Evolution vs Creation-Comparing each View

[PLAYER57832]

... I thought this was rather interesting.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scien ... 83861.html

My Chinese professor assured us all that "of course" human beings originated in China. I guess science is just now catching up.

[jonesthecurl]

Well, I grew up in Basildon, in the (British) Essex, and I'm convinced that the human race must have originated there. I have two proofs:

(1) Many of my closest friends when I was growing up do not seem to have evolved as far as most of the race. Probably the more advanced specimens got out.
(2) If humans didn't originate there, it means that at some point someone must have deliberately moved there, and that is just too far-fetched.

[AlgyTaylor]

Well, I grew up in Basildon, in the (British) Essex, and I'm convinced that the human race must have originated there. I have two proofs:

(1) Many of my closest friends when I was growing up do not seem to have evolved as far as most of the race. Probably the more advanced specimens got out.
(2) If humans didn't originate there, it means that at some point someone must have deliberately moved there, and that is just too far-fetched.

[Rustovitch]

Well, I grew up in Basildon, in the (British) Essex, and I'm convinced that the human race must have originated there. I have two proofs:

Oh sweet Jesus you poor sod...that place is the asshole of essex!

[deceangli]

Surely Ross Kemp is the Asshole of Essex

[Neoteny]

[PLAYER57832]

Here it is, Lionz

[LikeYestrdaysJam]

You cant say stuff like that, because its just not verifiable.

The argument between creationism and evolution is a religious one. While the bible does allow for both explanations to coincide, if you want to believe God is all powerful then you have to assume he could do anything. Such as placing scientific evidence within the rules he's created to make us believe things are billions of years old when they could have just been there for a few minutes.

If God is all powerful then nothing is verifiable, he could change everything from one moment to the next without anyone knowing any different.

Now... If you want to argue from the standpoint that God is not all powerful then creationism suffers an instant loss and you can't have an argument to begin with.

Exactly you are exactly right. Now i thoroughly believe there is no God, there just isnt any facts or even theories that support him all there is is faith, Can you please give me one shred of eveidence or theory besides faith in his "all powerful nature" to support god and if you cant there is no debate, the intelligent ones win.

[john9blue]

if you cant there is no debate, the intelligent ones win.

You mean the agnostics?

[jonesthecurl]

How ould an agnostic know if he'd won?

[PLAYER57832]

You cant say stuff like that, because its just not verifiable.

The argument between creationism and evolution is a religious one. While the bible does allow for both explanations to coincide, if you want to believe God is all powerful then you have to assume he could do anything. Such as placing scientific evidence within the rules he's created to make us believe things are billions of years old when they could have just been there for a few minutes.

If God is all powerful then nothing is verifiable, he could change everything from one moment to the next without anyone knowing any different.

Now... If you want to argue from the standpoint that God is not all powerful then creationism suffers an instant loss and you can't have an argument to begin with.

Exactly you are exactly right. Now i thoroughly believe there is no God, there just isnt any facts or even theories that support him all there is is faith, Can you please give me one shred of eveidence or theory besides faith in his "all powerful nature" to support god and if you cant there is no debate, the intelligent ones win.

Coleman-- you are absolutely correct. God could have done anything. He could have placed evidence of an old earth here. However, the young earth creationist argument is that evidence does not exist or is misunderstood. Also, their argument is that the Bible does NOT allow for an old creation. Thus the discussion.

Likeyesterday-- if you wish to ignore faith as a viable argument, then you ignore much of what made science what it is. Faith is not the endpoint of science, it is certainly not proof. Faith is very much a beginning point. Few scientists would have spent the time, energy, even risked their lives for science were they not of the firm belief those efforts would bear fruit. The line comes in proof , testing, and verification. If it is not verified, it cannot be accepted as proof within science. However, only an idiot denies that there is far more out there than we can possibly understand. So, most real scientists very much do meld their facts with beliefs. Denying God is no less a belief than belief in God.

[tzor]

How ould an agnostic know if he'd won?

How can anyone know if they have "won?"

And really, is science about winning?

At the very least when someone says "I don't know" they are generally guarenteed to be correct.

[jonesthecurl]

How ould an agnostic know if he'd won?

How can anyone know if they have "won?"

And really, is science about winning?

At the very least when someone says "I don't know" they are generally guarenteed to be correct.

Are you sure?

[Lionz]

LYJ,

You want evidence for Yah?

Is there not love that is? What about survival of the fittest would explain someone from the States trying to send an anonymous monetary donation to strangers in Africa? Has that not occured?

Is there not something called Bode's Law that is? Is there not a distance relationship between bodies in the solar system that suggests planets were placed in a certain way by Someone intelligent?

Is there not a lack of observed abiogenesis that is? Should we assume spontaneous generation has occured?

Is there not fulfilled prophecy that is? Did Daniel not prophetically predict rising and falling of a number of empires? Is there not prophecy concerning Yahushua (sp?) that's older than Mary and that has to do with Name and family line and place of birth and places of growing up and being betrayed for a certain amount of money and being betrayed by a friend and being abandoned by friends and way of death and timing of death and having garments parted and being offered vinegar and sky being darkened during day and being resurrected and timing between death and resurrection and more?

Are there not sexual organs that are? Would RNA transcription errors at individual levels explain penises and vaginas? Maybe it seems as though they were made for eachother or at least one for the other. Was there a first of each that happened to come about at about same moment in time and they happened to meet up? Would that not be evidence for a Creator? Did more than one of each come to be at about the same moment in time and two or more of them met up after that? Would that not be even more evidence for a Creator? Were there individuals with male organs and female organs who later evolved offspring with one or the other? Is there anything in the fossil record that suggests that's the case?

Are there not personal testimonies concerning individuals claiming to have seen and heard spirits that is?

Are there not eyeballs that are? What are the odds that light sensitive photon recepting forerunning pigments happened to appear in a general area where noses and mouths and ears would later branch from?

Is there not evidence for there being anti-Him secret societies that ironically is? What do you know about freemasonry? It's quite related to goat images and upside down stars in pentagons and one or more degree system and also called the Craft perhaps. What does it not have in common with witchcraft and how many so called presidents and supreme court justices and astronauts have there been who have not been masons? Seen an upside down star like image in streets north of the whitehouse pointing at the whitehouse or a giant obelisk south of the whitehouse? Know what the so called statue of liberty represents? Seen novus ordo seclorum on the back of one dollar bills? I might not be a fan of Notre Dame or so called Catholicism, but is this not a link to a Notre Dame site with a Latin translator that has that translated regardless of what the History channel says and does not say?

http://catholic.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin ... o+seclorum

Does Novus Ordo Seclorum not mean New Secular World Order or at least something like that? Are we living in one? Can you not even get images that point to M and A and S and O and N by placing masonic square and compass images over dollar bill pyramids and turning one dollar bill pyramids into six pointed stars?

2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against YHWH, and against his anointed, saying,

2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: YHWH shall have them in derision.

Is there not evidence for mass demonic possession having occured that ironically is? You might want to search Loudun demonic possession in a search engine.

Is there not symbiosis that is? Are there not sophisticated relationships among diverse creatures that show underlying intelligent design and forethought at work? Does fungi not provide vital protection and moisture to algae and does algae not nourish fungi with photosynthetic nutrients? And what does pollination not help keep alive? Do you theorize that there's no plant on earth that both carries on with the help of pollination and that existed before pollinating insects?

And were there not followers of Yahushua (sp?) who saw Him after dying and who were later martyred that are? Were there followers of Him who had mass hallucinations of seeing Him perform miracles and of seeing Him resurrected who were later being martyred because of their faith?

And are there not laws of thermodynamics that are? If entropy decreased on earth without something on earth capable on converting sunlight into usable energy, then what happened?

NOTE: It's not 2009 now and I'm misquoting in here possibly : )

[jonesthecurl]

You're repeating yourself to the point of tedium.

[Lionz]

You lurk conquerclub forums more than most maybe. : )

Who has visited a 20th page of an evidence for Him thread? LYJ just joined a bit ago?

[tzor]

How ould an agnostic know if he'd won?

How can anyone know if they have "won?"

And really, is science about winning?

At the very least when someone says "I don't know" they are generally guarenteed to be correct.

Are you sure?

I don't know (which is absolutely correct ... does that mean I win?)

[jonesthecurl]

I'm not convinced you're sure you don't know. In which case you lose. I think.

[PLAYER57832]

You lurk conquerclub forums more than most maybe. : )

Who has visited a 20th page of an evidence for Him thread? LYJ just joined a bit ago?

So, you pop into a thread you have clearly not read to lecture someone else on not reading another thread?

[Lionz]

I was not lecturing LYJ or Jones about not reading a thread by any means perhaps... Jones rightly suggested I have posted stuff more than once maybe, but maybe Jones has checked out more on conquer club forums than LYJ.

[Neoteny]

I sort of feel silly starting a new thread on this. And I'm always up for a reason to bump this thread. Anyhow, check this out. It's an article on the color of microraptor's (an animal discussed previously in this thread) feathers.

http://m.sciencemag.org/content/335/6073/1215.full

People have let their imaginations run wild when it came to dino colors, but thanks to some of the characteristics of feathers, this crew figures microraptor had bluish-black iridescent feathers like a crow.

Awesome!

[john9blue]

we need a subscription to view that article.



yes, i am indeed suggesting that you give us all subscriptions.

[Neoteny]

we need a subscription to view that article.



yes, i am indeed suggesting that you give us all subscriptions.

Fack. I forget that the university internets do that for me. Here's a blag:

http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/dinosau ... -dinosaur/

[PLAYER57832]

Great link! Thanks.

[notyou2]

Very interesting. Do you think the one Christ road was of this type?