Logic dictates that there is a God!

unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:45 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
vtmarik wrote:
But you said that it was disguised truth, so which is it? If the text of Revelation is a disguise, how can we even consider taking it literally.

Part of it are symbolic (ie. "giant locusts"... "beast with 10 horns") But the overall writing is literal.... we just have to figure out what these symbols mean.... and are doing so.

My interpretation is that almost every story is not truth as much as it a means of delivering a message. David and the goliath, in my interpretation did not happen. It is a way of saying "the little people will always win".

Xayath · Post by **Xayath** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:46 pm

hell yeah 2dimes

and also unrig what i meant was that science doesnt care about God or anything like that, save for maybe psychology.
A avowed christian physics professor has said that if it cannot be tested or reliably reproduced it is not within the realm or science. And in how i am a christian God cant be tested in any lab i have heard of and neither can he be reproduced

this isnt a bad thing. all i am saying is that science has a hands of concerning gods. Also evolution is the only beeginning theory that operates totally within science ideas, gods of any sort do not operate in science. the infininte can not be finitely defined and unless God is limited, he and sci are merely aquantiences not bedfellows.

*Horrible picture of God in the same bed as a old and moldy einstine* *Shudders*

Xayath · Post by **Xayath** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:47 pm

it would be funny if jamie/jay made the 666th post lol

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:50 pm

Xayath wrote:sry imeant bible thumping.i equeat that with people using the bible as a blunt intrument against others

and sorry itseemed like u were on i am sorry

hmmm sin is sin and judgement is judgement (see above post). I do not condemn anyone, "Bible thump" (wonder if you would call Jesus a Bible thumper) or any label you or anyone want to give me or anyone else here. Have I been rash at times? Most likely... I am human and error. Do I proclaim "lies" in this forum? Not to my knowledge. Do I feel its right to attack Christians to make myself look better in the eyes of God? Umm no. The same measure indeed.

Xayath · Post by **Xayath** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:59 pm

i gotta spell this out

Rolling on the floor laughing every part of my body off

Jay i could care less about ur ideas read the last part of my first post in this thread

u believe in what u want and i will respect you for it. but try and force ur beliefs on any one, and i will not say wheither u have or not,

EDIT------ "then" not "and" sorry for the mistype

ur no better than hitler. i dont care. If Jesus tried to force himself on anyone no matter who then i would drop him like a bad habit. but because i have a personal relationship with him i know he never would. i also know that in his time he will give me oppertunities to help other. notice i said help. i would sleep better at night knowing i had helped just one person have a better, this is open to debate(not here though), life than convert thousands to god. I can be sure that i have helped that one and i know that it was God's will, i cannot be equally as sure that even one of those thousands was sincer. Christ said to love one another, that means love everyone, u dont have to like them just do ur best and God, weither u belkive in him or not, will provide the rest

2dimes · Post by **2dimes** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:07 pm

Stop. Step back, deep breaths all around.

I don't agree with Jay, often.

Still, I never feel like he's forcing his beliefs on anyone. I read him as having a stronger opinion.

The Hitler remark is kind of amusing but a little far. No?

Even if Jay's pounding the keys while he posts the content to me is a little lighter, perhaps more positive than hare Hitler.

Xayath · Post by **Xayath** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:09 pm

*backs away with hands up
i didnt say he was i was talking to any in general
like those who hold up "god hgates fags" at soldiers funerals

those are the peps i am talking about

i dont think jay did that he plays cc he is too smart for that

sorry if any thought that

and are u jay or jamie????

MeDeFe · Post by **MeDeFe** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:11 pm

This means Xayath loses by default due to reductio ad hitlerum, the last one who tried that was jay I think. Sort of ironic...

Xayath · Post by **Xayath** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:12 pm

lol

see this is why i like u guys

2dimes · Post by **2dimes** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:15 pm

Don't make me bust out my blue letter edition bible to seperate you two.

RenegadePaddy · Post by **RenegadePaddy** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:09 pm

jay_a2j wrote:First to address another post about the 5 minutes thingy..... God remains the same.... He does not change. So where fat used to describe being overweight, phat (language evolution) takes on a whole different meaning. But God does not evolve or change.

You havnt addressed the point at all - youve avoided the question.

I challenged that the language is misunderstood by taking literal meaning, where there is conclusive proof of its being an analogy. I said nothing about God changing.

Answer the question properly.

WL_southerner · Post by **WL_southerner** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:46 pm

love thy neighbour then stab them in the back

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:44 pm

AlgyTaylor wrote:
AlgyTaylor wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:I believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God.
Why?
Why, Jay? What makes you believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God?

Because I believe it is what it says it is. It's getting to know the author. It's the 100% accuracy of its words and so much more. But that's my opinion and others here may and will disagree. So'k.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:48 pm

Xayath wrote:i gotta spell this out

Rolling on the floor laughing every part of my body off

Jay i could care less about ur ideas read the last part of my first post in this thread

u believe in what u want and i will respect you for it. but try and force ur beliefs on any one, and i will not say wheither u have or not, and ur no better than hitler. i dont care. If Jesus tried to force himself on anyone no matter who then i would drop him like a bad habit. but because i have a personal relationship with him i know he never would. i also know that in his time he will give me oppertunities to help other. notice i said help. i would sleep better at night knowing i had helped just one person have a better, this is open to debate(not here though), life than convert thousands to god. I can be sure that i have helped that one and i know that it was God's will, i cannot be equally as sure that even one of those thousands was sincer. Christ said to love one another, that means love everyone, u dont have to like them just do ur best and God, weither u belkive in him or not, will provide the rest

You can't force faith. And I am not even trying to do any such thing. It's called debate...which is why I come into threads like these. I like to debate. Not argue, not judge, not say that I'm better than anyone else and certainly not to call people Hitler.

unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:51 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
Xayath wrote:i gotta spell this out

Rolling on the floor laughing every part of my body off

Jay i could care less about ur ideas read the last part of my first post in this thread

u believe in what u want and i will respect you for it. but try and force ur beliefs on any one, and i will not say wheither u have or not, and ur no better than hitler. i dont care. If Jesus tried to force himself on anyone no matter who then i would drop him like a bad habit. but because i have a personal relationship with him i know he never would. i also know that in his time he will give me oppertunities to help other. notice i said help. i would sleep better at night knowing i had helped just one person have a better, this is open to debate(not here though), life than convert thousands to god. I can be sure that i have helped that one and i know that it was God's will, i cannot be equally as sure that even one of those thousands was sincer. Christ said to love one another, that means love everyone, u dont have to like them just do ur best and God, weither u belkive in him or not, will provide the rest

You can't force faith. And I am not even trying to do any such thing. It's called debate...which is why I come into threads like these. I like to debate. Not argue, not judge, not say that I'm better than anyone else and certainly not to call people Hitler.

OMG WTF U SMOKIN LOL

I agree with jay, who the hell do you think you are xayath, comparing him to a mass murderer?

Xayath · Post by **Xayath** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:14 pm

i never said he was such. i was refering to the general "you." from what i have seen this is not jay/jamie still unsure which he is but that is irrelevent. this is not any on cc. i was talking about those who would agree with the people who bring the "god hates fags" posters to the funerals of soldiers. if anyone on cc has done this i do not know about it. my comment holds true even if i had said it

"but if i would try and force my beliefs on any one, and i will, have, and hope i have not been inturpreted as doing so, then i would be no better than hitler.

looking at my post i do see that iaccedentally pput and instead of then so i do apologise for making that mistake. i am sorry, please understand it was a mistype.

2dimes · Post by **2dimes** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:43 pm

Keep digging.

I think I get what you're trying to say there. If you are militant and attack people it's harsh.

Everyone needs to keep in mind that when you write something it probably looks different to someone else reading it.

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:46 pm

This shit is still oging on??? Like ANY person reading this will be converted or swayed at all!?

C'mon, folks...

Let's all just have a big group hug and love one another...

Xayath · Post by **Xayath** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:53 pm

again i apologise to all of u i F**ked up badly.

Anyways to me what constitiutes "Religious Thumping" is where u ignore socail propriaty to, i may use this wrong, "troll" or harass anyone. The street preacher who cant take a hint, the Evolutionist who cant tell the difference between ID and Christianity, THEY ARE DIFFERENT, the suicide bombers. Basicallly anything which would be innapropriate in arguing which is better: white or wheat. is bad for any argument/debate. this is all i was saying. Now none of the cc members have crossed this line but some have come close in my OPINION. i am not saying i am right, i am only saying that it seems that both sides have been a little extreme. Faith is very odd and all faiths should be treated with repect and should be confined to what they are. Faith is NOT science. Science is NOT faith.

Finally this is my opinion and i have seen the error of my opinions many times. God is God and i thank him that i am NOT.

Xayath · Post by **Xayath** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:55 pm

Anarkistsdream said what i meant. obviously i suck with lingo thanks anark

unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:27 pm

Xayath wrote:Faith is NOT science. Science is NOT faith.

Well said.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:31 pm

unriggable wrote:
Xayath wrote:Faith is NOT science. Science is NOT faith.
Well said.

True but Science doesn't hold a monopoly on Logic.

unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:48 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
unriggable wrote:
Xayath wrote:Faith is NOT science. Science is NOT faith.
Well said.

True but Science doesn't hold a monopoly on Logic.

It holds a monopoly on what's right. The truth is, if you can see it, it's there. Your faith is based on, well, faith; the idea that what you believe is happening/has happened.

MR. Nate · Post by **MR. Nate** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:05 pm

unriggable wrote:It holds a monopoly on what's right.

Bull. Prove the validity of logic without using circular reasoning.

Anarkistsdream wrote:Let's all just have a big group hug and love one another...

Can we love each other without the group hug? I'm not a touchy kind of guy, and Xayath smells like wet dog.

AlgyTaylor · Post by **AlgyTaylor** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:30 am

MR. Nate wrote:Bull. Prove the validity of logic without using circular reasoning.

Are you suggesting that logic is wrong?

Logic dictates that there is a God!

Does God exist?

umm