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The NAACP adopted a resolution Tuesday condemning the Tea Party movement as racist, despite claims from Tea Partiers that the measure is just a political ploy.

The nation's leading civil rights group took up the language at its annual convention in Kansas City, Mo. The resolution was expected to say the NAACP would "repudiate the racism of the Tea Parties" and stand against the movement's attempt to "push our country back to the pre-civil rights era," though the exact wording of the final resolution wasn't immediately available.

Hilary Shelton, senior vice president of advocacy and policy for the NAACP, said the group has serious concerns about Tea Party behavior. He referenced an incident in March when Tea Party protesters allegedly hurled racial epithets at black lawmakers on Capitol Hill ahead of a health care vote.

"The Tea Party needs to denounce those racist elements within the Tea Party," Shelton told Fox News.

But Tea Party members have challenged claims that their activists accosted black lawmakers in March and no visual evidence has been produced depicting a racist attack. Dallas Tea Party founder Phillip Dennis said "there was no proof" of racist behavior at the event and that the movement welcomes minority members.

"We don't care about the pigment of one's skin," he said. Dennis accused the NAACP of playing the "race card" and called the organization "irrelevant."

The nearby St. Louis Tea Party had an all-hands-on-deck response to the NAACP's plan. The group has drafted a resolution of its own condemning the civil rights group for reducing itself to a "bigoted" and "partisan attack dog organization."

In a matter of hours, the St. Louis group fired off to the NAACP the statement demanding the organization withdraw its "bigoted, false and inflammatory" resolution. The missive accused the NAACP of resorting to political tactics and urged the IRS to reconsider whether it can continue to qualify for tax-exempt status.

Tea Party organizers routinely defend themselves against charges of racism, disavowing racially charged signs that appear in their protest crowds and provide fodder for Tea Party critics. The NAACP resolution, first reported by the Kansas City Star, was expected to make reference to the March incident on Capitol Hill.

St. Louis Tea Party organizer Bill Hennessy wrote on the group's website Tuesday that the Tea Party stands for smaller government and fiscal responsibility, and accused the NAACP of abandoning black America.

"When you look at the crime and poverty and family breakdown of the African-American community ... you see a half-century of failure by the NAACP," he wrote. "None of those persistent problems was caused by the Tea Party movement, yet the principles of the Tea Party are exactly what's needed to wind down the multigenerational destruction in the African-American community.

"The NAACP was once a vital weapon in the war against segregation and oppression. All that's left is a bigoted and malicious shell that does far more harm than good for people who need a break," he wrote.

Fellow St. Louis Tea Party organizer Dana Loesch accused the NAACP of morphing into a political organization.

"They no longer prioritize civil rights," she told Fox News.
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Looks like the NAACP is again more concerned about claiming people are racist without proof and being an attack organization for the Democrats. Maybe they should be more concerned about showing disapproval of the New Black Panthers who want to "kill cracker babies". At least that would be real racism that's condemned.
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I guess you can only stand up for your rights if you are "colored".....Ohhhh, ok, I'm starting to get it now!

How does the NAACP ignore this?

Interestingly, I work with a lot of Mexicans and Mexican-Americans. They all know I am with the tea party, as I have a Gadsden sticker on my personal vehicle and my work vehicle. Not a single one has ever given me any crap, and I guarantee you if you asked every single one of them, the large majority would tell you I would be the absolute last one to be a racist. (Mostly because I am the only white guy that will get my hands dirty helping them)

My overall point is, here, in the real world and at my job, everyone knows about the tea party (because of MEE and a couple other co-workers) and they all know it is not a racist uprising, because they know me and the other guys are the furthest thing from racist.

The racism only exists on the airwaves of the toxic-wasteland we call "the media". Racism is a human disease, and there is no such thing as good racism.
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Night Strike wrote:The NAACP adopted a resolution Tuesday condemning the Tea Party movement as racist, despite claims from Tea Partiers that the measure is just a political ploy.
The Tea Party moaning about 'political ploys'... that's a bit rich isn't it?

And by 'rich', I obviously mean 'absurdly hypocritical'.

Night Strike wrote:"The Tea Party needs to denounce those racist elements within the Tea Party," Shelton told Fox News.
Do you think that people shouldn't be denouncing the racist elements within the Tea Party?

Would you rather people turned a blind eye to them, or maybe even supported them?

Night Strike wrote:"We don't care about the pigment of one's skin," he said. Dennis accused the NAACP of playing the "race card"
Very interesting 'Dennis'.

Remind me which card Tea Party people were playing when they waved signs depicting Obama as a primitive witchdoctor with bones through his nose?

Night Strike wrote:The group has drafted a resolution of its own condemning the civil rights group for reducing itself to a "bigoted" and "partisan attack dog organization."
Ho ho ho.

Again, somewhat 'rich'.

Night Strike wrote:Looks like the NAACP is again more concerned about claiming people are racist without proof and being an attack organization for the Democrats.
However, if they were to substitute 'racist' with 'socialist/communist' and 'Democrats' for 'Republicans', then you'd probably think that they were stand-up guys, amirite?
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Phatscotty wrote:The racism only exists on the airwaves of the toxic-wasteland we call "the media". Racism is a human disease, and there is no such thing as good racism.
No such thing, ever? In the discrimination thread you said that discrimination can be okay in some situations. Racism is just a type of discrimination. What sets it apart from other types of discrimination?
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john9blue wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:The racism only exists on the airwaves of the toxic-wasteland we call "the media". Racism is a human disease, and there is no such thing as good racism.
No such thing, ever? In the discrimination thread you said that discrimination can be okay in some situations. Racism is just a type of discrimination. What sets it apart from other types of discrimination?
This is easy. Racism is believing that one's race sets them apart in some manner. Discrimination can apply to simply discriminating between one individual and another.
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I would like to read the NAACP message regarding this (specifically their denouncement), but I can't find it anywhere. I'm actually kind of surprised the NAACP would bother itself with the Tea Party and become as politically partisan as it appears to be. Does the NAACP denounce the entire Tea Party movement as racist or is it certain elements of the Tea Party movement?

My other question is whether the NAACP is going to denounce the comments by the affiliate of the Black Panther Party who apparently wants to kill cracker babies. Although, if the NAACP wants to be consistent, it should denounce the entire Black Panther Party and everyone affiliated with the Black Panther Party (assuming it has denounced the entire Tea Party movement and everyone affiliated with that movement).
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thegreekdog wrote:I would like to read the NAACP message regarding this (specifically their denouncement), but I can't find it anywhere. I'm actually kind of surprised the NAACP would bother itself with the Tea Party and become as politically partisan as it appears to be. Does the NAACP denounce the entire Tea Party movement as racist or is it certain elements of the Tea Party movement?

My other question is whether the NAACP is going to denounce the comments by the affiliate of the Black Panther Party who apparently wants to kill cracker babies. Although, if the NAACP wants to be consistent, it should denounce the entire Black Panther Party and everyone affiliated with the Black Panther Party (assuming it has denounced the entire Tea Party movement and everyone affiliated with that movement).
... They are denouncing the "racist elements" only.

... Of course that word, "elements", flies right over the head of most.

... I saw a good link on this yesterday, I'll hunt for it.

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Nobunaga wrote:... They are denouncing the "racist elements" only.

... Of course that word, "elements", flies right over the head of most.

... I saw a good link on this yesterday, I'll hunt for it.

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Hear here!

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King Doctor wrote:
Night Strike wrote:"The Tea Party needs to denounce those racist elements within the Tea Party," Shelton told Fox News.
Do you think that people shouldn't be denouncing the racist elements within the Tea Party?

Would you rather people turned a blind eye to them, or maybe even supported them?
The few and far between racist elements HAVE been denounced by the Tea Party. When the NAACP uses evidence from a situation that never happened (shouting racial epithets at Congressmen), it greatly calls into question whether they are sincere in their action or just being political. By choosing to cite falsehoods in condemning the Tea Party, the NAACP is ignoring blatant racism by the New Black Panthers. Maybe they should focus on real racism, not trumped up political attacks.
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Night Strike wrote:By choosing to cite falsehoods in condemning the Tea Party, the NAACP is ignoring blatant racism by the New Black Panthers.
This doesn't logically follow at all.
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Woodruff wrote:
Night Strike wrote:By choosing to cite falsehoods in condemning the Tea Party, the NAACP is ignoring blatant racism by the New Black Panthers.
This doesn't logically follow at all.
NAACP is too busy developing conclusions based on falsehoods about the Tea Party as opposed to developing conclusions about confirmed comments by the New Black Panthers. It's political posturing, not calling out racism.
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Night Strike wrote:The few and far between racist elements HAVE been denounced by the Tea Party.
So one would have thought that you'd welcome this cry of confirmation from the NAACP as a good thing.

But oh no, it appears that you have some kind of axe to grind with them, so suddenly their denouncing of racism is not ok with you.

Night Strike wrote:When the NAACP uses evidence from a situation that never happened (shouting racial epithets at Congressmen), it greatly calls into question whether they are sincere in their action or just being political.
Excuse me, but before you start decrying the NAACP as liars, do you think that you could just give us a quick link to the NAACP actually citing this incident? Once we're there, perhaps you'd like to just give us a quick run through of what evidence you have that their claim is false?

Because so far as I can tell, at the moment you're just shouting "Nuh huh! I bet that never happened! I like those guys!! You Liars!!!" and refusing to actually engage with the real issues.

Night Strike wrote:the NAACP is ignoring blatant racism by the New Black Panthers.
Sorry, but trying to redirect the issue isn't really going to wash here.

Just because the NAACP isn't simultaneously decrying all racists, does not mean that its criticisms of some racists aren't entirely justified.

Simply because other racists exist elsewhere, does not make the racism which originates from many Tea Party members OK.
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Night Strike wrote:The few and far between racist elements HAVE been denounced by the Tea Party.
So one would have thought that you'd welcome this cry of confirmation from the NAACP as a good thing.

But oh no, it appears that you have some kind of axe to grind with them, so suddenly their denouncing of racism is not ok with you.
They made trumped up cases of racism and denounced them. That's a political attack.

Night Strike wrote:When the NAACP uses evidence from a situation that never happened (shouting racial epithets at Congressmen), it greatly calls into question whether they are sincere in their action or just being political.
Excuse me, but before you start decrying the NAACP as liars, do you think that you could just give us a quick link to the NAACP actually citing this incident? Once we're there, perhaps you'd like to just give us a quick run through of what evidence you have that their claim is false?

Because so far as I can tell, at the moment you're just shouting "Nuh huh! I bet that never happened! I like those guys!! You Liars!!!" and refusing to actually engage with the real issues.
The incident never happened. There was media all over the place because the Democratic leadership requested their presence as they marched up to Congress to rub their pending health care victory in the face of the protesters. One black legislator claimed racist comments were shouted at him, including being called a nigger over a dozen times by the same number of voices. There were also accusations of being spat on. This happened in March. If these really happened, why did none of the media recorders pick it up? Andrew Breitbart has put up a $100,000 reward for anyone who can produce legitimate video of these claims, but in 4 months, no one has. It never happened, but the NAACP claimed it as fact.
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Night Strike wrote:They made trumped up cases of racism and denounced them. That's a political attack.
Still no proof? What a 'surprise'.

Night Strike wrote:The incident never happened. There was media all over the place because the Democratic leadership requested their presence as they marched up to Congress to rub their pending health care victory in the face of the protesters. One black legislator claimed racist comments were shouted at him, including being called a nigger over a dozen times by the same number of voices. There were also accusations of being spat on.
Are you calling that legislator a liar?

Do you have proof that this incident did not occur? All you need is footage of him walking unmolested in front of the protestors? If all of this media was around, then why haven't they come forward to denounce these claims as falsehoods? This isn't the first time that they have been made.

At any rate, this is all just a complete sideshow argument. You're picking up on one tiny aspect of the NAACP's complaint about the Tea Party and attempting to make the entire issue rise and fall upon it.

Regardless of the spitting incident, there are still very serious matters such as the 'Witchdoctor Placards' to be taken into account; which give a very strong backing to the NAACP's claims that the Tea Party has many racist members.
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King Doctor wrote:Are you calling that legislator a liar?

Do you have proof that this incident did not occur? All you need is footage of him walking unmolested in front of the protestors? If all of this media was around, then why haven't they come forward to denounce these claims as falsehoods? This isn't the first time that they have been made.
Yes, I'm calling him a liar. Shouldn't the burden of proof be on the accuser to substantiate their claims of racial epithets? The legislator claimed it happened in a very public place with a ton of media present, yet none have come forth showing that it happened. It's amazing how as soon as one is called racist, they have to prove their own innocence rather than being proven guilty by the accuser.
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So, despite me already pointing out why you saying all of that is, to be blunt, irrelevant; you still chose to make it the soul issue that your post addressed and failed to respond to all of my other points.


Let's just cut to the chase here; you don't seriously think that the Tea Party isn't home to a large number of racists, you're just trying to find a tiny flaw in the latest statement of that fact and make a lot of noise about it in an attempt to distract people from the real issue at hand.

What is that real issue? That the Tea Party is a platform from which racists and bigots frequently spout racially motivated vitriol.
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King Doctor wrote:So, despite me already pointing out why you saying all of that is, to be blunt, irrelevant; you still chose to make it the soul issue that your post addressed and failed to respond to all of my other points.


Let's just cut to the chase here; you don't seriously think that the Tea Party isn't home to a large number of racists, you're just trying to find a tiny flaw in the latest statement of that fact and make a lot of noise about it in an attempt to distract people from the real issue at hand.

What is that real issue? That the Tea Party is a platform from which racists and bigots frequently spout racially motivated vitriol.
No, the real issue is that there have been many minority speakers (blacks, hispanics, others) at Tea Party rallies all over the country, yet because those minorities are conservatives, they don't get recognized by the NAACP. Instead, the NAACP focuses on the very few racist people that are in the crowd and the cite racist incidents that never happened. If you want a platform for racially motivate vitriol, you won't find it in the Tea Party. I'd recommend looking at the New Black Panthers, La Raza, and Black Liberation Theology.
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Night Strike wrote:No, the real issue is that there have been many minority speakers (blacks, hispanics, others) at Tea Party rallies all over the country, yet because those minorities are conservatives, they don't get recognized by the NAACP.
The NAACP's comments have literally nothing to do with those speakers, nor do they deny their existance.
Night Strike wrote:Instead, the NAACP focuses on the very few racist people that are in the crowd and the cite racist incidents that never happened.
Regardless of their numbers (and given the fact that they have managed to upstage the main thrust of Tea Party events time and time again, suggesting that their number is not so small as you shrilly protest) are you seriously disagreeing with the NAACP's central message that they represent a minority who ought to be publicily and vocally denouced?

That's ultimately what they're saying here, are you really disagreeing with it? Don't you think that racist nutters at Tea Party rallies ought to be repeatedly told that they aren't welcome? Don't you think that, especially given the level of criticism it has attracted for harbouring racists, the Tea Party ought to be making this extremely clear at all of its rallies?

Night Strike wrote:I'd recommend looking at the New Black Panthers, La Raza, and Black Liberation Theology.
Yes yes, we all know that you want to try to divert the topic and talk about somebody (anybody) else's racism. But their racism doesn't make yours ok, and people in glass-houses shouldn't be throwing stones.

Before you can moan about their alleged acts of racism, you have to put your own house in order.



So tell us, 'Nightstrike', are you really disagreeing with the NAACPs statement that racists ought to be unequivocally told that they are not welcome at the Tea Party?
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Night Strike wrote:Instead, the NAACP focuses on the very few racist people that are in the crowd and the cite racist incidents that never happened.
Regardless of their numbers (and given the fact that they have managed to upstage the main thrust of Tea Party events time and time again, suggesting that their number is not so small as you shrilly protest) are you seriously disagreeing with the NAACP's central message that they represent a minority who ought to be publicily and vocally denouced?
The only reason they "upstage" Tea Party events is because that's what Democrats and the media choose to show. They don't show the countless people of all races who disagree with the policies of the Democrats. Anytime they bring up the Tea Party, they show footage of a few racist individuals and use that to paint the whole event as racist. It's wrong, and people like you who continue to support those actions are race-baiting.
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Night Strike wrote:Anytime they bring up the Tea Party, they show footage of a few racist individuals and use that to paint the whole event as racist. It's wrong, and people like you who continue to support those actions are race-baiting.
Did you know this tactic is probably equally used by everyone, on every side, in the world? No one doesn't do this.


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Night Strike wrote:They don't show the countless people of all races who disagree with the policies of the Democrats.
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King Doctor wrote:
Night Strike wrote:Instead, the NAACP focuses on the very few racist people that are in the crowd and the cite racist incidents that never happened.
Regardless of their numbers (and given the fact that they have managed to upstage the main thrust of Tea Party events time and time again, suggesting that their number is not so small as you shrilly protest) are you seriously disagreeing with the NAACP's central message that they represent a minority who ought to be publicily and vocally denouced?
The only reason they "upstage" Tea Party events is because that's what Democrats and the media choose to show. They don't show the countless people of all races who disagree with the policies of the Democrats. Anytime they bring up the Tea Party, they show footage of a few racist individuals and use that to paint the whole event as racist. It's wrong, and people like you who continue to support those actions are race-baiting.
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Sorry Spurge, but I think it's abundantly clear that Nighty isn't actually interested in taking notice of nuance or in actually addressing the points that people debating with him make. All he wants to do is throw a tantrum and whine about his, entirely spurious and fictitious, greivance that people are calling Every Single Tea Partier In The World a racist.

The sad fact of the matter is that he's so obsessed with attempting to paint a picture of a world conspiring against his beloved movement, that he's not even willing to concede that he finds racism reprehensible and wishes that he didn't have to share an organisation with a malicious and racially motivated fringe.
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"When you look at the crime and poverty and family breakdown of the African-American community ... you see a half-century of failure by the NAACP," he wrote. "None of those persistent problems was caused by the Tea Party movement, yet the principles of the Tea Party are exactly what's needed to wind down the multigenerational destruction in the African-American community.
Wow, is that prick actually suggesting that the main reason the poor are poor is because they don't balance budgets properly? What a douche.
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john9blue wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:The racism only exists on the airwaves of the toxic-wasteland we call "the media". Racism is a human disease, and there is no such thing as good racism.
No such thing, ever? In the discrimination thread you said that discrimination can be okay in some situations. Racism is just a type of discrimination. What sets it apart from other types of discrimination?
sorrry, no, not no such thing, ever....just the specific example of allaged racism noted in the thread against the Tea Party...

In the other thread, I believe you are referring to my statement of "discriminating against criminals"? How do you equate a similarity between a statement about discriminating against people who choose to commit a crime, and being racist solely based on the color of one's skin?

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