Conqueror's Cup 2010. Winners Knights of the round table !!

[lordnex]

I think August is the month when most people are on vacation, but not sure if waiting till September wouldn't be too much..

[josko.ri]

I think it may start the earliest 1st of August. optional may be 15th of August, because lot of people will be on summer holydays in July/August.

[OlJock99]

European holiday.....BAH!! The show must go on!!!!

(yes, I'm jealous)

[Chariot of Fire]

Just say 1st August will be the date you send out the deadlines for creating/joining games (which could be 15th August or whatever other date you choose). That's three weeks + two weeks which I'm sure is ample time to give everyone a break and get prepared for the semis.

[Hamanu]

I'm having a hard time finding the answer in the various threads so I'll just ask here:

Is CC counted as a clan challenge?

[Chuuuuck]

I'm having a hard time finding the answer in the various threads so I'll just ask here:

Is CC counted as a clan challenge?

Yes, each round was designed to meet the current criteria of what is accepted as a clan war. So all games in the Conqueror's cup should count as a clan war.

[Hamanu]

Thanks, we were having this debate within the clan and ideas floated around that CC was not counted, nor was it to be listed in the clan challenge results thread.

[niMic]

Personally I think the Conquerors Cup is a good step towards organizing and standardizing the Clan community, and hopefully eventually completely make away with normal, one on one, clan challenges.

[Chuuuuck]

Personally I think the Conquerors Cup is a good step towards organizing and standardizing the Clan community, and hopefully eventually completely make away with normal, one on one, clan challenges.

I do agree with this statement. Whereas turning any one on one challenges outside of competitions into practice challenges or challenges for pride. However, this is a discussion for the CLA thread and in the meantime I will just keep running the conqueror's cup as often as clans wish to partake in it.

[Hamanu]

If Conqueror's Cup were to be made regular, we could adopt the FIFA ranking formula that has a scoring system in which the "world cup" brings a lot of points, whereas regular challenges would be like friendly games. And we'd have a standard, tried and true scoring system that might do away with constant complaints.

But that's a debate for the CLA

[freakns]

If Conqueror's Cup were to be made regular, we could adopt the FIFA ranking formula that has a scoring system in which the "world cup" brings a lot of points, whereas regular challenges would be like friendly games. And we'd have a standard, tried and true scoring system that might do away with constant complaints.

But that's a debate for the CLA

standings again?!

[pmchugh]

If Conqueror's Cup were to be made regular, we could adopt the FIFA ranking formula that has a scoring system in which the "world cup" brings a lot of points, whereas regular challenges would be like friendly games. And we'd have a standard, tried and true scoring system that might do away with constant complaints.

But that's a debate for the CLA

Unfortunately fifa rankings are pretty crap

[Georgerx7di]

If Conqueror's Cup were to be made regular, we could adopt the FIFA ranking formula that has a scoring system in which the "world cup" brings a lot of points, whereas regular challenges would be like friendly games. And we'd have a standard, tried and true scoring system that might do away with constant complaints.

But that's a debate for the CLA

Unfortunately fifa rankings are pretty crap

Just a word. Ranking teams is 1,000 times harder that it looks. There is no simple equation, and the tough equations don't work well either. No one is happy with fifa or bcs or any of those. I had put some time into looking over our ranking system here for clans, and there is simply no easy way to do it, at least as far as I could see.

As for the cup, great tournament, shaping up to be a fun finish, nice work empire guys : )

[pmchugh]

If Conqueror's Cup were to be made regular, we could adopt the FIFA ranking formula that has a scoring system in which the "world cup" brings a lot of points, whereas regular challenges would be like friendly games. And we'd have a standard, tried and true scoring system that might do away with constant complaints.

But that's a debate for the CLA

Unfortunately fifa rankings are pretty crap

Just a word. Ranking teams is 1,000 times harder that it looks. There is no simple equation, and the tough equations don't work well either. No one is happy with fifa or bcs or any of those. I had put some time into looking over our ranking system here for clans, and there is simply no easy way to do it, at least as far as I could see.

As for the cup, great tournament, shaping up to be a fun finish, nice work empire guys : )

Tottally agree with everything said

[White Moose]

This idea came to mind.

Get rid of the current CLA. Change it up to make it the same kind of challanges as the Conquerors Cup. Where all clans meet eachother. With the Conquerors Cup as the final. Where your ranking in the League gives you the seeding in CC.

That would be amazing, if you ask me.

[josko.ri]

This idea came to mind.

Get rid of the current CLA. Change it up to make it the same kind of challanges as the Conquerors Cup. Where all clans meet eachother. With the Conquerors Cup as the final. Where your ranking in the League gives you the seeding in CC.

That would be amazing, if you ask me.

I dont agree. better is having 2 competitions than only 1. my suggestion is that CC stays cup, but Clan league becames really league (without playoff), not cup. so then we would have both clan cup competition and clan league competition, which is better than having only 1 competition. I dont agree with playoff in something what is called "League". if it is league, then let s play it like league format. if it is cup then let s play it like cup format. the best solution is having both league and cup competition.

[White Moose]

This idea came to mind.

Get rid of the current CLA. Change it up to make it the same kind of challanges as the Conquerors Cup. Where all clans meet eachother. With the Conquerors Cup as the final. Where your ranking in the League gives you the seeding in CC.

That would be amazing, if you ask me.

I dont agree. better is having 2 competitions than only 1. my suggestion is that CC stays cup, but Clan league becames really league (without playoff), not cup. so then we would have both clan cup competition and clan league competition, which is better than having only 1 competition. I dont agree with playoff in something what is called "League". if it is league, then let s play it like league format. if it is cup then let s play it like cup format. the best solution is having both league and cup competition.

Yes, i'd prefer having both aswell. But if both were to be "upgraded" to the size of the current CC type of challanges, some clans may have problems with that. Since it could require them to play 2x 40-game challanges simultaniously. Which could be a problem.

Let's not turn this thread into a discussion which doesn't involve the current CC though (Although i've kinda helped doing that already... xD)

[josko.ri]

League then may be best of 8 (like it is now) or best of 10 per match.

another interesting idea came to my mind. if 2 different clans become winners of conqueror's cup and clan league then these clans may play supercup match (best of 80 or 60) which will decide who is the ultimate winner of that season.

[freakns]

League then may be best of 8 (like it is now) or best of 10 per match.

another interesting idea came to my mind. if 2 different clans become winners of conqueror's cup and clan league then these clans may play supercup match (best of 80 or 60) which will decide who is the ultimate winner of that season.

stupid idea. CLA is basically 16 games clan challenge where half of the games are doubles, and we have situation where one clan have same team for every doubles, while CC is 40(and later 60) games challenge where no one can play more then 1/3 of the games. simple incomparable.

[josko.ri]

League then may be best of 8 (like it is now) or best of 10 per match.

another interesting idea came to my mind. if 2 different clans become winners of conqueror's cup and clan league then these clans may play supercup match (best of 80 or 60) which will decide who is the ultimate winner of that season.

stupid idea. CLA is basically 16 games clan challenge where half of the games are doubles, and we have situation where one clan have same team for every doubles, while CC is 40(and later 60) games challenge where no one can play more then 1/3 of the games. simple incomparable.

maybe it is stupid but it is idea from competitions from real life. in almost every country teams plays both league (round robin, average 28-32 games) and cup (2 games, winner advance). no matter that these are 2 very different formats, at the end of the season they play supercup (often 1 match) if different winners is from league and cup, which is an extra trophy.
so, it is suggestion from real sports competitions, not something imaginare.

[waseemalim]

League then may be best of 8 (like it is now) or best of 10 per match.

another interesting idea came to my mind. if 2 different clans become winners of conqueror's cup and clan league then these clans may play supercup match (best of 80 or 60) which will decide who is the ultimate winner of that season.

stupid idea. CLA is basically 16 games clan challenge where half of the games are doubles, and we have situation where one clan have same team for every doubles, while CC is 40(and later 60) games challenge where no one can play more then 1/3 of the games. simple incomparable.

yes well, just because its theoretically possible to put the same team doesnt mean that people do that very often. There may be other reasons for not making these comparable, but this is a rather weak point imo.

[pmchugh]

I reckon its a fair idea, though I would defo like to see some changes to the clan league and a tweak to the CC.

In my opinion:

Clan League:
Limit number of games a player can play per week, to say 2/3.
Reduce impact of doubles, 50% down to 33%.
All the top clans in one division.
No playoffs.

I don't know what season 3 will be like at all, but that is what i hope.

CC:
Make things non-negotiable between clans, and start the "tiebreak" at the very start of the challenge.

As for a supercup style challenge between the winners, why not as long as both clans have time for it.

[Chuuuuck]

I reckon its a fair idea, though I would defo like to see some changes to the clan league and a tweak to the CC.

In my opinion:

Clan League:
Limit number of games a player can play per week, to say 2/3.
Reduce impact of doubles, 50% down to 33%.
All the top clans in one division.
No playoffs.

I don't know what season 3 will be like at all, but that is what i hope.

CC:
Make things non-negotiable between clans, and start the "tiebreak" at the very start of the challenge.

As for a supercup style challenge between the winners, why not as long as both clans have time for it.

I agree with the suggestions for the cup. Things will be non negotiable next time more than likely. Although I don't think we have had any real problems with it this time around. Only a couple of minor things were even done differently that both clans agreed on.

Also, I agree. More time/thought will go into the tiebreaker system and we will figure out a way to get it done faster so it doesn't slow everything down.

[waseemalim]

League then may be best of 8 (like it is now) or best of 10 per match.

another interesting idea came to my mind. if 2 different clans become winners of conqueror's cup and clan league then these clans may play supercup match (best of 80 or 60) which will decide who is the ultimate winner of that season.

stupid idea. CLA is basically 16 games clan challenge where half of the games are doubles, and we have situation where one clan have same team for every doubles, while CC is 40(and later 60) games challenge where no one can play more then 1/3 of the games. simple incomparable.

yes well, just because its theoretically possible to put the same team doesnt mean that people do that very often. There may be other reasons for not making these comparable, but this is a rather weak point imo.

also, want to take this opportunity to point out that I personally feel this maximum game limit is a pathetic waste of time. Firstly, if someone does want to take on 40 games, we should let them -- imo the burnout would be pretty high. The fact is, as you spread yourself across many games, you become ineffective, and that a clan simply can not win without depth. Secondly, people can quite easily determine the strategy of a particular game without being in the game -- it shouldnt take any more time and effort than actually playing the game.

[freakns]

League then may be best of 8 (like it is now) or best of 10 per match.

another interesting idea came to my mind. if 2 different clans become winners of conqueror's cup and clan league then these clans may play supercup match (best of 80 or 60) which will decide who is the ultimate winner of that season.

stupid idea. CLA is basically 16 games clan challenge where half of the games are doubles, and we have situation where one clan have same team for every doubles, while CC is 40(and later 60) games challenge where no one can play more then 1/3 of the games. simple incomparable.

maybe it is stupid but it is idea from competitions from real life. in almost every country teams plays both league (round robin, average 28-32 games) and cup (2 games, winner advance). no matter that these are 2 very different formats, at the end of the season they play supercup (often 1 match) if different winners is from league and cup, which is an extra trophy.
so, it is suggestion from real sports competitions, not something imaginare.

yeah, i know its rl situation. also, in rl nobody gives a rats ass about those super cups. as in footy, we all know who is CL winner while many doesnt even know there is super cup. not to mention, those super cups are played before next season starts, with completely different rosters.

League then may be best of 8 (like it is now) or best of 10 per match.

another interesting idea came to my mind. if 2 different clans become winners of conqueror's cup and clan league then these clans may play supercup match (best of 80 or 60) which will decide who is the ultimate winner of that season.

stupid idea. CLA is basically 16 games clan challenge where half of the games are doubles, and we have situation where one clan have same team for every doubles, while CC is 40(and later 60) games challenge where no one can play more then 1/3 of the games. simple incomparable.

yes well, just because its theoretically possible to put the same team doesnt mean that people do that very often. There may be other reasons for not making these comparable, but this is a rather weak point imo.

also, want to take this opportunity to point out that I personally feel this maximum game limit is a pathetic waste of time. Firstly, if someone does want to take on 40 games, we should let them -- imo the burnout would be pretty high. The fact is, as you spread yourself across many games, you become ineffective, and that a clan simply can not win without depth. Secondly, people can quite easily determine the strategy of a particular game without being in the game -- it shouldnt take any more time and effort than actually playing the game.

while i didnt had this much work, i had around 70-80 active games. all against good teams as i dont play public games. and i had 3000+ points with 50+% success in team games... so yeah, 40 games can easily be managed by one person while being efficient. not to mention, if i play in doubles with lordnex, we dont even talk, no need. and you may look through CL or CC how efficient we are.
and of course you can determine strategy in game you arent even in, but why on earth would you do that?!