Italy [Quenched]

RjBeals · Post by **RjBeals** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:03 pm

Lupo's post was insane. I remember reading it and getting disappointed. I know he/she has strong feelings for the map, and I realize there are few borders / rivers that aren't true to the italian landscape - but it's only a game. It's not going in a textbook. Lupo had a huge post with reference maps and such. Would have almost taken a fresh start to fix some of the areas. I have much respect for Lupo, but I wasn't planning on making some/most of the changes requested.

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:01 pm

Wisse wrote:
Ruben Cassar wrote:
Wisse wrote:pm lack mayby he has it on his backup
Alas unless Lack has ESP he won't be able to do anything...
what is ESP?

Extra Sensory Perception.

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:05 pm

RjBeals wrote:Lupo's post was insane. I remember reading it and getting disappointed. I know he/she has strong feelings for the map, and I realize there are few borders / rivers that aren't true to the italian landscape - but it's only a game. It's not going in a textbook. Lupo had a huge post with reference maps and such. Would have almost taken a fresh start to fix some of the areas. I have much respect for Lupo, but I wasn't planning on making some/most of the changes requested.

I agree with you RJ. I love it when a map is authentic but I also know this is not always possible when it involves gameplay as I have tried to do a CC map myself. Lupo probably does not know how difficult it can be as he never tried to make a map.

The only thing I would like to change is that Milano issue I mentioned earlier but I know it would hinder gameplay at this stage since it was not thought out at the start. That's why I say again...

Andy QUENCH this map now!

Wisse · Post by **Wisse** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:09 pm

Ruben Cassar wrote:
Wisse wrote:
Ruben Cassar wrote:
Wisse wrote:pm lack mayby he has it on his backup
Alas unless Lack has ESP he won't be able to do anything...
what is ESP?
Extra Sensory Perception.

and that means? psycic?

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:10 pm

Wisse wrote:
Ruben Cassar wrote:
Wisse wrote:
Ruben Cassar wrote:
Wisse wrote:pm lack mayby he has it on his backup
Alas unless Lack has ESP he won't be able to do anything...
what is ESP?
Extra Sensory Perception.
and that means? psycic?

Google it! I am not your mobile dictionary! :p

Wisse · Post by **Wisse** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:33 pm

ah thxn for the idea, i am sometimes a bit stupid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra-sensory_perception

its paranormal

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:53 am

Andy can we quench this?

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:44 am

Wisse · Post by **Wisse** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:16 am

you can better day "andy will you look at this" because he don't likes people asks for quenching

edit:
on the map, the right border of the unplayable lands has a in-land shade too, delete that please

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 11:55 am

Wisse wrote:you can better day "andy will you look at this" because he don't likes people asks for quenching

edit:
on the map, the right border of the unplayable lands has a in-land shade too, delete that please

I am not the map creator so he will not penalise the map because I am asking for it to be quenched. It is probable that he will take a note and penalise me on my map in the future.

Anyway Andy come look at this map please...and...QUENCH it!

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:53 pm

Ruben, never would've thought I had to add you to the Quench-It-Crew...

Lets see the latest images of the map.

--Andy

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:57 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:Ruben, never would've thought I had to add you to the Quench-It-Crew...

Lets see the latest images of the map.

--Andy

If I knew a quench it crew existed I would have volunteered for it ages ago. Count me in!

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:20 pm

Ups soory, its these a italy topic or Malta

MonRepos · Post by **MonRepos** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:58 pm

qwert wrote:Ups soory, its these a italy topic or Malta

Italy

RjBeals · Post by **RjBeals** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:38 pm

LewisJB3 · Post by **LewisJB3** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:04 pm

Looks Great

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:31 pm

Hm, it's looking stunning. I'll look it over a little more thoroughly later.

A minor suggestion, maybe make the sea routes stand out slightly more from the water. I'm afraid it might blend in a little too much. But I don't think you need to bolden it so much, just perhaps tinker with it a little more.

Also, is there a reason why Messina doesn't have Dock? I can perhaps understand the Islands near it (and the same goes for Elba Island on one side...). Anyways, minor things, but consistency is good.

--Andy

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:33 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:Hm, it's looking stunning. I'll look it over a little more thoroughly later.

A minor suggestion, maybe make the sea routes stand out slightly more from the water. I'm afraid it might blend in a little too much. But I don't think you need to bolden it so much, just perhaps tinker with it a little more.

Also, is there a reason why Messina doesn't have Dock? I can perhaps understand the Islands near it (and the same goes for Elba Island on one side...). Anyways, minor things, but consistency is good.

--Andy

Perhaps the sea routes could be made of a darker blue and the piers slightly smaller to solve these issues?

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:33 pm

try to make the docks different from the bridges. maybe make one wood and one stone.

Master Bush · Post by **Master Bush** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:36 am

This might become my new favorite map.

Samus · Post by **Samus** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:00 am

I think you should change the capitals to be based on how many capitals you hold.

1 Capital = +0
2 Capitals = +1
3 Capitals = +2
4 Capitals = +4
5 Capitals = +6

As you already know, I feel a bonus for 1 territory is just wrong. They reward players who just happen to be on them at the time. They do not fit the idea of fighting for and holding a region of territories, and then being rewarded for your play.

This is the biggest new fad in map making here and I'm afraid we're going to have 5 maps with these 1 territory bonuses before people realize "oh crap, the lucky bastard who gets them in the beginning has too much of an advantage. All these maps are unplayable."

Enigma · Post by **Enigma** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:22 am

Samus wrote:I think you should change the capitals to be based on how many capitals you hold.

1 Capital = +0
2 Capitals = +1
3 Capitals = +2
4 Capitals = +4
5 Capitals = +6

As you already know, I feel a bonus for 1 territory is just wrong. They reward players who just happen to be on them at the time. They do not fit the idea of fighting for and holding a region of territories, and then being rewarded for your play.

This is the biggest new fad in map making here and I'm afraid we're going to have 5 maps with these 1 territory bonuses before people realize "oh crap, the lucky bastard who gets them in the beginning has too much of an advantage. All these maps are unplayable."

now that i think about it, there is sense in that. im sure the goal is to make those spots highly competative, and to give people a base to expand to the rest of the continent from, but i think its going to have a lot more to do with luck than strategy. samus has a good alternative, similar to the usapoc map, except that having one capital doesnt hurt you. its quite a bit more lucky to start with 2, and then more strategically difficult to keep 2.

however, the other side of the story is that the extra army creates an incentive for the person who is trying to take the particular continent to capture that territory 1st. so it is entirely possible that the intended gameplay will work. its possible to get a very crappy deployment, but thats possible on any map. samus' idea might also have an unintended effect in making the capitals a continent in themselves.

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:01 pm

Samus wrote:I think you should change the capitals to be based on how many capitals you hold.

1 Capital = +0
2 Capitals = +1
3 Capitals = +2
4 Capitals = +4
5 Capitals = +6

As you already know, I feel a bonus for 1 territory is just wrong. They reward players who just happen to be on them at the time. They do not fit the idea of fighting for and holding a region of territories, and then being rewarded for your play.

This is the biggest new fad in map making here and I'm afraid we're going to have 5 maps with these 1 territory bonuses before people realize "oh crap, the lucky bastard who gets them in the beginning has too much of an advantage. All these maps are unplayable."

Hmm you made me think and I agree with you but to a certain extent. I think the bonuses should be like this:

1 City = 0
2 Cities = +1
3 Cities = +2
4 Cities = +3
5 Cities = +4

RjBeals · Post by **RjBeals** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:42 pm

Makes sense to me. I'm down with the change. However, I've been very very busy with work and traveling some, so I've put this map on hold. I can make the city bonus change, and I can make the dark blue water routes darker, but I'm not sure I want to make stone bridges. I like the bridges / piers the way the are. Unless others request it, I would prefer to keep them the same, since it's purely a visual change that does not effect playability. Thanks for the suggestion though DiM - your maps are coming along very nicely.

hulmey · Post by **hulmey** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:47 pm

i agree with dim...lets c some stone bridges and if they arent good u can always change them back...

keep up the good work