150 After Hijrah: The Battle for God

[the.killing.44]

has anyone really ever been as far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?????

EDIT: We're just saying you shouldn't flaunt updates in our faces and then when there is feedback on the wrong map say it's our fault for not digging through 10 pages.

[Raskholnikov]

No one threw anything in your faces. One guy commented that he liked the top picture. We simply replied we are working on a new draft. Then Incandeza started to harass us and succeeded in turning again this thread into an unpleasant place to be. And you guys in blue are allowing him to do so because "it seems" that there is some kind of unwritten foundry guideline prohibiting us from using it for communication and development purposes unless we have some kind on undefined-standards "next finished draft" to post. Well too bad. I'm not playing by group harrassement for unknown and unwritten rules according to unknowable standards except to the "in-crowd" who thinks it has the right to harass others. End of story. Any further posts on this topic will be ignored unless you come up with written Foundry guideline materials supporting your clams.

[porkenbeans]

has anyone really ever been as far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?????

-translation please.

[the.killing.44]

has anyone really ever been as far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?????

-translation please.

lol, Google it.

[porkenbeans]

has anyone really ever been as far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?????

-translation please.

lol, Google it.

Google what ?
-I do not understand your English.

[natty dread]

Can I see that guideline written down somewhere please? Why exactly are we being harassed on this? Do you really have to impose such rigid procedural uniformity for no reason at all and deny people the right to actually communicate as they wish? Just why are we simply not allowed to have some fun without being attacked all the time? Are you people really incapable of leaving us be??? Until I can see it written in black and white, in the Foundry gudielines, that cartographers are prohibited from using their own map thread for communication and development purrposes other than posting a fully finished draft (which must be defined as to what it should include to be considered finished) I will use this thread as I wish whilst remaining within the Foundry written guidelines - and ignore all those who have made it their purpose to post here just to poison the atmosphere. I couldn't care less what you think. If I am within the guidelines, if I am breaking no accepted rules as evidenced in writing, then I am perfectly entitled to proceed as I see appropriate. If you don't like it, stay out of this thread.

Raskholnikov, no offense but now you're just being a huge dick.

Porkenbeans already stated that he would have no problem working over PM:s. Why are you making this into an issue? Just to be stubborn and piss everyone off? That's no way to get support for your map, you know.

Just so you know, you're not being singled out in any way. When me and isaiah started working on the Lunar War map, we were also asked to keep our development-discussion to PM:s so it wouldn't clutter the thread. We complied with that and everyone was happy with it.

If you want people to support your map, you can't just tell everyone "f*ck you, I do things my way, if you don't like it stay out of my thread" because you'll just end up alienating everyone. Then you and pork will be alone in this thread posting drafts back and forth.

Lastly, I'm not saying these things to be mean or offensive towards you. I simply wouldn't like to see this project fail again because you're unwilling to make compromises.

[the.killing.44]

http://tinyurl.com/2d8evzc

I am done and I agree with natty.

[natty dread]

http://tinyurl.com/2d8evzc

I am done and I agree with natty.

Haha, that LMGTFY site is awesome. Thanks for that killing, goes straight to my bookmarks

[Raskholnikov]

You’ve got to be kidding me! I’ve been further even more decided to use even go need to do look more as anyone can. Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that??? My guess is that when one really been far even as decided once to use even go want, it is then that he has really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like. It’s just common sense!

[theBastard]

it is very confusing when more mapmakers working on map over thread. what is bad on communication by PM? only what could be bad is posting pictures of new map. guys save our time and energy, because everybody who has interest will look at thread when it shows there is something new. and bah, nothing for us, just communication between you (Raskholnikov, Pork).

maybe you could change name of thread to something as "150 After Hijrah: The Battle for God - no news now", "150 After Hijrah: The Battle for God - for Raskholnikov and Porkenbeans only", "150 After Hijrah: The Battle for God - closed to finish version"...

[Raskholnikov]

Then don't read it. Go get your rank up and leave this thread alone. No one forces you to be here.

You guys are all truly annoying; you put your noses into everything that really has nothing to do with you; you look for trouble when there isn't any; you try to control everything and anything just to show who's calling the shots; and you take all pleasure out of doing anything constructive and positive on this site. It's either play by your unwritten and non-sensical rules or subjection to group harrasment and bullying.

I have nothing but contempt for such attitudes. Close this thread for violating Foundry rules if you want; I will continue working as I see fit and ignore you all from now on. And if that means this map is never "approved", so be it. Your loss, not mine. I have no psychological need to see my work actually "live" on this site. I am happy just to work with pork and develop the map, even if it is never played on.

So if you want to be positive and constructive and help us coming up with something cool, you're more than welcome to contribute. If you just want to bully and harrass and annoy and show who's boss, you will be ignored.

[Incandenza]

So if you want to be positive and constructive and help us coming up with something cool, you're more than welcome to contribute. If you just want to bully and harrass and annoy and show who's boss, you will be ignored.

I think the point that everyone trying to make (that you seem congenitally incapable of absorbing) is that you are making it more difficult for people to be positive and constructive. It would literally take you five minutes a go to keep the first post updated. And to be honest, if you're not intending to develop this map for live play, then why not go to the cartographer's guild and do maps there?

You come off with an attitude that the rules don't apply to you, and you always seem to demand that people quote chapter and verse for something as ludicrously intuitive and simple as keeping your thread properly sorted. Practically every mapmaker has no problem keeping their first posts updated, so what's your excuse?

And there's no goddamn good reason to go off on theBastard, he's been as supportive of your endeavors as anyone. The foundry is a collaborative medium, and your distressing penchant for completely freaking out every time someone posts something other than "this map is amazing" rather contradicts the core ethos of this forum.

[theBastard]

And there's no goddamn good reason to go off on theBastard, he's been as supportive of your endeavors as anyone. The foundry is a collaborative medium, and your distressing penchant for completely freaking out every time someone posts something other than "this map is amazing" rather contradicts the core ethos of this forum.

thanks Incandenza. you did understand what I meant - yes I had interest for this map and I tried to help with some notices. I wanted to help also with my post about communication. Raskholnikov your mind is too closed, try open it also for others ideas.

and your notice: "Then don't read it. Go get your rank up and leave this thread alone. No one forces you to be here." is stupid and big headed.

[theBastard]

And there's no goddamn good reason to go off on theBastard, he's been as supportive of your endeavors as anyone. The foundry is a collaborative medium, and your distressing penchant for completely freaking out every time someone posts something other than "this map is amazing" rather contradicts the core ethos of this forum.

thanks Incandenza. you did understand what I meant - yes I had interest for this map and I tried to help with some notices. I wanted to help also with my post about communication. Raskholnikov your mind is too closed, try open it also for others ideas.

and your notice: "Then don't read it. Go get your rank up and leave this thread alone. No one forces you to be here." is stupid and big headed.

[Industrial Helix]

And to be honest, if you're not intending to develop this map for live play, then why not go to the cartographer's guild and do maps there?

Is this map intended for live play on CC?

[natty dread]

Raskholnikov....

Your posts make me sad.

[natty dread]

From foundry guidelines:

These are the basics which are needed when posting map updates to help make your development thread as easy to understand and follow as possible:

1. Post image links in [bigimg] tags.
2. List what you have changed for this update.
3. List what is on your To Do list
4. List points that you feel need attention for discussion.
5. In addition to posting your update at the end of the thread, please keep the first post of the map thread up to date: The "first post" should always reflect the most current version of the map, and the title should include the date and page number of the most recent update.

These basic points will give a community member the information they need to best give feedback on your map, whether they have been regularly following your map, or are reviewing it for the first time.

[paulk]

The map on the first page, fucking beautiful!!!
I just love the perspective, and it will be one of the few maps I will play with interest. Might even become a new favorite, and I am helluva picky.
I think a map has to have beauty as well as brilliance. Just as a woman. And this map is beautiful.

Click image to enlarge.

Thank you so much paulk for the fine revue. I too liked that version a lot. But Rast is the Director on this project, and he has a different vision. I hope that I can make him happy with this latest version, and maybe you will like it as well. Fingers crossed, and please stay tuned.

I also liked the color pallette and the symbols on the map at the top. However, I had a big problem with the land borders, which are utterly distorted, and the darkness of the map which makes the roads and symbols almost unreadable - and that. on the large version!

Let's see what the next draft looks like and how we can get to something that is visually as nice as the top map but more accurate and clearer.

Great work, Pork. I'm sure we'll come up with something really unique in the end!

I am getting sick and tired of all maps on CC that are ugly. I just thought this one was very beautiful, and therefore would be nice to play just because of that.
I don't agree on that every territory line has to be outlined in an extra fat bold neon color so you can see how it's connected. If it's enough so you can see it, thats good enough for me. Look at World 2.1 for example, I am mentioning it because it is my favorite map ans rather popular by others as well. On it there are quite a few region lines that could be more accurately defined, like the one between Sweden/Norway/Finland, that Greece Poland and Turkey are connected, that Chile and Peru are connected, and that Denmark and Sweden are not.

But that is part of the charm with a map, that it doesn't treat you like a child, explaining everything in big bright letters.

If anything you could try to make the lines between territories slightly more defined, but other than that I would prefer it before any other version.

Is it really too much to ask that you guys keep the first post updated, so that you don't waste people's time by forcing them to hint for the most recent draft?

I can just say that the first post can be updated now and then with drafts, or links to drafts, like a summary. But I am guilty too of not putting up every version on the first page.

[porkenbeans]

From foundry guidelines:

These are the basics which are needed when posting map updates to help make your development thread as easy to understand and follow as possible:

1. Post image links in [bigimg] tags.
2. List what you have changed for this update.
3. List what is on your To Do list
4. List points that you feel need attention for discussion.
5. In addition to posting your update at the end of the thread, please keep the first post of the map thread up to date: The "first post" should always reflect the most current version of the map, and the title should include the date and page number of the most recent update.

These basic points will give a community member the information they need to best give feedback on your map, whether they have been regularly following your map, or are reviewing it for the first time.

Natty,
What you and others have failed to realize is, that Rask IS working within the guidelines. If you look at the first post, you WILL see the current, and up to date version of this project. Why do you contend that it is not ?
Is it because you see other various versions, in the last couple of pages ?
I am sorry for your confusion.

This thread is intended to be used as a workshop. A place where anyone that is interested, can peek in, and contribute if they want, to the continuing development of the map. They can offer suggestions in the form of words, or illustrations.

The various versions that you are referring to, are only part of the inner workings, in our workshop. Once a change from the current draft at the beginning of this thread is approved, and adopted by Rask, THEN AT THAT TIME, THE FIRST POST WILL BE UPDATED

Rask is the director on this project. He is the one that decides what and when.

others should be able to understand that communication between co-mapmakers is essential. If you say that it is more proper for this to take place by PM, I am more than eager to do that. In my view, this moves a certain amount of the development, out from the view of the peanut gallery. I am in favor of this.

I can understand why Rask is getting perturbed. Instead of helping hands, Some are trying to give the orders. Stating things like "un-written" rules, and "intuitive" cognition. I have witnessed this same thing happen on just about every map that I have followed.

It is one thing, to kindly remind the mapmaker of a needed update, but it goes beyond being kind and helpful, when the reminder turns into an order.

So please, go ahead and give the reminder when you think that a update is needed, but just leave it at that. Do not stomp your feet, and derail the thread on issues of protocol.

The Mapmaker is deemed as the one, that decides what and when, an update is to be made.

Rask has already responded kindly, and respectively, that an update is in the works. Why do some of you demand that he do more ?

[Raskholnikov]

Thank you Natty.

The map currently at the top of the thread IS our latest version.

As soon as the next version, which is NOW being developed by pork and me, will be ready, it will immediately be posted at the top of the thread. Like Pork explained. I cannot post an update that does not yet exist.

Many thanks,

R

[Raskholnikov]

Yes Helix it is - if we are actually allowed to do the work rather than reply to spurious attacks.

[AndyDufresne]

Lets all play nice, or I will turn this van around, and no one will get their banana-flavored ice-cream cones, and we will not visit banana-land again.


--Andy

[Raskholnikov]

That's all I want. Thanks Andy.

[paulk]

now I got hungry.

[Raskholnikov]

The top of the thread has been updated with a preliminary working draft, for the reasons stated there.