Best Presidident 1980-current

[Titanic]

Ronald Reagan, hands down. Bill clinton is more responsible for the economic crisis today than Bush ever could be. Clinton signed the repealing of glass-steagal before Bush was even exploring an exploratory committee for a bid for the republican nomination. Yes, the financial companies ran rampant under Bush JR, but this was only possible because of Clinton signing Dodds bill repealing said glass- steagal

In June 1999, while Governor of Texas, Bush announced his candidacy for President of the United States.

Provisions that prohibit a bank holding company from owning other financial companies were repealed on November 12, 1999, by the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act.

I'm just curious as this seems to be a trend in your comments. Do you have a difficulty in understanding colloquial speech? This is a diagnostic symptom in adult autism. I don't support "treatment" of autism but it should be managed to better acclimate the autistic individual into society and help them achieve a high-level of day-to-day functionality. Many people move into adulthood without being aware they are autistic. Have you been checked-out? I'm not trying to flame you or anything but it might be worthwhile just popping into the doctor for a check-up. It can't hurt, anyway. Just a thought.

I like facts and hate people lying or being hypocrites. I guess what annoyed me most here was the detail with which he tried to deride Clinton - "Clinton signed the repealing of glass-steagal before Bush was even exploring an exploratory committee for a bid for the republican nomination"

[Phatscotty]

Ronald Reagan, hands down. Bill clinton is more responsible for the economic crisis today than Bush ever could be. Clinton signed the repealing of glass-steagal before Bush was even exploring an exploratory committee for a bid for the republican nomination. Yes, the financial companies ran rampant under Bush JR, but this was only possible because of Clinton signing Dodds bill repealing said glass- steagal

In June 1999, while Governor of Texas, Bush announced his candidacy for President of the United States.

Provisions that prohibit a bank holding company from owning other financial companies were repealed on November 12, 1999, by the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act.

I'm just curious as this seems to be a trend in your comments. Do you have a difficulty in understanding colloquial speech? This is a diagnostic symptom in adult autism. I don't support "treatment" of autism but it should be managed to better acclimate the autistic individual into society and help them achieve a high-level of day-to-day functionality. Many people move into adulthood without being aware they are autistic. Have you been checked-out? I'm not trying to flame you or anything but it might be worthwhile just popping into the doctor for a check-up. It can't hurt, anyway. Just a thought.

At least she did not refute the "nut-meat". Just like her to find a problem with the exact date. I see it as her admitting that my statement was true, but trying to make me look bad in telling the truth. Standard Operating Procedure for Titanic and many other "likeminded" individuals here

[Titanic]

[quote="Phatscotty"
At least she did not refute the "nut-meat". Just like her to find a problem with the exact date. I see it as her admitting that my statement was true, but trying to make me look bad in telling the truth. Standard Operating Procedure for Titanic and many other "likeminded" individuals here[/quote]

You think I'm a woman? Interesting....if only I was gay the irony would be so delicious.

And I did give a basic comeback to the ""nut-meat""

Oh and really, Clinton was more responsable than Bush? Was Bush held at gunpoint for 8 years and forced to do absolutely nothing but liberalise the market even more and remove legislation and oversight?

..which you did not respond to at all, maybe this is just the "Standard Operating Procedure for Phatscotty and many other "likeminded" individuals here".

[Phatscotty]

[quote="Phatscotty"
At least she did not refute the "nut-meat". Just like her to find a problem with the exact date. I see it as her admitting that my statement was true, but trying to make me look bad in telling the truth. Standard Operating Procedure for Titanic and many other "likeminded" individuals here

You think I'm a woman? Interesting....if only I was gay the irony would be so delicious.

And I did give a basic comeback to the ""nut-meat""

Oh and really, Clinton was more responsable than Bush? Was Bush held at gunpoint for 8 years and forced to do absolutely nothing but liberalise the market even more and remove legislation and oversight?

..which you did not respond to at all, maybe this is just the "Standard Operating Procedure for Phatscotty and many other "likeminded" individuals here".[/quote]
I do not now nor have I ever respected "the argument of comparisons". I was speaking clearly to the point of the repealing of glass-steagal, which Clinton signed....

[Phatscotty]

[quote="Phatscotty"
At least she did not refute the "nut-meat". Just like her to find a problem with the exact date. I see it as her admitting that my statement was true, but trying to make me look bad in telling the truth. Standard Operating Procedure for Titanic and many other "likeminded" individuals here

You think I'm a woman? Interesting....if only I was gay the irony would be so delicious.

And I did give a basic comeback to the ""nut-meat""

Oh and really, Clinton was more responsable than Bush? Was Bush held at gunpoint for 8 years and forced to do absolutely nothing but liberalise the market even more and remove legislation and oversight?

..which you did not respond to at all, maybe this is just the "Standard Operating Procedure for Phatscotty and many other "likeminded" individuals here".[/quote]
I do not now nor have I ever respected "the argument of comparisons". I was speaking clearly to the point of the repealing of glass-steagal, which Clinton signed....

[jefjef]

nor have you apologized or admitted that you may have been wrong about Reagan attacking Grenada.

Well I would never apologize for the efforts of those who protect America's interests, citizens and promotion of liberty and freedom.

List of wars that I apologize for: (For not happening)

IRAN - SYRIA war of liberation.
Korean conflict II.
Cuban war of freedom.

As far as arguing politics with liberals/socialists is akin to speaking to walls.

Do you recall Carter's Iranian hostage embarrassment? When Reagan took office the Iranians expeditiously released them. They knew they had serious problems if they didn't...

Reagan wasn't about to allow America to eat shit from Iran. Granada either...

[saxitoxin]

Ronald Reagan, hands down. Bill clinton is more responsible for the economic crisis today than Bush ever could be. Clinton signed the repealing of glass-steagal before Bush was even exploring an exploratory committee for a bid for the republican nomination. Yes, the financial companies ran rampant under Bush JR, but this was only possible because of Clinton signing Dodds bill repealing said glass- steagal

In June 1999, while Governor of Texas, Bush announced his candidacy for President of the United States.

Provisions that prohibit a bank holding company from owning other financial companies were repealed on November 12, 1999, by the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act.

I'm just curious as this seems to be a trend in your comments. Do you have a difficulty in understanding colloquial speech? This is a diagnostic symptom in adult autism. I don't support "treatment" of autism but it should be managed to better acclimate the autistic individual into society and help them achieve a high-level of day-to-day functionality. Many people move into adulthood without being aware they are autistic. Have you been checked-out? I'm not trying to flame you or anything but it might be worthwhile just popping into the doctor for a check-up. It can't hurt, anyway. Just a thought.

I like facts and hate people lying or being hypocrites. I guess what annoyed me most here was the detail with which he tried to deride Clinton - "Clinton signed the repealing of glass-steagal before Bush was even exploring an exploratory committee for a bid for the republican nomination"

Titanic, this is really not normal behavior.

There is a casual style of speech in which most people engage and when someone starts trying to refute colloquialisms it raises some eyebrows.

For instance, were I to say "Bush was really the village idiot" and Scott or someone came back and said "in fact you are lying, the position of village idiot was abolished in all municipal jurisdictions in the United States in the year 1832" it would cause some people to arch an eyebrow.

The way you converse in threads is simply not normal. However, you appear highly functional. These two reasons, coupled, indicate there is something else going on with you.

Please PM me as I can provide a referral of a place, locally to you, where you can get help discreetly. At the very worst it'll cost you an hour or two of your time.

[Titanic]

I do not now nor have I ever respected "the argument of comparisons". I was speaking clearly to the point of the repealing of glass-steagal, which Clinton signed....

I'm pretty sure your overall arguament was about the economic crisis and financial firms runnion riot. See exhibit A:

Bill clinton is more responsible for the economic crisis today than Bush ever could be. Clinton signed the repealing of glass-steagal before Bush was even exploring an exploratory committee for a bid for the republican nomination. Yes, the financial companies ran rampant under Bush JR, but this was only possible because of Clinton signing Dodds bill repealing said glass- steagal

Glass-Steagal was merely your main point to charge Clinton with these offences. The situation is much more complex then one piece of legislation.

[Titanic]

Titanic, this is really not normal behavior.

There is a casual style of speech in which most people engage and when someone starts trying to refute colloquialisms it raises some eyebrows.

For instance, were I to say "Bush was really the village idiot" and Scott or someone came back and said "in fact you are lying, the position of village idiot was abolished in all municipal jurisdictions in the United States in the year 1832" it would cause some people to arch an eyebrow.

The way you converse in threads is simply not normal. However, you appear highly functional. These two reasons, coupled, indicate there is something else going on with you.

Please PM me as I can provide a referral of a place, locally to you, where you can get help discreetly. At the very worst it'll cost you an hour or two of your time.

I appreciate your concern but refuse to seek help unless I am fully compensated financially through travel costs, appointment costs, time wasted, stress caused and potential money making opportunities removed. Get back to me.

PS: When you said village idiot all I could think about was YMCA. Maybe I'm homosexual. If you're conservative that would explain why I am so wierd in your eyes.

[Titanic]

Do you recall Carter's Iranian hostage embarrassment? When Reagan took office the Iranians expeditiously released them. They knew they had serious problems if they didn't...

Reagan wasn't about to allow America to eat shit from Iran. Granada either...

Thats your take on why Iran released the hostages? You are aware they had them on the tarmac in the plane and deliberately waited for Reagan to be sworn in and the Carter admnistration to end before allowing the plane to take off even though negotiations had been previously concluded and the only reason for this was so they could throw a final diplomatic punch at the Carter administration. Are you also aware that it was the Carter administration alone who negotiated their release, and not a single Reaganite was involved?

[saxitoxin]

Titanic, this is really not normal behavior.

There is a casual style of speech in which most people engage and when someone starts trying to refute colloquialisms it raises some eyebrows.

For instance, were I to say "Bush was really the village idiot" and Scott or someone came back and said "in fact you are lying, the position of village idiot was abolished in all municipal jurisdictions in the United States in the year 1832" it would cause some people to arch an eyebrow.

The way you converse in threads is simply not normal. However, you appear highly functional. These two reasons, coupled, indicate there is something else going on with you.

Please PM me as I can provide a referral of a place, locally to you, where you can get help discreetly. At the very worst it'll cost you an hour or two of your time.

I appreciate your concern but refuse to seek help unless I am fully compensated financially through travel costs, appointment costs, time wasted, stress caused and potential money making opportunities removed. Get back to me.

PS: When you said village idiot all I could think about was YMCA. Maybe I'm homosexual. If you're conservative that would explain why I am so wierd in your eyes.

Don't let anyone tell you that you are weird. You are a valuable human being like all human beings.

I am simply concerned because you are exhibiting extreme symptoms of adult autism in your manner of conversation.

Like I said, it is simply not normal to take literally some of the things you take literally with such fervor as you do while simultaneously exhibiting a reasonably high level of compositional functionality. It's not responsible for anyone to diagnosis someone from message board posts. You need to see someone in person. You need to do this for yourself, Titanic. Your health is not something to play around with; you have to take care of yourself. Please PM me.

P.S. - as most people here can tell you, I'm not exactly what you'd describe as a "conservative."

[Titanic]

Don't let anyone tell you that you are weird. You are a valuable human being like all human beings.

I am simply concerned because you are exhibiting extreme symptoms of adult autism in your manner of conversation.

Like I said, it is simply not normal to take literally some of the things you take literally with such fervor as you do. It's not responsible for anyone to diagnosis someone from message board posts. You need to see someone in person. You need to do this for yourself, Titanic. Your health is not something to play around with; you have to take care of yourself. Please PM me.

P.S. - as most people here can tell you, I'm not exactly what you'd describe as a "conservative."

I doubt most people would say you're "believable as a human being". (Can you get the reference?)

I think you should PM me first, I have indications of adult autism afterall...

[jefjef]

Do you recall Carter's Iranian hostage embarrassment? When Reagan took office the Iranians expeditiously released them. They knew they had serious problems if they didn't...

Reagan wasn't about to allow America to eat shit from Iran. Granada either...

Thats your take on why Iran released the hostages? You are aware they had them on the tarmac in the plane and deliberately waited for Reagan to be sworn in and the Carter admnistration to end before allowing the plane to take off even though negotiations had been previously concluded and the only reason for this was so they could throw a final diplomatic punch at the Carter administration. Are you also aware that it was the Carter administration alone who negotiated their release, and not a single Reaganite was involved?

Do not let your political delusions mis-guide you. Carter was allowed to appear to have negotiated the release. To be the hero.

Many behind the scenes negotiations take place and do not get in the his-story books.

Recall the Gulf War? A very high ranking US official visited Baghdad just before the war started in an attempt to negotiate peace. Iraq did not use it's stock piles of WMD. Why not? Because they were unofficially informed what would happen if they did.

[Phatscotty]

I do not now nor have I ever respected "the argument of comparisons". I was speaking clearly to the point of the repealing of glass-steagal, which Clinton signed....

I'm pretty sure your overall arguament was about the economic crisis and financial firms runnion riot. See exhibit A:

Bill clinton is more responsible for the economic crisis today than Bush ever could be. Clinton signed the repealing of glass-steagal before Bush was even exploring an exploratory committee for a bid for the republican nomination. Yes, the financial companies ran rampant under Bush JR, but this was only possible because of Clinton signing Dodds bill repealing said glass- steagal

Glass-Steagal was merely your main point to charge Clinton with these offences. The situation is much more complex then one piece of legislation.

Clinton Signed it. If you know what it is, then no, it really is not that complex. Before you eat your foot beyond repair, if you do now know what glass-steagal is or what it did, I will tell you, if you like, and then lets see if you have an "ah-ha" moment, or not...

[Titanic]

I do not now nor have I ever respected "the argument of comparisons". I was speaking clearly to the point of the repealing of glass-steagal, which Clinton signed....

I'm pretty sure your overall arguament was about the economic crisis and financial firms runnion riot. See exhibit A:

Bill clinton is more responsible for the economic crisis today than Bush ever could be. Clinton signed the repealing of glass-steagal before Bush was even exploring an exploratory committee for a bid for the republican nomination. Yes, the financial companies ran rampant under Bush JR, but this was only possible because of Clinton signing Dodds bill repealing said glass- steagal

Glass-Steagal was merely your main point to charge Clinton with these offences. The situation is much more complex then one piece of legislation.

Clinton Signed it.

"Standard Operating Procedure for Phatscotty and many other "likeminded" individuals here"

PS: Try to actually read what I have said in the past couple of posts about this.

[Titanic]

Thats your take on why Iran released the hostages? You are aware they had them on the tarmac in the plane and deliberately waited for Reagan to be sworn in and the Carter admnistration to end before allowing the plane to take off even though negotiations had been previously concluded and the only reason for this was so they could throw a final diplomatic punch at the Carter administration. Are you also aware that it was the Carter administration alone who negotiated their release, and not a single Reaganite was involved?

Do not let your political delusions mis-guide you. Carter was allowed to appear to have negotiated the release. To be the hero.

Many behind the scenes negotiations take place and do not get in the his-story books.

Recall the Gulf War? A very high ranking US official visited Baghdad just before the war started in an attempt to negotiate peace. Iraq did not use it's stock piles of WMD. Why not? Because they were unofficially informed what would happen if they did.

Thats your comeback? You didn't even address the issue or provide any proof I was wrong. I honestly couldn't care about GHB or his administration in this context.

[saxitoxin]

Hey gang, I don't want to put the kibosh on this thread but, as the board "dad", I need to interject for medical reasons at this point and request Scott, JJ and others make the choice not to continue discussion and to disengage. I'm going to leave it at that and trust you'll make the best decision. I know you'll understand. THANK YOU, gang.

[jefjef]

Thats your take on why Iran released the hostages? You are aware they had them on the tarmac in the plane and deliberately waited for Reagan to be sworn in and the Carter admnistration to end before allowing the plane to take off even though negotiations had been previously concluded and the only reason for this was so they could throw a final diplomatic punch at the Carter administration. Are you also aware that it was the Carter administration alone who negotiated their release, and not a single Reaganite was involved?

Do not let your political delusions mis-guide you. Carter was allowed to appear to have negotiated the release. To be the hero.

Many behind the scenes negotiations take place and do not get in the his-story books.

Recall the Gulf War? A very high ranking US official visited Baghdad just before the war started in an attempt to negotiate peace. Iraq did not use it's stock piles of WMD. Why not? Because they were unofficially informed what would happen if they did.

Thats your comeback? You didn't even address the issue or provide any proof I was wrong. I honestly couldn't care about GHB or his administration in this context.

LMAO!!! Why I bother arguing his-story with a foed brit is beyond me but I do have one last post for you tits.

- September 22, 1980: Iraq invades Iran.
- October 15–20: Meetings are held in Paris between emissaries of the Reagan/Bush campaign, with William Casey as "key participant," and "high-level Iranian and Israeli representatives."
- October 21: Iran, for reasons not explained, abruptly shifts its position in secret negotiations with the Carter administration and disclaims "further interest in receiving military equipment."
- January 20, 1981: Hostages are formally released into United States custody after spending 444 days in captivity. The release takes place just minutes after Ronald Reagan is officially sworn in as president.

Yep. The official history is never distorted. All truths are always shared.

Notice the date of the Iran-Iraq war and meetings in Paris. (Bill Casey was campaign manager for Reagan and then was appointed CIA director.)

Never trust official HIS-STORY.

[Titanic]

LMAO!!! Why I bother arguing his-story with a foed brit is beyond me but I do have one last post for you tits.

- September 22, 1980: Iraq invades Iran.
- October 15–20: Meetings are held in Paris between emissaries of the Reagan/Bush campaign, with William Casey as "key participant," and "high-level Iranian and Israeli representatives."
- October 21: Iran, for reasons not explained, abruptly shifts its position in secret negotiations with the Carter administration and disclaims "further interest in receiving military equipment."
- January 20, 1981: Hostages are formally released into United States custody after spending 444 days in captivity. The release takes place just minutes after Ronald Reagan is officially sworn in as president.

Yep. The official history is never distorted. All truths are always shared.

Notice the date of the Iran-Iraq war and meetings in Paris. (Bill Casey was campaign manager for Reagan and then was appointed CIA director.)

Never trust official HIS-STORY.

To quote your full source: Alleged chronology

* September 22, 1980: Iraq invades Iran.
* October 15–20: Meetings are held in Paris between emissaries of the Reagan/Bush campaign, with Mr. William Casey as "key participant," and "high-level Iranian and Israeli representatives."[2]
* October 21: Iran, for reasons not explained, abruptly shifts its position in secret negotiations with the Carter administration and disclaims "further interest in receiving military equipment."[3]
* October 21–23: Israel secretly ships F-4 fighter-aircraft tires to Iran, in violation of the U.S. arms embargo, and Iran disperses the hostages to different locations.[4]
* January 20, 1981: Hostages are formally released into United States custody after spending 444 days in captivity. The release takes place just minutes after Ronald Reagan is officially sworn in as president.


Just to show your arguament, how exactly does this conspiracy (although I do believe there is a possibility it did happen considering Iran Contra) fit into this statement you made earlier -

When Reagan took office the Iranians expeditiously released them. They knew they had serious problems if they didn't...

Reagan wasn't about to allow America to eat shit from Iran. Granada either...

One makes him out to be a hard man who isn't going to take shit, the other says he bribed them into releasing the hostages.

[jefjef]

He was an American. He did not take shit or allow other countries to feed us shit.

It is commonly accepted and confirmed that the Reagan camp did meet with Iranian officials.

It is not substantiated that it had anything to do with arms. It was also in Israels interest that Iraq did not defeat Iran and become a regional super power.

Democrats strangely stayed away from any real investigation into the arms conspiracy. They knew what had taken place. Had nothing to do with "bribery."

AN AMERICAN HERO!

[Juan_Bottom]

ALLRIGHT, STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING:

Never trust official HIS-STORY.

The same guy who says we are fighting in Iraq to liberate it's people and spread freedom throughout the world, also believes that there is some kind of vague Reagan conspiracy where Iran feared him.

Don't trust official history... except for all those other times that you do.

As far as arguing politics with liberals/socialists is akin to speaking to walls.

You have not once even offered a counter-argument.
Even when we were talking about Iraq. I made a lengthy and factual post, and you just disappeared. The same thing happened here, only you call me the wall.

Recall the Gulf War? A very high ranking US official visited Baghdad just before the war started in an attempt to negotiate peace. Iraq did not use it's stock piles of WMD. Why not? Because they were unofficially informed what would happen if they did.

Wut?

He was an American. He did not take shit or allow other countries to feed us shit.

It is commonly accepted and confirmed that the Reagan camp did meet with Iranian officials.

It is not substantiated that it had anything to do with arms. It was also in Israels interest that Iraq did not defeat Iran and become a regional super power.

Democrats strangely stayed away from any real investigation into the arms conspiracy. They knew what had taken place. Had nothing to do with "bribery."

Did you just imply that Reagan sold weapons to an enemy of the United States in order to get our citizens back? And that makes him a hero? If he did negotiate with Iran for weapons before his inauguration, wouldn't that make him a criminal?

[Titanic]

He was an American. He did not take shit or allow other countries to feed us shit.

It is commonly accepted and confirmed that the Reagan camp did meet with Iranian officials.

It is not substantiated that it had anything to do with arms. It was also in Israels interest that Iraq did not defeat Iran and become a regional super power.

Democrats strangely stayed away from any real investigation into the arms conspiracy. They knew what had taken place. Had nothing to do with "bribery."

Paying someone off to do something positive for you sounds like bribery to me.

[jefjef]

He was an American. He did not take shit or allow other countries to feed us shit.

It is commonly accepted and confirmed that the Reagan camp did meet with Iranian officials.

It is not substantiated that it had anything to do with arms. It was also in Israels interest that Iraq did not defeat Iran and become a regional super power.

Democrats strangely stayed away from any real investigation into the arms conspiracy. They knew what had taken place. Had nothing to do with "bribery."

Paying someone off to do something positive for you sounds like bribery to me.

Well gee. It's alleged that Israel sent them some tires. Talk to them.

As for Juan_Bottom

No conspiracy. Iran let them go because they knew what they could expect.

Reagan wasn't a pussy. Nor did I imply Reagan sold/traded arms. Learn to read.

I always give up talking to walls.

BYE!

[nietzsche]

With all due respect, and with even more respect to those who actually study and think about these subjects:

Presidents don't rule a country. Lobbies do. Rich people do. Even if ever, once, there was a President who was full of good intentions and didn't care about his future after being in office, he had always the hands tied by power groups.

Someone with more experience, with better perspective could enlighten us and tell us it's always the same circus. Obama had to do what he did. Clinton benefited from the times. Bush, well, you see what power can do, put an imbecile on office. It doesn't matter anyway.

Why do the US has enemies and wars? Because they want to expand their markets and get the oil. It's always about that.

It's like.. why is there life at all? Well, it had to happen, everything was there, only time was needed. Why do countries fight for supremacy? Not because a guy dreams of being a president and wants to be the ruler of the world, its simply politics, it has to happen.

What I'm trying to say here is.. I been much happier since I stopped paying attention to the news about matters of my country, about matters of the US, about matters of the global economy.

It's always the same thing, I'd rather have a beer listening to good music, or talk to a friend for hours about.. well. nothing. Or going out just to flirt with any chick that wants to flirt too.

All that said, I do respect your posts and from time to time they make me remember I know nothing.

[Phatscotty]

Hey gang, I don't want to put the kibosh on this thread but, as the board "dad", I need to interject for medical reasons at this point and request Scott, JJ and others make the choice not to continue discussion and to disengage. I'm going to leave it at that and trust you'll make the best decision. I know you'll understand. THANK YOU, gang.

You are projecting the consequences of diagnosing adult autism on me?

It was hilarious though

I have handled player and titanic a few times in the beginning. Do not worry as I have only recently been looking a the posts again. yet she they ollow me EVERYWHERE I GO! They should ignore me half as much as I ignore them. I am ok with it. Its not out of hate, it's out of mis-communication on a regular basis.