Multi/Secret alliance Senken-Horoo [blocked]es

[Tzaha]

Accused:
Senken
Horoo

The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
Conducting Secret Diplomacy


Game number(s):

Game 6474647
Game 6496672
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Comments:
I noticed senken and Horoo are playing without attacking each other, and do not fortify the borders with each other. They only occasionally attack each other if losing one territory is useful for the other player. They rather work together on eliminating others, like in a double game, when it's just a standard game.
Game 6474647 is still being played but it should be susepnded, in my opinion, for breaking the rules. When Senken clearly had an enormous advantage Horoo just supported him, and kept attacking other players. I noticed they do not bombard each otehr and do not fortify the borders with each other.
The same happened in game 6496672 where, anyway, another player managed to get the upper hand. But I noticed that somethign strange was happening in the beginning as their common strategy allowed them to grow very fast.

They clearly know each other well or are the same person as they often play in doubles, like in games 6404896, 6469771, 6432145. They are also both from Canada. If they are not the same person they are friends at best, and play in a non-correct way. I think the situation should be corrected...they can play doubles that way, but they cannot play singles together and have that huge advantage.
Tzaha

[Witt13]

I think we can rule out the two of them being multis:

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2010-02-28 23:09:40 - Incrementing game to round 14
2010-02-28 23:09:45 - senken received 2 troops for holding ?
2010-02-28 23:09:45 - senken received 8 troops for holding ?
2010-02-28 23:09:45 - senken received 10 troops for holding ?
2010-02-28 23:09:45 - senken received 5 troops for holding ?
2010-02-28 23:09:45 - senken received 9 troops for 27 regions
2010-02-28 23:09:50 - horoo received 10 troops for holding ?
2010-02-28 23:09:50 - horoo received 4 troops for 14 regions
2010-02-28 23:09:58 - horoo deployed 14 troops on ?
2010-02-28 23:09:59 - senken deployed 10 troops on ?
2010-02-28 23:10:03 - horoo assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from muzico
2010-02-28 23:10:15 - horoo assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from muzico
2010-02-28 23:10:18 - senken deployed 24 troops on ?
2010-02-28 23:10:27 - horoo assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from muzico
2010-02-28 23:10:29 - senken assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Tzaha
2010-02-28 23:10:40 - horoo assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from muzico
2010-02-28 23:10:51 - senken assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Tzaha
2010-02-28 23:11:00 - senken assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Tzaha
2010-02-28 23:11:06 - horoo assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from muzico
2010-02-28 23:11:14 - horoo assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from muzico
2010-02-28 23:11:14 - senken assaulted ? from ? and conquered it from Tzaha

However, secret diplomacy is a lot tougher to discern... But in my opinion, they have to know each other... 11/19 of Horoo's games and 11/24 of Senken's games have been in the same game (whether it be doubles or standard).

[BADPAT]

i second this. Something is not right with those two.

Username: horoo
Games: 16 completed

Username: senken
Games: 20 completed

11 out of his 16 game horoo played was also joined by senken. They are either fakes or are related to eachother. Their gameplay in to many games looks like there is a secret alliance.

[Tzaha]

I agree with PAT and I see other players agree too,

I know that secret diplomacy is tougher to detect. Anyway please consider that:
1-they do not attack each other even when one is the power player
2-they do not break each other bonus by bombardment even when the have a clear and easy opportunity
3-they do not post messages to each other, even when they clearly play in alliance
4-they do not fortify their mutual borders. They consistently used this strategy of protecting their borders against others but not against each other in other games too. Of course they can use these armies to kill the other players.

I think these are basically all the points that show the presence of a secret alliance. In fact there is very little you can do more than that.

[Hildy16]

The game 6744647 is definitely not right. They are not attacking each other at all & own the one half of the map.... Not even bombarding each other to break bonuses.... VERY STRANGE!

[Hildy16]

Just a quick review of that gamelog shows they have been taking turns 7 times out of 15 rounds. Senken has taken a total of 7 territories from hooroo & hooroo has taken 4 from Senken..... This is definitely not right

[Hildy16]

This game should be suspended

[Hildy16]

Too late game over.... No repercussions for this?

[Tzaha]

no idea...I think the moderators need some time to consider the thing.
Let's see. In any case I hope they do something because playing with this 2 guys kills everybody else's fun.
... I think they should be busted or banned: they really played it nasty. Never seen anything like that.

[Hildy16]

I added them to foe list so I shouldn't have to worry about them anymore, although would like to find a game w/ them & have 4 guys gang up on them to give them a taste of their own medicine!!! LOL

[Evil Semp]

Too late game over.... No repercussions for this?

Sometimes it takes a little longer to get to some of the reports, and secret diplomacy reports take a little more time looking at the game logs. So please have a little more patience. I am looking into this.

[Tzaha]

Please notice that also in game 6529345, currently in progress, they are not attacking each other and they are building up from this.
They gang up against the others and then divide the game between themselves, with no alliance visible to others. Please do something: this spoils the fun for everybody.

[Evil Semp]

First senden and horoo are CLEARED of being multi's.

Second after going through their singles games it does look like they are working together. Senken and Horoo are warned and blocked from playing each other. The current games will not be affected by this.

[Tzaha]

Thank you very much to the moderator for the quick action.
If any doubts remain, you can easily see in game 6429438 that they eliminate all others, and then, with no truce declared on the chat log, they spend a turn without attacking each other and building up armies. I had NEVER seen anything like this!
Sad that people try to do this...it ruins the game for everybody else, and maybe also for them.
Thank you everybody for helping clear this!