today. I think Mandy being wrong is our safest bet though.

[Koesen]

Come on, Ga7. In Nagerous' game, you correctly identified two scum members by page two. We're on page 22, so even if this game is twice as complicated, you should by now have sufficient material for 11 lynches

(the above should not be misconstrued as a statement about Ga7's allegiance)

[Serbia]

It official, Ga7 is scum. Submarining French 'person'!

[gimpyThewonder]

I'm not sure if such a role exists, but if it does I would humbly suggest that a player w/ any sort of Zombie Detection capability target those players who were active Day 1 but have since fallen silent. After all zombies traditionally don't talk right. Perhaps the silent ones are not submarining as some might suspect but are in fact zombies and unable to participate in a constructive manner.

[colton24]

Doc protect me tonight. On another note ML has been pretty suspicous and tried to BW me after I claimed watcher on D1 so...Vote ML

[Koesen]

Vote Count

Mountainlion: 4 (Serbia, ???, Mandalorian, Colton)

14 alive, 8 to lynch. Deadline Friday February 12, 10 AM EST / 3 PM GMT.
You have a little over 40 hours left.

[MountainLion]

Doc protect me tonight. On another note ML has been pretty suspicous and tried to BW me after I claimed watcher on D1 so...Vote ML

For the record, I don't think I ever voted you at the time you're thinking of... I did however question your role, and I have a good reason for it...one that I will use if you all intend to waste your time bandwagoning on me.

FOS gimpy for suggesting an excuse for submarining. Although it is a unique thought on this game, it does us no good. In fact it could make a slow-posting game even slower. It almost seems as if everyone is satisfied with the day kill, and is just laying low for night to start.

Funny how ga7 appears with a nudge. Perhaps we should nudge others as well. I was suspicious of Iliad earlier in the game and of all of us he's gone the longest without posting. He hasn't posted since Jan. 25th, that's page 8 people. Also his last post was 5th vote on safariguy just before he was killed.

Vote Iliad

[ga7]

For the record, I don't think I ever voted you at the time you're thinking of... I did however question your role, and I have a good reason for it...one that I will use if you all intend to waste your time bandwagoning on me.

Yes you did.

I just reread everything and can't be bothered to compile a good looking presentation, so here are my notes.


suspicious link: h²/gimpy, fircoal/sf2, serbia
over reactions: mandy (but when doesn't he?), illy
being a pussy: nag, f1fth
being a typo: /
red october: tal, pcm, illy

- weird vote from ML on colton post claim. gf?
- f1fth is scum
- serbia has been even more off than mandy
- i feel it's not very likely for town to have both a vig and a day vig... sk is way more likely
- it makes perfect sense for a day sk to off the vig even though he might be getting lynched. first, there's always a delay from when the kill is sent and the mod posts it, which might have let the cw wagon progressing rather quickly in between; second, in case the vig gets away with it at the end it's a lethal threat left alive.
- one theory about the night is that zombies just work like a cult (there is no way they act as revivers) and we couldn't have noticed anything different, which would suck. another theory is that zombies targeted colton thinking the doc wouldn't buy it. i'm assuming the doc can prevent zombie attacks. either way, in a game of this size i think it's more likely that there's a zombie cult thing and a day sk, period. i really hope it doesn't work exactly like a regular cult because with the amount of activity (which seems to be very inherent to the cult games btw where the scum have no incentive to talk since they just keep on growing, contrary to a classic mafia that generally has to be more active to get the win), we are so fucked.

A bloodcurdling scream...

...rips the silence apart, bringing back rudimentary ancestral memories of fangs in the night. Instinctively, the shivering townies look for a cave, a fire and a blunt object with a pointy end, before they think of determining the identity of the screamer. A quick head count reveals everybody is still there.

-the scene, that is even linked in koesie's scenes list, is not trivial. it might well be that an attack took place during the day instead of the night, and someone got bitten. so far it doesn't look like koesie is going for the regular defending survivors approach from zombie movies so it might be the more insidious one. it is therefore likely that zombies just contaminated someone today.

Pax vobiscum

wtf is this, some coded message to scum buddies? That strikes me as highly suspicious. Or is it a hidden message stating pancakemix is scum, in case you die tonight??

I think the case against captainwalrus is the strongest I have seen so far.. but I want him to explain that message. Also, captain's defence is weak imo, so far all he has said today is he understands why people think he seems scummy and yesterday how he was going to 'ride it out' to survive the day rather than trying to justify himself. Leaping on Serbia's argument then being very jumpy post-colton's claim. Doesn't strike me as a very strong defence

Nag has made some really scummy posts, and some really funny ones, like this one.
Nag could be scum, but I don't feel the case strong enough.

is that due to you being the source of the zombie plague? or perhaps a cult recruiter?

i know your skills are generally better than to let something like that slip but I can't seem to let this sentence go, it nags at my brain. I suggest someone keep an eye on ga7 tonight and see what happens. of course now that i point it out nothing will, so perhaps a random future night.

Unfortunately I know your skills to be as I remembered them when I read this kind of posts. BUUURN
- One thing that just dawned on me is that Mandy might be partially right in that the zombies don't have a leader and spread like an infection, not a cult. Which would correlate well with the Koesie comment about everyone having a chance to win at whatever point. Think Thyphoid Mary in Reinquisition.


Case 1: Day SK Hunt

First off, the Day kill. IMO, the day killer is almost surely NOT a member of a Mafia or a Cult, because those organizations would be happy to see a guy who is not their member lynched, since that means that none of their number is going to be lynched today. Thus, I conclude that we have either a Day Vig or a Day SK (who, being a solo agent, is as eager to catch other scum as any townie). Either way, as long as you are not a 1-shot Vig, I say good work to your Mysterious Shooter. You have enabled us to lynch another person today, and the more people get killed during the Days, the less powerful Mafia's nightkilling ability becomes. If you are indeed a Vig and have based your choice on my accusation of Safari then I apologize for leading you astray as I am sure you would never do to me . if you are a SK, THEN I HOPE I'LL LEAD YOU TO THE GALLOWS AS WELL, YOU SCUMMY, SCUMMY SCUMSTER!

[...]
As for the Safari being town, all I can say is that I believed him to be Scum based on his posts. No offense Safari, you seem like a good, active player, but my you turned my Scumdar on with your posts and I voted for you and pushed for your lynch. If there is a flaw in the logic behind my vote, I would appreciate if someone would point it out to me.

I must say that I agree with Mandy on this as there was a good likelihood that there was a chance to hit scum in that situation.

I repeat, the Town gets better odds if the bullets are flying wildly then it does if Mafia gets to choose the targets. Also, voting someone because you disagree with his view, without even claiming that you believe me to be scum is not a very Townie thing to do. FOS Gimpy

[...]

Your accusation of MLion is interesting (although I admit that I have not fully understood all your reasoning). However, as the previous posters pointed out, Colton is more sacrificable then MLion. Also, give that most of Day 1 discussions were about him, so his lynch will probably tell us more then the lynch of an other player could. Thus: vote Colton

The Day killer doesn't seem anti-killer by killing someone that today was about to be lynched and who you yourself called for to be killed PCM. If they were anti-town, they would've went for a heck of a lot better target than someone being a knucklehead in the game by trying to kill Colton who claimed a protown role. In addition, the daykill gives us an extra week approximately for talking about what is going on in the game. Also too many players are "laying low" right now and need to at least come out and speak especially since we had the CW vig kill to discuss.

I'm starting to believe that the day killer could potentially be a Day SK, who is trying to act semi pro-town in his killings and hence to claim 'day vig' later in the game when in fact he is a third party. I am not convinced that this day killer has acted pro-town in his behaviour at all so far, and I'm surprised by your defence of him LSU considering you used to claim a vig should only kill when they are 99% sure they are hitting the right target. Your defence of this day killer in my eyes is pretty scummy.

I probably should explain the quotes in more detail but f*ck I'm lazy and rusty. Real big suspects are Mandy and LSU for the Fake Day Vig Real Day SK award. I'd vote both if I could.

Case 2: Zombie Hunt

I agree with both of LSU's posts here. What basis do you all have to refute colton's claim? If we wait a day or two, it's likely that someone will investigate him (we have to have more than two investigative roles in a non-vanilla game, and if he's lying, that makes only one we've found so far). In the meantime, we get colton's investigations to either use or catch him as lying scum depending on his alignment. And again, colton has made sudden claims before as town, so his behavior isn't really unusual.

It seems like you guys want to lose more power roles or something. Anyway, I'd vote ML for voting colton AFTER his claim, but from his position it's either him or colton on the chopping block. I'm sure that regardless of his alignment he doesn't want to be lynched day 1, if he's town, going after colton still makes sense. CaptainWalrus, however, has been pursuing the angle that both are likely scum (when I don't really suspect that either are) when he doesn't even have a stake in this. Seems scummy to me, so Unvote Vote CW

Hmm, I'm not sure what this is, but I know it bodes ill for town. I take it to mean that it is a role with a delayed reaction (in which case we may see a death very soon) or it was some scum conversion going on. The latter case is dire indeed... I had figured that zombies recruited instead of killed, but this may confirm it.

F1fth has been a pussy all game, barely voting, never making strong stands, just making vague comments about justice and love, and I think he might have a yeast infection. Seriously, at this point I believe F1fth to be the most likely zombie. Please read again his quotes with that frame of mind.

In summary my top suspects are Mandy & LSU for day SK, and F1fth for zombie. I'd rather lynch a zombie than a SK, as I'm not 100% sure which one it is and they might come in handy now we lost the vig. ML looks a bit lost and rusty but I find it hard to believe he would be scum here.

Vote F1fth

[colton24]

You have some agreeable points there. With that I will unvote

vote F1lth

[Serbia]

You have some agreeable points there. With that I will unvote

vote F1lth

And are you, colton, able to express, in your own words, what those "agreeable points" may be? Or is this a bandwagon vote?

[ga7]

Oh I just found another note:
- When F1fth comes up scum, lynch Serbia

[gimpyThewonder]

Doc protect me tonight. On another note ML has been pretty suspicous and tried to BW me after I claimed watcher on D1 so...Vote ML

For the record, I don't think I ever voted you at the time you're thinking of... I did however question your role, and I have a good reason for it...one that I will use if you all intend to waste your time bandwagoning on me.

FOS gimpy for suggesting an excuse for submarining. Although it is a unique thought on this game, it does us no good. In fact it could make a slow-posting game even slower. It almost seems as if everyone is satisfied with the day kill, and is just laying low for night to start.

Funny how ga7 appears with a nudge. Perhaps we should nudge others as well. I was suspicious of Iliad earlier in the game and of all of us he's gone the longest without posting. He hasn't posted since Jan. 25th, that's page 8 people. Also his last post was 5th vote on safariguy just before he was killed.

Vote Iliad

ML did you read what I wrote? I'm basically saying that submarining could be a definitive sign of zombie activity. How is that providing an excuse for them??? it's pointing out that they are even more likely scum.

[Koesen]

Vote Count

Mountainlion: 3 (Serbia, ???, Mandalorian)
Iliad: 1 (Mountainlion)
F1fth: 2 (Ga7, Colton)

14 alive, 8 to lynch. Deadline Friday February 12, 10 AM EST / 3 PM GMT.
37 hours and counting.

By the way, I like the last couple of posts. Without saying anything about how truthful and accurate they may or may not be, this is the kind of input that gets games going

[safariguy5]

Goddamn ga7, that is pretty comprehensive. Here's what I worry about though. Can the zombie kill during the night? If it's a conversion/delayed conversion thing, then I agree, that is more important than getting the SK. If it can't then the SK is more important.

For now, I will agree that the zombie is a greater threat because of possible recruiting ability.

Also, Iliad needs to post.
FOS Iliad

vote f1fth

[F1fth]

I will gladly take any investigations if you wish. Being a pussy, eh? Well, those are strong words so I suppose I should defend myself.

1. I defended Colton -- yes, I do this in every game because everyone bandwagons for his moronicly suspicious behavior (e.g. his tendency to hop on a bandwagon whenever someone writes a long post and only say "OMG U SAY GUD THINGS," as demonstrated above nicely). As suspicious as that would be for most people, experience has shown that colton behaves this way even (especially?) when he's town. And pardon my metagaming, but you can ask other people -- it's true that I often defend colton from day 1 bandwagons.

2. You're saying I never took a stand on anything. The above defending of colton is just one example of something I took a stand on, as well as pointing out that nag and safari were behaving suspiciously (even you admitted Nag looks suspicious but just waved you hand, wtf is up with that?). Anyway, it's extremely ironic that you call me a pussy, considering my posts in the game far outnumber yours and I'd say I've said much more in terms of content as well, but that's just an opinion.

ga7 votes this game:
1 joke vote on Serbia
1 bandwagon vote on H2SY

Taken many stands yourself, eh? Before you made this huge wall of text (and I'm flattered that you make such a big post just to vote little ol' me btw ), you hadn't said really much of substance. At least I can say I've done that.

@safari, you're just mad 'cause I called you scummy. His argument was literally, and let me emphasize that, literally that I was a pussy and therefore scum and I'm surprised at your bandwagon vote.

[F1fth]

EBWOP: not surprised at your bandwagon vote.

[ga7]

I don't deny I have been less active than you overall in this game, but that is for 2 reasons: I submarined day 1 on purpose and I was away without net access for most of the current day.
I don't mean to be offensive or anything with this, I did mean you were being strongly consensual in your posts so far and reminding me of politicians' demagogy. Which is a very good scum tactic IMO. I really don't think this is your general play style, I think you were purposely trying to not make waves.
Defending Coltong day 1 is absolutely meaningless to me. There are always people to defend the noob they feel will be unfairly bandwagonned. Scum can perfectly use it if they know the noob is town. I don't even think Colton blundered much, besides the bandwagonning. Then your argument against Nag was quite weak, you didn't bother making much of a case and just FOSed him and Safari, without any follow up. It's quite obvious with some distance that you didn't care about the case, just threw it for good measure. Your only strong vote was on CW, which doesn't exactly speak in your favor.
Anyway I didn't mean to offend you by calling you a pussy, if that makes sense, it's just a term for a behavior that striked me when I reread. The fact you feel compelled to OMGUS argue about me either means you were geniunely offended, in which case I'm truly sorry as it was just an humourous bad taste way for me to point fingers, or it's just that I'm spot on and you don't really have a defense. Either way, your response doesn't make me change my mind.
All in all, I feel your attempt at discarding the whole thing quite weak as even if it's against you it should be obvious that this argument is not as baseless as you'd like to make it look.

[MountainLion]

For the record, I don't think I ever voted you at the time you're thinking of... I did however question your role, and I have a good reason for it...one that I will use if you all intend to waste your time bandwagoning on me.

Yes you did.

Okay I did, either way I have my reasons for questioning and/or voting colton at the time.

FOS gimpy for suggesting an excuse for submarining. Although it is a unique thought on this game, it does us no good. In fact it could make a slow-posting game even slower. It almost seems as if everyone is satisfied with the day kill, and is just laying low for night to start.

ML did you read what I wrote? I'm basically saying that submarining could be a definitive sign of zombie activity. How is that providing an excuse for them??? it's pointing out that they are even more likely scum.

You're right. I'm an idiot. For some reason I saw it in a completely different way.

[safariguy5]

I will gladly take any investigations if you wish. Being a pussy, eh? Well, those are strong words so I suppose I should defend myself.

1. I defended Colton -- yes, I do this in every game because everyone bandwagons for his moronicly suspicious behavior (e.g. his tendency to hop on a bandwagon whenever someone writes a long post and only say "OMG U SAY GUD THINGS," as demonstrated above nicely). As suspicious as that would be for most people, experience has shown that colton behaves this way even (especially?) when he's town. And pardon my metagaming, but you can ask other people -- it's true that I often defend colton from day 1 bandwagons.

2. You're saying I never took a stand on anything. The above defending of colton is just one example of something I took a stand on, as well as pointing out that nag and safari were behaving suspiciously (even you admitted Nag looks suspicious but just waved you hand, wtf is up with that?). Anyway, it's extremely ironic that you call me a pussy, considering my posts in the game far outnumber yours and I'd say I've said much more in terms of content as well, but that's just an opinion.

ga7 votes this game:
1 joke vote on Serbia
1 bandwagon vote on H2SY

Taken many stands yourself, eh? Before you made this huge wall of text (and I'm flattered that you make such a big post just to vote little ol' me btw ), you hadn't said really much of substance. At least I can say I've done that.

@safari, you're just mad 'cause I called you scummy. His argument was literally, and let me emphasize that, literally that I was a pussy and therefore scum and I'm surprised at your bandwagon vote.

So you're basically saying that your entire argument for me being scummy was accusing colton of being a bad player. Here's my logic though. If he were to be an investigative role, which he claims to be, he obviously hasn't been doing too much to help town. With all courtesy to colton, the invetigation of serbia came waaaaay out of left field. I personally thought an investigation of mandy or ML would have made more sense. Instead, Serbia?
There's a reason why I go for him besides his sometimes irrational posting. Even if he had a power role, he doesn't have a good sense of who to use it on. In essence, he's not good at choosing targets. In comparison to a player who would know how to use their role, I would gladly pick colton as the day 1 random lynch.

[pancakemix]

I'm not sure if such a role exists, but if it does I would humbly suggest that a player w/ any sort of Zombie Detection capability target those players who were active Day 1 but have since fallen silent. After all zombies traditionally don't talk right. Perhaps the silent ones are not submarining as some might suspect but are in fact zombies and unable to participate in a constructive manner.

Good point, albeit a little far-fetched. I suppose it's possible (even likely) that the zombies are submarining, but almost certainly not part of the role, especially considering that the mod is pushing for activity.

I don't mean to be offensive or anything with this, but you're a pussy

Brilliant argument. You're a master of words. That said, I'm not sold. I think the argument against ML is more compelling but not terribly good either, so if you can win me over by Thursday evening, my votes yours. If not, I'll vote for safari, because his argument for agreeing with you was "that's comprehensive" and his rebuttal to F1fth's stance on defend colton because he's a bad player was "yes he is, and he's a good day 1 lynch, too.".

MOD, could you prod Iliad please if you haven't already?

[Koesen]

Vote Count

Mountainlion: 3 (Serbia, ???, Mandalorian)
Iliad: 1 (Mountainlion)
F1fth: 3 (Ga7, Colton, Safariguy)
Safariguy: 1 (Pancakemix)

14 alive, 8 to lynch. Deadline Friday February 12, 10 AM EST / 3 PM GMT.
26 hours and counting.

Iliad has been prodded, has opened his prod and will hopefully show up soon.

[F1fth]

I'm not sure if such a role exists, but if it does I would humbly suggest that a player w/ any sort of Zombie Detection capability target those players who were active Day 1 but have since fallen silent. After all zombies traditionally don't talk right. Perhaps the silent ones are not submarining as some might suspect but are in fact zombies and unable to participate in a constructive manner.

Good point, albeit a little far-fetched. I suppose it's possible (even likely) that the zombies are submarining, but almost certainly not part of the role, especially considering that the mod is pushing for activity.

I don't mean to be offensive or anything with this, but you're a pussy

Brilliant argument. You're a master of words. That said, I'm not sold. I think the argument against ML is more compelling but not terribly good either, so if you can win me over by Thursday evening, my votes yours. If not, I'll vote for safari, because his argument for agreeing with you was "that's comprehensive" and his rebuttal to F1fth's stance on defend colton because he's a bad player was "yes he is, and he's a good day 1 lynch, too.".

MOD, could you prod Iliad please if you haven't already?

Yeah, that was all I needed to see. Vote Safari. Killing the watcher if he's a bad player is still killing the watcher. You're defending going after someone because "we don't lose a very good player if he/she turns out town," which is horrible logic in this game (for town anyway). We are trying to catch scum so vote for the people most likely to be scum. The fact that you're not willing to concede the point suggests an ulterior motive to me.

@ga7 - Please tell me where I made an OMGUS. I only pointed out an inconsistency between what you were accusing me of and your own actions.

And also explain to me how I'm still a pussy (I know you meant no offense, and none taken) despite me pointing out specific examples of my taking a stand on an issue. You seem to have brushed them aside as "too weak." I'm not sure what that even means, however I assure you that I'm of the "ask questions first, bandwagon later" mindset, and not the "bandwagon everything I vaguely suspect" (patented by Mandy ). And yes, I'll admit that the case against me isn't completely baseless -- fact is, any of us could be scum, including me -- I say we have better options in safari and ML at the time because even if I was being a pussy (which I absolutely don't think I was), that still doesn't make me scum.

[safariguy5]

How do we even know he's the watcher? He basically claimed that, nobody counterclaimed, and gave no information on the next day? For all we know, he could be scum and investigated Serbia his scumbuddy to cover his tracks. In fact, I think it's more convincing to me than this f1fth stuff.

unvote
vote colton

[Koesen]

Vote Count

Mountainlion: 3 (Serbia, ???, Mandalorian)
Iliad: 1 (Mountainlion)
F1fth: 2 (Ga7, Colton)
Safariguy: 2 (Pancakemix, F1fth)
Colton: 1 (Safariguy)

14 alive, 8 to lynch. Deadline Friday February 12, 10 AM EST / 3 PM GMT.
19 hours and counting.

19 hours to the deadline and the guy who is in most danger is at lynch-5. You guys like to keep thing uncertain right until the very end, don't you?

[ga7]

Ok, as much as I'd like to keep on my F1fth case, I'm gonna bargain as it's only Day 2 because this Safari squirming is looking like a whole other level of scumminess. I hope it proves me wrong

Unvote Vote Safari