Whats Up With America?!?

[Trephining]

Honibaz is whipping ass. Nice.

[Snorri1234]

Wtf???? Why am i even responding to this? I guess i'm just a mean guy and so enjoy pointing out your stoopitness."Temporary abuses of power"??? Not one of the examples i brought up were temporary - all are still in place - are you a complete idiot?

Let's start with the denial of secession. Could you possibly explain howthefuck that was temporary? The southern states were conquered and forced to remain part of the Union. Howthefuck can you suggest that this was temporary?

The "temporary measures of the Reagan administration are still in place - they can still seize and auction off any property connected with drugs - before you are tried and proven guilty in a cout of law.

The "temporary measures" of the Nixon administration are still in place - only the postal workers stood up to that one and fought it to the Supreme Court. At this time everyone but postal workers may be arbitrarily forced to take a piss test and lose their jobs if they refuse to do so or if the results show that you're guilty of the heinous crime of smoking pot.

The "Patriot Act" is still in place. Obama has done nothing to rescind it. You can still be arrested and held without due process.

What's to stop them from suddenly demanding that all guns be turned in like they did with the gold under FDR?


Honibaz

Well..I'm saying that it's highly unlikely it will happen. the War on Drugs and the War on terrorism and the unconstitutional acts associated with them are indeed fucked up and cause for worry, but what you're saying is that it's possible that the US government will suddenly take away the right of privacy for everyone. like, they will wiretap every house and put cameras everywhere.

What you are saying is that criminals being not allowed to own guns is the same as nobody being allowed to own guns.

Do I think the government will try to take more guns away and place more restrictions on ownership? Of course, they have already tried with the failed assaultweapons ban and numerous other ones.

Do I think they will take away all guns? No, that shit isn't even the case over here in our very anti-gun culture. I can own a gun if I want to, not that it isn't hard to get one.

[Woodruff]

I understand that. Yet it is entirely irrelevant to the point we are discussing (IF you are going to try to honestly discuss it, that is).

It's the point I'm discussing. (and if you didn't realize, I set the topics of discussion around here!)

Which is, I'm sure, why you dishonestly removed everything preceding my statement.

[Trephining]

First they came for the health insurance companies, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a health insurance company.

Next they came for the bondholders of auto companies, and i didn't speak up because I wasn't a bondholder of an auto company.

Next they came for the gun owners, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a gun owner.

Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.

[Symmetry]

I'm a redneck gun lover and a tree hugging hippy - does that mean i'm schizophrenic?

Ambidextrous?


Multifaceted Honibaz

It means, fairly typically, that you have no idea what the word "schizophrenic" means.

Oh niggaplease! Are you that stuck on yourself and your "i'msomuchsmarterthaneverybodyelse" pseudointellectual posturing? I'm well aware of the difference between multiple personality disorder and dementia praecox, now referred to as "schizophrenia", which is Latin for "split mind". Split mind - get it?

It was a joke, you ridiculous strutting poseur.


Honibaz

Sorry, caught this uninformed reply a little late, and couldn't resist:

1) Greek. Not Latin, but a good try.

2) It still isn't Greek, it's a word that draws on Greek roots. But that's me being pedantic.

3) Schizophrenia is not the same as premature dementia (Dementia Praecox).

4) Fairly typically, you've shown that you have no idea what "schizophrenia" means.

I've got to be honest, I thought you'd only misunderstood on fairly common terms. In your reply you've added linguistic and clinical misunderstandings to your list.

[Juan_Bottom]

I'm with you Jay. Saying that the United States Government will always permanently and forever fight for it's people against (successfully from both within and outside) tyranny goes exactly against everything history has ever taught us. What even recent history has taught us.

I think you guys are missing the point. When the US government would do things that would be classified as tyranny it would almost always be with the support of the populace. That's what has happened in most cases throughout history.

You need the support of the people.

I'm just gonna stick with the American Revolution here.

America was founded by the few standing up against the many. I've read that the Active American Rebels made up only around 20% of the population and counting all of those supporting the new nation we still numbered less than 50% of the population.
The Tyranny was supported by the people, and the few had to fight for the rights of every man.

I've got to be honest, I thought you'd only misunderstood on fairly common terms. In your reply you've added linguistic and clinical misunderstandings to your list.

Congrats on that - you totally tore down the man. How he will ever recover from that blow I don't know. If you hurry and check all his posts you might find a speeling error too. He'll prolly get to them before you do though...

[jay_a2j]

Which is, I'm sure, why you dishonestly removed everything preceding my statement.

Dude, you are way too paranoid. Is that a Vulcan thing? If I don't include ALL your drivel, it's because I have deemed it irrelevant. But anyone can still go back to your post and read the entire thing. It's not dishonesty, that's what YOU do crying about dishonesty all the time.

[thegreekdog]

Which is, I'm sure, why you dishonestly removed everything preceding my statement.

Dude, you are way too paranoid. Is that a Volcan thing? If I don't include ALL your drivel, it's because I have deemed it irrelevant. But anyone can still go back to your post and read the entire thing. It's not dishonesty, that's what YOU do crying about dishonesty all the time.

Uh oh. You spelled Vulcan wrong. I shudder to think what Woodruff will do to you now!

[jay_a2j]

Which is, I'm sure, why you dishonestly removed everything preceding my statement.

Dude, you are way too paranoid. Is that a Volcan thing? If I don't include ALL your drivel, it's because I have deemed it irrelevant. But anyone can still go back to your post and read the entire thing. It's not dishonesty, that's what YOU do crying about dishonesty all the time.

Uh oh. You spelled Vulcan wrong. I shudder to think what Woodruff will do to you now!

Fixed. Not a Trekkie.

[b.k. barunt]

I'm a redneck gun lover and a tree hugging hippy - does that mean i'm schizophrenic?

Ambidextrous?


Multifaceted Honibaz

It means, fairly typically, that you have no idea what the word "schizophrenic" means.

Oh niggaplease! Are you that stuck on yourself and your "i'msomuchsmarterthaneverybodyelse" pseudointellectual posturing? I'm well aware of the difference between multiple personality disorder and dementia praecox, now referred to as "schizophrenia", which is Latin for "split mind". Split mind - get it?

It was a joke, you ridiculous strutting poseur.


Honibaz

Sorry, caught this uninformed reply a little late, and couldn't resist:

1) Greek. Not Latin, but a good try.

2) It still isn't Greek, it's a word that draws on Greek roots. But that's me being pedantic.

3) Schizophrenia is not the same as premature dementia (Dementia Praecox).

4) Fairly typically, you've shown that you have no idea what "schizophrenia" means.

I've got to be honest, I thought you'd only misunderstood on fairly common terms. In your reply you've added linguistic and clinical misunderstandings to your list.

Couldn't resist what? Making a complete ass of yourself?

I just checked it out in the dictionary to make sure i wasn't having a brain fart or too much pot. "Schizophrenia" is New Latin for split (schizo) mind (phrenia). I'm not "pedantic" (otherwise referred to as "asinine") enough to give a good f*ck whether it "draws on Greek roots" or not. It's a Latin word, not a Greek one.

I had a few psychology classes while working on my degree and schizophrenia always interested me, so i remember enough to recognize the fact that you are full of shit. I've also studied Greek, so don't try your fast and loose juggling of the facts with me there. Another interesting nugget that you can also find in the dictionary is the fact that the former name of schizophrenia is dementia praecox. Anymore turdlets of ignorance and/or disinformation that you'd like to share?

Maybe you'd like to redefine "reality" for us - play fast and loose with the Latin roots of the word or somesuch?


Honibaz

[Phatscotty]

Honibaz is whipping ass. Nice.

snorri never wins. there was however this one time.....

[thegreekdog]

Honibaz is often underestimated.

[Phatscotty]

Honibaz is often underestimated.

only in a "yo momma" contest or if being called names combined with a semi-rare adjective hurts you....

[Snorri1234]

I'm with you Jay. Saying that the United States Government will always permanently and forever fight for it's people against (successfully from both within and outside) tyranny goes exactly against everything history has ever taught us. What even recent history has taught us.

I think you guys are missing the point. When the US government would do things that would be classified as tyranny it would almost always be with the support of the populace. That's what has happened in most cases throughout history.

You need the support of the people.

I'm just gonna stick with the American Revolution here.

America was founded by the few standing up against the many. I've read that the Active American Rebels made up only around 20% of the population and counting all of those supporting the new nation we still numbered less than 50% of the population.
The Tyranny was supported by the people, and the few had to fight for the rights of every man.

Interesting point. It's true that the activists are not neccesarily the majority, however any activist group which is going to really fight needs at least enough popular support to have a safe base and resources. You're not going to win a civil war if just 20% of the people support you.

Every dictator that got to power had popular support (not defined as more than 50%, but defined as enough resources to win), either by the people or outside forces. Given that there's no likely outside force for the US, (the US gov has actually been that outside force a lot), they will need the support of the populace. That is, they need it at first, later on they might have enough resources to oppress people despite most of them being against whatever it is, but to enact the things they need to do that are "tyranny" the people have to support them.

[thegreekdog]

Honibaz is often underestimated.

only in a "yo momma" contest or if being called names combined with a semi-rare adjective hurts you....

You are illustrating my point.

Honibaz is a pretty smart fucking dude. Using coarse language does not make him unintelligent.

[Snorri1234]

Honibaz is often underestimated.

only in a "yo momma" contest or if being called names combined with a semi-rare adjective hurts you....

You are illustrating my point.

Honibaz is a pretty smart fucking dude. Using coarse language does not make him unintelligent.

oh man Honibaz was the most bizarre moron ever to grace this forum. look him up if you don't believe me.

[thegreekdog]

Honibaz is often underestimated.

only in a "yo momma" contest or if being called names combined with a semi-rare adjective hurts you....

You are illustrating my point.

Honibaz is a pretty smart fucking dude. Using coarse language does not make him unintelligent.

oh man Honibaz was the most bizarre moron ever to grace this forum. look him up if you don't believe me.

I don't know about that.

EDIT - I'm talking about b.k. barunt, who signs "Honibaz." Was Honibaz a separate player or something?

[Snorri1234]

Honibaz is often underestimated.

only in a "yo momma" contest or if being called names combined with a semi-rare adjective hurts you....

You are illustrating my point.

Honibaz is a pretty smart fucking dude. Using coarse language does not make him unintelligent.

oh man Honibaz was the most bizarre moron ever to grace this forum. look him up if you don't believe me.

I don't know about that.

EDIT - I'm talking about b.k. barunt, who signs "Honibaz." Was Honibaz a separate player or something?

yes Honibaz was some dude who signed all his post with Honibaz and then bk did it too and he got angry if I remember correctly. not the sharpest tool in the shed.

[thegreekdog]

Oh... I'm talking about b.k. But if b.k. is doing that to this day, well played. Very well played.

[Symmetry]

I'm a redneck gun lover and a tree hugging hippy - does that mean i'm schizophrenic?

Ambidextrous?


Multifaceted Honibaz

It means, fairly typically, that you have no idea what the word "schizophrenic" means.

Oh niggaplease! Are you that stuck on yourself and your "i'msomuchsmarterthaneverybodyelse" pseudointellectual posturing? I'm well aware of the difference between multiple personality disorder and dementia praecox, now referred to as "schizophrenia", which is Latin for "split mind". Split mind - get it?

It was a joke, you ridiculous strutting poseur.


Honibaz

Sorry, caught this uninformed reply a little late, and couldn't resist:

1) Greek. Not Latin, but a good try.

2) It still isn't Greek, it's a word that draws on Greek roots. But that's me being pedantic.

3) Schizophrenia is not the same as premature dementia (Dementia Praecox).

4) Fairly typically, you've shown that you have no idea what "schizophrenia" means.

I've got to be honest, I thought you'd only misunderstood on fairly common terms. In your reply you've added linguistic and clinical misunderstandings to your list.

Couldn't resist what? Making a complete ass of yourself?

I just checked it out in the dictionary to make sure i wasn't having a brain fart or too much pot. "Schizophrenia" is New Latin for split (schizo) mind (phrenia). I'm not "pedantic" (otherwise referred to as "asinine") enough to give a good f*ck whether it "draws on Greek roots" or not. It's a Latin word, not a Greek one.

I had a few psychology classes while working on my degree and schizophrenia always interested me, so i remember enough to recognize the fact that you are full of shit. I've also studied Greek, so don't try your fast and loose juggling of the facts with me there. Another interesting nugget that you can also find in the dictionary is the fact that the former name of schizophrenia is dementia praecox. Anymore turdlets of ignorance and/or disinformation that you'd like to share?

Maybe you'd like to redefine "reality" for us - play fast and loose with the Latin roots of the word or somesuch?
Honibaz

1) "The" dictionary? Which one?
2) What on earth is New Latin? Did you mean Neo-Latin?
3) It's still from Greek. Sorry, it just is.
4) You've misunderstood the history of schizophrenia. In the past, several diagnoses of dementia praecox have been suggested now to be actual cases of schizophrenia. Similar to female hysteria, however, it wasn't just the previous name for the problem. "A" previous name would marginally more accurate.
5) Feel free to share with us the Latin roots at literally any point.

If it helps, here's the OED etymology:

[ad. G. schizophrenie (E. Bleuler 1910, in Psychiatrisch-Neurol. Wochenschr. XII. 171), f. Gr. mind: see SCHIZO- and -IA1.]

Here

Use the link if you need to see the Greek characters, not supported here. The "f.Gr" means "from Greek".

[Woodruff]

Which is, I'm sure, why you dishonestly removed everything preceding my statement.

Dude, you are way too paranoid. Is that a Vulcan thing? If I don't include ALL your drivel, it's because I have deemed it irrelevant. But anyone can still go back to your post and read the entire thing. It's not dishonesty, that's what YOU do crying about dishonesty all the time.

There's a tremendous difference between "removing everything preceding" (which is what you did) and "not including everything" (which you're trying to claim you did). You just can't help yourself with the dishonesty, can you? Is that a Christian thing, or is it just you, Jay?

[b.k. barunt]

1) "The" dictionary? Which one?
2) What on earth is New Latin? Did you mean Neo-Latin?
3) It's still from Greek. Sorry, it just is.
4) You've misunderstood the history of schizophrenia. In the past, several diagnoses of dementia praecox have been suggested now to be actual cases of schizophrenia. Similar to female hysteria, however, it wasn't just the previous name for the problem. "A" previous name would marginally more accurate.
5) Feel free to share with us the Latin roots at literally any point.

If it helps, here's the OED etymology:

[ad. G. schizophrenie (E. Bleuler 1910, in Psychiatrisch-Neurol. Wochenschr. XII. 171), f. Gr. mind: see SCHIZO- and -IA1.]

Here

Use the link if you need to see the Greek characters, not supported here. The "f.Gr" means "from Greek".

Oh for fucksakes strap on your prosthetic nutlets and try and work up the nerve to admit you were wrong. Here, let me spoon feed you - i'll type out the quote from "The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language":

schizophrenia n any of a group of psychotic reactions characterized by withdrawal from reality with highly variable accompanying affective, behavioral, and intellectual disturbances. Formerly called "dementia praecox." [New Latin, "split mind" : SCHIZO- + -PHRENIA.]

Now why don't you write to the publishers of the dictionary and inform them of the error of their ways. I'm done with your doodleyfuck nonsense - you're starting to bore the f*ck outa me and God knows how many others.


Honibaz

[john9blue]

Chuck already won this thread on the first page, with a little help from bk.

[jimboston]

Are you all still talking about this subject?

To all people not citizens of the USA.

Keep your greasy greedy fucking hands off our Constitution.
(... and Bill of Rights)

End - of - Conversation

[jay_a2j]

Are you all still talking about this subject?

To all people not citizens of the USA.

Keep your greasy greedy fucking hands off our Constitution.
(... and Bill of Rights)

End - of - Conversation

The Debate Is Over.......