NAACP Cries Racist at the Tea Party

[Phatscotty]

The racism only exists on the airwaves of the toxic-wasteland we call "the media". Racism is a human disease, and there is no such thing as good racism.

No such thing, ever? In the discrimination thread you said that discrimination can be okay in some situations. Racism is just a type of discrimination. What sets it apart from other types of discrimination?

This is easy. Racism is believing that one's race sets them apart in some manner. Discrimination can apply to simply discriminating between one individual and another.

Thanks. I don't understand how people take such strong positions knowing jack shit either...

[Phatscotty]

... They are denouncing the "racist elements" only.

... Of course that word, "elements", flies right over the head of most.

... I saw a good link on this yesterday, I'll hunt for it.

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Hear here!

Well said Nobunaga.

what are the racist elements? Ill ask doc since he totally agrees with the statement.

[Phatscotty]

Are you calling that legislator a liar?

Do you have proof that this incident did not occur? All you need is footage of him walking unmolested in front of the protestors? If all of this media was around, then why haven't they come forward to denounce these claims as falsehoods? This isn't the first time that they have been made.

Yes, I'm calling him a liar. Shouldn't the burden of proof be on the accuser to substantiate their claims of racial epithets? The legislator claimed it happened in a very public place with a ton of media present, yet none have come forth showing that it happened. It's amazing how as soon as one is called racist, they have to prove their own innocence rather than being proven guilty by the accuser.

Judging by the smiles on their faces...



There were cameras everywhere. There was one guy, who was yelling and shouting, with his hands in front of his mouth, and I did see some spit fly out. However, the legislator did not flinch or wipe it off. I don't know if it hit him. That was the only thing worth noting IMO from all the many tapes and videos I have seen. sorry, no shit bombs and peeing on people or no window smashing or molotov cocktails or cement blocks off bridges like the smelly protesters did here in 2008 RNC. AND the health care protestors were 100% provoked, as these legislators CHOSE to walk right through the crowd. The legislators did not take the tunnel that leads directly to the chamber, even against the wishes of their own security....HMM...The liberals did not get the tapes they wanted (cuz they were wrong about race being an issue in the first place) so they are making the shit up themselves...

I suppose it is possible they do have evidence of a racial slur and are holding onto it (which would show 100% that this is just a game to them), but they need to pump up the race issue (like true racist's do) first, and if they have the tapes, it will come out 1 month before elections...not a very genuine defense against the "racists"...

I do get a laugh that, even if they did have ONE GUY saying the N word, that somehow proved that millions of people are racist? That is about the most narrow minded thing I have ever heard in my entire life.

Also, how does the NAACP know the alleged name caller was a member of the Tea Party? How can the NAACP be so fucking stereotypical? Oh, I forgot, this is just about pumping racism and fear, and they need the Tea Party to perceived as racists.

Welcome to the "post-Change" elections!

[thegreekdog]

I would like to read the NAACP message regarding this (specifically their denouncement), but I can't find it anywhere. I'm actually kind of surprised the NAACP would bother itself with the Tea Party and become as politically partisan as it appears to be. Does the NAACP denounce the entire Tea Party movement as racist or is it certain elements of the Tea Party movement?

My other question is whether the NAACP is going to denounce the comments by the affiliate of the Black Panther Party who apparently wants to kill cracker babies. Although, if the NAACP wants to be consistent, it should denounce the entire Black Panther Party and everyone affiliated with the Black Panther Party (assuming it has denounced the entire Tea Party movement and everyone affiliated with that movement).

... They are denouncing the "racist elements" only.

... Of course that word, "elements", flies right over the head of most.

... I saw a good link on this yesterday, I'll hunt for it.

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Good... a non-issue then. I also denounce the racist elements of the Tea Party (and so do Tea Party members... there are some videos showing that).

[King Doctor]

Good... a non-issue then. I also denounce the racist elements of the Tea Party (and so do Tea Party members... there are some videos showing that).

Not to a Tea Party zealot who can't stand to see his beloved movement criticised in any way, shape or form.


Ironically, it's the people like that who do the most damage to it, by making it seem like some kind of kooky cult.

[tzor]

Not to a Tea Party zealot who can't stand to see his beloved movement criticised in any way, shape or form.

I am not a "Tea Party zealot" (I just love to drink tea ... green tea to be precise) but if you show me a real example of racism in the Tea Party I would be most happy to denounce it. If on the other hand, you are just diverting attention from a New Black Panther member who states that he wants to kill CRACKERS and their babies, I will just give you a justly deserved blank stare. I don't play that game anymore.

[King Doctor]

if you show me a real example of racism in the Tea Party I would be most happy to denounce it.

Good for you. The movement needs more people willing to publicly take precisely that stance, rather than turning a blind eye to the ills of an organisation that they want to be flawless.

On this point, we are in perfect accord.

If on the other hand, you are just diverting attention from a New Black Panther member who states that he wants to kill CRACKERS and their babies, I will just give you a justly deserved blank stare. I don't play that game anymore.

That has never been the purpose of the NAACP's statement.

The "but teh Black Panthers!!!" sideshow was brought up by Nightstrike, because he wanted to try to diver attention away from Tea Party members who had expressed hateful and racially motivated views.

It's why he's getting so many blank stares; because just like you, we don't play that game no more.

Again, we are in perfect accord.

[Night Strike]

The "but teh Black Panthers!!!" sideshow was brought up by Nightstrike, because he wanted to try to diver attention away from Tea Party members who had expressed hateful and racially motivated views.

Neither you nor the NAACP has brought up any examples of racially motivated comments, so there aren't any to denounce. I completely agree with tzor's stance (although I don't drink tea).

[AndyDufresne]

Down with the NAACP, evidently! I mean, what good could they do taking on such battles?


--Andy

[King Doctor]

Neither you nor the NAACP has brought up any examples of racially motivated comments, so there aren't any to denounce.

I think that I will call you 'Blind Strike' from now on. On account of the fact that you seem to be selectively blind to points that you don't want to agree with.


Again, I refer you to the widely reported 'witchdoctor placards' incident; on which you have continuously refused to comment

[Night Strike]

Neither you nor the NAACP has brought up any examples of racially motivated comments, so there aren't any to denounce.

I think that I will call you 'Blind Strike' from now on. On account of the fact that you seem to be selectively blind to points that you don't want to agree with.


Again, I refer you to the widely reported 'witchdoctor placards' incident; on which you have continuously refused to comment

Calling someone a witchdoctor is racist? I haven't heard that before. Either way, you haven't provided a citation of where/when it happened (video or picture).

[tzor]

The "but teh Black Panthers!!!" sideshow was brought up by Nightstrike, because he wanted to try to diver attention away from Tea Party members who had expressed hateful and racially motivated views.

He is not the first to bring this up, it's a standard on Fox. The basic argument is that in general the people who cry the most about racism tend to make the most racist statements themselves and tend to be very selective about racism. The liberal African American community has a number of extreeme bigots among them, not only throwing racial slurs at non African Americans but also at African Americans who are conservative. (The actual fact is they generally insult conservatives using racial terminology.)

I see this also in the pro-life / pro-choice debate. Take a gander at the marches on both sides in Washington. In pro-choice marches, you will find a lot of anti-Catholics with exceptionally degrading posters (and outright attire) towards religious. Does that mean that I should insist that the pro-choice community should denounce the religious intollerance within their ranks? Let he who is without fault cast the first generalization, not the one who has their own.

[tzor]

Down with the NAACP, evidently! I mean, what good could they do taking on such battles?

I've heard an interesting notion, that the NAACP needs to have an "enemy" to be in opposition to. Without an enemy they have a difficult time with revelancy among their members.

[Timminz]

I see this also in the pro-life / pro-choice debate. Take a gander at the marches on both sides in Washington. In pro-choice marches, you will find a lot of anti-Catholics with exceptionally degrading posters (and outright attire) towards religious. Does that mean that I should insist that the pro-choice community should denounce the religious intollerance within their ranks? Let he who is without fault cast the first generalization, not the one who has their own.

That's a poor comparison. Hatred for a group based on their beliefs and actions is not comparable to hatred for a group based on the colour of their skin. At all.

[tzor]

I see this also in the pro-life / pro-choice debate. Take a gander at the marches on both sides in Washington. In pro-choice marches, you will find a lot of anti-Catholics with exceptionally degrading posters (and outright attire) towards religious. Does that mean that I should insist that the pro-choice community should denounce the religious intollerance within their ranks? Let he who is without fault cast the first generalization, not the one who has their own.

That's a poor comparison. Hatred for a group based on their beliefs and actions is not comparable to hatred for a group based on the colour of their skin. At all.

Really? Hatred ... is not comparable to hatred ...?

Fascinating.

[Timminz]

I see this also in the pro-life / pro-choice debate. Take a gander at the marches on both sides in Washington. In pro-choice marches, you will find a lot of anti-Catholics with exceptionally degrading posters (and outright attire) towards religious. Does that mean that I should insist that the pro-choice community should denounce the religious intollerance within their ranks? Let he who is without fault cast the first generalization, not the one who has their own.

That's a poor comparison. Hatred for a group based on their beliefs and actions is not comparable to hatred for a group based on the colour of their skin. At all.

Really? Hatred ... is not comparable to hatred ...?

Fascinating.

Yes. A word, or emotion (such as hatred), is comparable to itself. However, beliefs and actions are not comparable to where someone's ancestors lived.

[john9blue]

I see this also in the pro-life / pro-choice debate. Take a gander at the marches on both sides in Washington. In pro-choice marches, you will find a lot of anti-Catholics with exceptionally degrading posters (and outright attire) towards religious. Does that mean that I should insist that the pro-choice community should denounce the religious intollerance within their ranks? Let he who is without fault cast the first generalization, not the one who has their own.

That's a poor comparison. Hatred for a group based on their beliefs and actions is not comparable to hatred for a group based on the colour of their skin. At all.

Really? Hatred ... is not comparable to hatred ...?

Fascinating.

Yes. A word, or emotion (such as hatred), is comparable to itself. However, beliefs and actions are not comparable to where someone's ancestors lived.

Aren't people's beliefs largely the result of their environment, including the beliefs of their parents?

[jimboston]

Am I going to be the first in this thread to point this out..?

The NAACP is itself a Racist and Hypocritcal Organization

It wasn't always this way... it used to strive for equality. It's goal now is to advance programs that are racist in their very nature. Racist of course in favor of colored people... so you aren't supposed to call that racist.

From their website;
"The mission of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is to ensure the political, educational, social, and economic equality of rights of all persons and to eliminate race-based discrimination."

Yet they favor Affirmative Action programs, which are BY DEFINITION programs that favor one race over another... and therefore are BY DEFINITION "race-based discrimination".

Sounds racist and hypocritcal to me.

[Phatscotty]

if you show me a real example of racism in the Tea Party I would be most happy to denounce it.

Good for you. The movement needs more people willing to publicly take precisely that stance, rather than turning a blind eye to the ills of an organisation that they want to be flawless.

On this point, we are in perfect accord.

If on the other hand, you are just diverting attention from a New Black Panther member who states that he wants to kill CRACKERS and their babies, I will just give you a justly deserved blank stare. I don't play that game anymore.

That has never been the purpose of the NAACP's statement.

The "but teh Black Panthers!!!" sideshow was brought up by Nightstrike, because he wanted to try to diver attention away from Tea Party members who had expressed hateful and racially motivated views.

It's why he's getting so many blank stares; because just like you, we don't play that game no more.

Again, we are in perfect accord.

Oh, I thought it sounded for a minute like people and organizations are TRYING TO TELL A GROUP OF PEOPLE HOW TO ACT AND WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO THINK!

my bad

Race simply is not an issue when it comes to the Tea Party. It never was. People should be studying this case, and probably the entire Obama presidency, as a prime example of how the race-card is played in the modern era.

[Woodruff]

I see this also in the pro-life / pro-choice debate. Take a gander at the marches on both sides in Washington. In pro-choice marches, you will find a lot of anti-Catholics with exceptionally degrading posters (and outright attire) towards religious. Does that mean that I should insist that the pro-choice community should denounce the religious intollerance within their ranks? Let he who is without fault cast the first generalization, not the one who has their own.

That's a poor comparison. Hatred for a group based on their beliefs and actions is not comparable to hatred for a group based on the colour of their skin. At all.

Really? Hatred ... is not comparable to hatred ...?

Fascinating.

Yes. A word, or emotion (such as hatred), is comparable to itself. However, beliefs and actions are not comparable to where someone's ancestors lived.

Aren't people's beliefs largely the result of their environment, including the beliefs of their parents?

Which doesn't necessarily have anything to do with race. A non-Hispanic whose family has lived in Mexico for many generations would almost certainly have much the same culture as the Hispanics there.

[thegreekdog]

Not to a Tea Party zealot who can't stand to see his beloved movement criticised in any way, shape or form.


Ironically, it's the people like that who do the most damage to it, by making it seem like some kind of kooky cult.

I'm pretty sure most people don't like to have their movement called racist. I'm also pretty sure most people don't like to have their political and economic views marginalized instead of discussed. But, I suppose the political and economic merits of the Tea Party movement is too difficult a subject to discuss in three minute soundbites. So let us instead focus on the racist elements and the militia groups.

[ViperOverLord]

I could make all the cases that are obvious and many of you have made. Instead all bottom line it. The NCAAP is a racist marginal organization that hurts blacks more than they help them. I haven't taken them seriously since before I was born. If they want to be taken seriously they have to have ethics and not divisive racial politics. I could care less about any of their resolutions and any politician that takes them seriously is not someone I'd likely vote for.

[ViperOverLord]

Not to a Tea Party zealot who can't stand to see his beloved movement criticised in any way, shape or form.


Ironically, it's the people like that who do the most damage to it, by making it seem like some kind of kooky cult.

I'm pretty sure most people don't like to have their movement called racist. I'm also pretty sure most people don't like to have their political and economic views marginalized instead of discussed. But, I suppose the political and economic merits of the Tea Party movement is too difficult a subject to discuss in three minute soundbites. So let us instead focus on the racist elements and the militia groups.

He's as clearly ignorant and uninformed as the NCAAP would like him to be. I did not give thought 1 to anything racial when I was proud to see the tea party movement under way. It's merely a matter of having fundamental beliefs and the race card (once again) has been used by ignoramuses to try and marginalize proper beliefs. I do not have to be racist to believe that the government should be taking so much of my money.

[Phatscotty]

I do not take the NAACP seriously based on the simple fact they do not practice what they preach.

That organization is so much more blatantly hypocritical than even the Catholic Church, dare I say??

[jimboston]

I do not take the NAACP seriously based on the simple fact they do not practice what they preach.

That organization is so much more blatantly hypocritical than even the Catholic Church, dare I say??

Perhaps more blatantly hypocritical... but maybe not more covertly hypocritical.

It's hard to say... Good comparison... Maybe good for a poll.