The U.S. Flag Code - Outdated?

[Woodruff]

This is a tangent to another thread that I think deserves it's own topic.

Is the U.S. Flag Code outdated? Should it be scrapped? Rewritten to eliminate parts that are effectively ignored?

[targetman377]

woodruff i do not believe so after all the flag does not just represent a nation. It represent all those men and women who have fought for it and died. These people should not have the code rewritten because people don't follow it. i mean if we rewrote things based on what people did murder would be legal. and yes i know the code is not law but you should know it if you own a flag it just out of respect

[Woodruff]

woodruff i do not believe so after all the flag does not just represent a nation. It represent all those men and women who have fought for it and died. These people should not have the code rewritten because people don't follow it. i mean if we rewrote things based on what people did murder would be legal. and yes i know the code is not law but you should know it if you own a flag it just out of respect

I personally agree with you.

And yet, it's not a LAW, per se...so perhaps the same standard shouldn't apply to it as it would to the law? As well, we have had laws change over time (and even be eliminated entirely) based ONLY on a changing of the morals of the area. Does the Flag Code carry any weight any longer, outside of the military, those who have previously served and probably most of their direct families?

[jonesthecurl]

woodruff i do not believe so after all the flag does not just represent a nation. It represent all those men and women who have fought for it and died. These people should not have the code rewritten because people don't follow it. i mean if we rewrote things based on what people did murder would be legal. and yes i know the code is not law but you should know it if you own a flag it just out of respect

I think he's specifically thinking about wearing the falg as clothing, in which cse you have just contradicted yourself magnificently.

[john9blue]

I think he's specifically thinking about wearing the falg as clothing, in which cse you have just contradicted yourself magnificently.

You know, there's a difference between "I don't want you to do something" and "I want you to be forced not to do something".

What exactly is the current flag code Woody?

[Woodruff]

What exactly is the current flag code Woody?

Most would probably find it surprisingly lengthy. You can find it here: http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html

Scroll down to Title 36, Chapter 10.

[ghost2501]

One Thing to look at is the Gold fringe around all the flags that are in post offices, city council, court rooms, the white house, etc. This is not an american flag an american flag does not have gold in it an American flag is red, white, and blue. This goes along the lines of marshal law and old laws such as maritime laws where you enter a vessel you submit to the absolute authority of that flag. Its really sick if you think about it in a backwards way it means they can get away with anything.

Can anyone that is digging into this flagcode see what it says about gold fringe around the edge of the flag? History of such things etc. I take it very serious they are mocking us right to our face.

[Woodruff]

One Thing to look at is the Gold fringe around all the flags that are in post offices, city council, court rooms, the white house, etc. This is not an american flag an american flag does not have gold in it an American flag is red, white, and blue. This goes along the lines of marshal law and old laws such as maritime laws where you enter a vessel you submit to the absolute authority of that flag. Its really sick if you think about it in a backwards way it means they can get away with anything.
Can anyone that is digging into this flagcode see what it says about gold fringe around the edge of the flag? History of such things etc. I take it very serious they are mocking us right to our face.

Ghost, I can tell you factually that this is absolutely and completely wrong. Whoever has given you this information is, in fact, a nutjob. I'm sorry, but there's no other way to put it. Originally, the gold fringe was used by only the U.S. Army, Navy and Marine Corps for ceremonial flags, but it's use has expanded greatly because it looks nicer.

[army of nobunaga]

I think all things that have to do with the animal that is humans have to change through time or they eventually break.

I would be more interested in the unwritten flag code being revised. I still salute when I have a cover on and I pass within 6 paces.

There are a lot of flag codes and rules. Both written and unwritten. I think it could be tidied up a littlebit and still respect those that have gone before us.

[Night Strike]

The flag code became completely disregarded once the Supreme Court decided that people should be allowed to burn it. The First Amendment protects what you SAY, not what you burn.

[Woodruff]

The flag code became completely disregarded once the Supreme Court decided that people should be allowed to burn it. The First Amendment protects what you SAY, not what you burn.

What? Oh my good Lord, no. I despise flag-burning as much as probably anyone, but this just doesn't make sense to me.

[b.k. barunt]

The flag code became completely disregarded once the Supreme Court decided that people should be allowed to burn it. The First Amendment protects what you SAY, not what you burn.

The flag code is ridiculous as that flag has been dishonoured too many times and now represents a lie. f*ck the flag and f*ck the flag code. It's nothing but a colored cloth that's used by the government to whip the tards into the occasional emotional frenzy.


Honibaz

[Army of GOD]

Eh, I don't like having a specific "code" for it, considering what's "disrespectful" is very opinionated.

Like, I'd think using it as a ceiling cover isn't disrespectful at all. Or some people might not think that wearing it on clothing isn't disrespectful.

[PLAYER57832]

This is a tangent to another thread that I think deserves it's own topic.

Is the U.S. Flag Code outdated? Should it be scrapped? Rewritten to eliminate parts that are effectively ignored?

I believe the Supreme court has effectively said that one can use the flag how one wishes as a manner of free speech. Therefore, the code is almost irrelevant, except when it comes to flying it, etc.

[Juan_Bottom]

The flag code became completely disregarded once the Supreme Court decided that people should be allowed to burn it. The First Amendment protects what you SAY, not what you burn.

There are nine people who disagree with you.

The flag code is ridiculous as that flag has been dishonoured too many times and now represents a lie.

When did you go English on me?

Also, BK sums it up for me. Not that I agree with what he's saying, but that he said it. The flag means different things to different people. Tyranny, hope, hate, ect.
This is why the code could never be law, and yet also why a revision is not needed. Let those who hold the hope of a great nation close to their hearts follow the code unbroken, like their love for the nation itself.

[Woodruff]

This is a tangent to another thread that I think deserves it's own topic.

Is the U.S. Flag Code outdated? Should it be scrapped? Rewritten to eliminate parts that are effectively ignored?

I believe the Supreme court has effectively said that one can use the flag how one wishes as a manner of free speech.

Certainly, this is true. And yet...

Therefore, the code is almost irrelevant, except when it comes to flying it, etc.

For those who DO want to treat the flag without it being a vehicle solely for "expressing free speech", it may still have significant value. Thus my question.

[john9blue]

Pretty sure the code isn't a law at all guys. It specifically says you can't be punished for not following it.

[Woodruff]

Pretty sure the code isn't a law at all guys. It specifically says you can't be punished for not following it.

Right...who was talking about it being a law or being punished for not following it?

[john9blue]

The flag code became completely disregarded once the Supreme Court decided that people should be allowed to burn it. The First Amendment protects what you SAY, not what you burn.

This. Night Strike seems to think that because the SC supports freedom of expression with the flag, that goes against the code, which apparently prohibits flag burning.

[Snorri1234]

whenever people start treating a piece of cloth as if it were sacred I get bummed out.


"man, this god-bussines is bullshit. the dude does't exist. let's worship a fucking flag"

[Woodruff]

whenever people start treating a piece of cloth as if it were sacred I get bummed out.

"man, this god-bussines is bullshit. the dude does't exist. let's worship a fucking flag"

The way I teach it is that by treating the flag with respect, we are treating the ideals of our country with respect (the idea being that it brings to mind the importance of those ideals). We're in no way "worshiping" it. Respect is not the same as worship, and I REALLY don't understand how someone could believe they are similar.

[Falkomagno]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/05/ ... ssion-form


Lol

[Army of GOD]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/05/06/american-flag-banned-america/#discussion-form


Lol

The power of 4chan.

[Woodruff]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/05/06/american-flag-banned-america/#discussion-form
Lol

The power of 4chan.

4chan? I presume they're pushing the "safety of the student" voting or something?

[Juan_Bottom]

For the love of God (see "Army of") DO NOT GOOGLE the phrases 4chan + .org!!!

And believe me, whatever you do, even if you couldn't resist even that slight temptation, DO NOT CLICK /b/!!!