NAACP Cries Racist at the Tea Party

[mpjh]

There is a big difference between one aberrant bureaucrat and an entire faction of the tea party movement.

[Woodruff]

There is a big difference between one aberrant bureaucrat and an entire faction of the tea party movement.

Funny thing about that word "faction"...it can be used to talk about a very small group within another group. Yet, you use it in a manner that implies great size (i.e. "entire faction"). Do you actually believe that a large part of the tea party movement is racist and, if so, can you show any evidence of that?

[nesterdude]

There is a big difference between one aberrant bureaucrat and an entire faction of the tea party movement.

Funny thing about that word "faction"...it can be used to talk about a very small group within another group. Yet, you use it in a manner that implies great size (i.e. "entire faction"). Do you actually believe that a large part of the tea party movement is racist and, if so, can you show any evidence of that?

Why Woodruff, I believe that is first post you've made I can agree w/

[mpjh]

Actually, I believe this faction is about half the participants at the largest tea party fests.

[Woodruff]

There is a big difference between one aberrant bureaucrat and an entire faction of the tea party movement.

Funny thing about that word "faction"...it can be used to talk about a very small group within another group. Yet, you use it in a manner that implies great size (i.e. "entire faction"). Do you actually believe that a large part of the tea party movement is racist and, if so, can you show any evidence of that?

Why Woodruff, I believe that is first post you've made I can agree w/

Really? I'm honestly surprised to hear that. I suspect there are very few, if any, folks in here that disagree with me more than...oh...80% of the time or so IF they read everything I post (but who really wants to do that?). By the same token, I seriously doubt there are many in here that agree with me more than 75% of the time, so...<grin>

[Woodruff]

Actually, I believe this faction is about half the participants at the largest tea party fests.

Fair enough. I don't think it's even remotely that large, but I don't really have any data to back up my opinion on it either.

But as I asked previously...can you show any evidence?

[mpjh]

Yeah, you can look up the fund raising reports of the organizations involved. You will find that the faction that was expelled raised about half the money.

If you can believe their own numbers.

[Woodruff]

Yeah, you can look up the fund raising reports of the organizations involved. You will find that the faction that was expelled raised about half the money.

If you can believe their own numbers.

Interesting. I haven't looked, but I'm lazy enough to take your word on that, given there are enough folks reading this to point out for me if it's wrong. <grin>

[Borderdawg]

Yeah, you can look up the fund raising reports of the organizations involved. You will find that the faction that was expelled raised about half the money.

If you can believe their own numbers.

Talks cheap, let's see sources!

[PLAYER57832]

"I was struggling with the fact that so many black people have lost their farmland and here I was faced with having to help a white person save their land -- so I didn't give him the full force of what I could do. I did enough."

WTF!

What utter and complete bullshit. Those who live in glass houses................

This was definitely MY first reaction. Then I saw more of the full video and, given the context, she really did NOT say what this brief excerpt makes it seem.

In fact, it was part of a longer dialogue in which she explained her feelings as she worked with this farmer through a nonprofit (this was well before she began her government work). I hate to paraphrase given how this was already misrepresented, but essentially, she described how she went from seeing a purely black-white divide in who has and who has not and realized it was not about color, but about class and those who have and those who don't. People change and learn.. this was this woman describing her journey to understand that hard times don't just hit blacks.

The OTHER quote, where she says that few blacks, people of color are in the Department of Agriculture and that many minorities avoid the agency because, as she said, they are done "digging in the dirt" (her words), but that the department has a lot of openings and tends not to lay people off. I do realize how that last could be construed as negative, but having worked for the Dept of Ag myself, I have to say that the other side to this is that voters who don't feel an agency is important won't support it. If we do NOT get more minorities involved in the Dept of Agriculture, it will hurt us all in the long term. Taken in the context, of reality and the speech, she was saying "hey folks, you want jobs? The Dept of Agriculture has GOOD jobs.. go after them..they need you!" Hardly a negative message.

(and we can get into overall race politics in D of A later....)

[PLAYER57832]

I think the lack of denouncement of the Black Panthers (for example) absolutely illegitimizes the NAACP's denouncement of the Tea Party racists. Certainly the NAACP is picking its battles - it's picking a battle with an organization that threatens the Democratic Party.

Overall, I agree with a lot of what you said, but you got a couple of points distorted. First, I don't believe that the Black Panthers are an official part of the NAACP or their power structure. Second, though the Black Panthers is often painted as the black equivalent to the KKK, the truth is the old group is not. I don't know much about the so-called "new" black panther party, but the original group was actually non-violant, despite the news clips of Hewey N. on the Sacramento state capitol steps.

That said, the fact is that now the Tea Party HAS removed a racist contingent for being racist. They acted appropriately, and I would say they are closer to being on the par with other political groups. That is, no doubt there are still racists in the group, but if they are not part of the official rhetoric and if displays of such under the teaparty "banner" are declaimed, corrected, etc.. then fine.

[jimboston]

I think people who post on this subject should first let the community know if they have or have not ever ectually BEEN to a Tea Party event... like live... in real life... personally.

I have been to two. I did not see any racist posters or signs at either.

The most "in-your-face" poster / group at one event... the one that jumps out in my memory... was a group of three young girls who were protesting AGAINST the Tea Party. They had very inflamatory signs... a were actively calling people at the event names like "racist" "gay basher"... etc.

I am walking along and these 3 girls are screaming at people who are DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO THEM. I walked around them, as I try to avoid confrontation. (As seen here in this forum... I work hard to avoid it, but if it comes to me...)

So I see one guy stops and asks them "What are you girls protesting... why are you here?"... and one of them answers... picture this... screaming right-up in the guy's face. "We're here protesting because you hate us."

Now I look at this girls... young 20 somethings... 2 are white, one asain... and at least one has on some buttons or a shirt that seems to indicate she is a lesbian. They are (all three) pretty... not models but attractive... and I think to myself. I don't hate them at all... quite the contrary. Then I think... well I don't hate them, but if I was that guy, who just asked a question, and this girl got up his face... yeah, if I was him, I would probably hate them.

[Phatscotty]

So what I'm getting is that the NAACP is condemning some of the open racists in the Tea Party, and the Tea Party is saying NO U? Can't we all agree that racists are bad?

of course we can. Obviously, the issue is where the racism has been alleged. Such a broad stroke, so little evidence. Now it has been proven that the media straight up conspired to play the race card collectively. The false edifice they stand upon is razor thin. I don't know how much room they have for any more race-baiters...

[mpjh]

I think people who post on this subject should first let the community know if they have or have not ever ectually BEEN to a Tea Party event... like live... in real life... personally.

I have been to two. I did not see any racist posters or signs at either.

The most "in-your-face" poster / group at one event... the one that jumps out in my memory... was a group of three young girls who were protesting AGAINST the Tea Party. They had very inflamatory signs... a were actively calling people at the event names like "racist" "gay basher"... etc.

I am walking along and these 3 girls are screaming at people who are DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO THEM. I walked around them, as I try to avoid confrontation. (As seen here in this forum... I work hard to avoid it, but if it comes to me...)

So I see one guy stops and asks them "What are you girls protesting... why are you here?"... and one of them answers... picture this... screaming right-up in the guy's face. "We're here protesting because you hate us."

Now I look at this girls... young 20 somethings... 2 are white, one asain... and at least one has on some buttons or a shirt that seems to indicate she is a lesbian. They are (all three) pretty... not models but attractive... and I think to myself. I don't hate them at all... quite the contrary. Then I think... well I don't hate them, but if I was that guy, who just asked a question, and this girl got up his face... yeah, if I was him, I would probably hate them.

Really, then why did the tea party eject some of its own for racist statements?

[jimboston]

Are you
calling that legislator a liar?

Do you have proof that this incident did not occur? All you need is footage of him walking unmolested in front of the protestors? If all of this media was around, then why haven't they come forward to denounce these claims as falsehoods? This isn't the first time that they have been made.

You know you can't prove a negative Doctor. We all know this.

In both our countries, the burden of prove would be on the person making the accusation. In this case that would be the legislator.

[Phatscotty]

I think people who post on this subject should first let the community know if they have or have not ever ectually BEEN to a Tea Party event... like live... in real life... personally.

I have been to two. I did not see any racist posters or signs at either.

The most "in-your-face" poster / group at one event... the one that jumps out in my memory... was a group of three young girls who were protesting AGAINST the Tea Party. They had very inflamatory signs... a were actively calling people at the event names like "racist" "gay basher"... etc.

I am walking along and these 3 girls are screaming at people who are DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO THEM. I walked around them, as I try to avoid confrontation. (As seen here in this forum... I work hard to avoid it, but if it comes to me...)

So I see one guy stops and asks them "What are you girls protesting... why are you here?"... and one of them answers... picture this... screaming right-up in the guy's face. "We're here protesting because you hate us."

Now I look at this girls... young 20 somethings... 2 are white, one asain... and at least one has on some buttons or a shirt that seems to indicate she is a lesbian. They are (all three) pretty... not models but attractive... and I think to myself. I don't hate them at all... quite the contrary. Then I think... well I don't hate them, but if I was that guy, who just asked a question, and this girl got up his face... yeah, if I was him, I would probably hate them.

Really, then why did the tea party eject some of its own for racist statements?

Because ejecting racists is the right thing to do, as shown here. Which is far more than I can say for most other groups, especially on the left.

The Tea Party response here is Standard Operating Procedure. Would not it be great if all groups really, REALLY took a stand against racism the way the Tea Party Does?

[mpjh]

Good, glad you agree the racists in the tea party should go.

[Phatscotty]

Good, glad you agree the racists in the tea party should go.

Pff, after being in here and talking about this exact issue over the last 6 months, you are getting a clue now?

The Tea Party has decided this a long time ago, and has been practicing doing what is right. as opposed to say, sitting around in your parents basement in your underwear spurring slander and fanning flames? Pretty sure that is the wrong thing to do. Don't you see you have just been wrong all along, as opposed to the silly belief that now the tea party is coming around.

A thosuand 's

[Woodruff]

I think the lack of denouncement of the Black Panthers (for example) absolutely illegitimizes the NAACP's denouncement of the Tea Party racists. Certainly the NAACP is picking its battles - it's picking a battle with an organization that threatens the Democratic Party.

Overall, I agree with a lot of what you said, but you got a couple of points distorted. First, I don't believe that the Black Panthers are an official part of the NAACP or their power structure.

This is thoroughly irrelevant to the point.

Second, though the Black Panthers is often painted as the black equivalent to the KKK, the truth is the old group is not. I don't know much about the so-called "new" black panther party, but the original group was actually non-violant, despite the news clips of Hewey N. on the Sacramento state capitol steps.

The current Black Panthers are not only similar to the KKK, but I personally believe them to be worse.

[Woodruff]

Because ejecting racists is the right thing to do, as shown here. Which is far more than I can say for most other groups, especially on the left.
The Tea Party response here is Standard Operating Procedure. Would not it be great if all groups really, REALLY took a stand against racism the way the Tea Party Does?

Phatscotty before the ejection: "The Tea Party doesn't have racists"
Phatscotty after the ejection: "Wouldn't it be great if everyone got rid of their racism the way the Tea Party does"

[Phatscotty]

Because ejecting racists is the right thing to do, as shown here. Which is far more than I can say for most other groups, especially on the left.
The Tea Party response here is Standard Operating Procedure. Would not it be great if all groups really, REALLY took a stand against racism the way the Tea Party Does?

Phatscotty before the ejection: "The Tea Party doesn't have racists"
Phatscotty after the ejection: "Wouldn't it be great if everyone got rid of their racism the way the Tea Party does"

A racist showed up at an event. I dont see how I could have possibly said this has never happened, and I tell you now I have never once believed that. Out of 10's of millions of people of all races and parties, you are going to try to put in my mouth that I took the position there was never a single racist?

That is ridiculous, and you should check your motive for saying such things...

The Tea party is not a racist movement, which, as you damn well conveniently seem to forget at the moment, was yesterdays discussion....I will take this realization that it is the liberals who are finally admitting "the tea party is not racist"

Ta

[mpjh]

Actually, I think woodruff summarized you quite well.

[Phatscotty]

Actually, I think woodruff summarized you quite well.

Well, I'm sure much of the discussion was in the thread named "Is the Tea Party Racist?" The conversation has not been "Is there at least 1 racist in the tea party" This shit is getting silly, but it's on you so

also, you both seem to miss the overall point, that while the NAACP is saying the Tea Party should exclude racists, I produce a clip from even before of....wait for it.....the tea party excluding racists.

[Woodruff]

Because ejecting racists is the right thing to do, as shown here. Which is far more than I can say for most other groups, especially on the left.
The Tea Party response here is Standard Operating Procedure. Would not it be great if all groups really, REALLY took a stand against racism the way the Tea Party Does?

Phatscotty before the ejection: "The Tea Party doesn't have racists"
Phatscotty after the ejection: "Wouldn't it be great if everyone got rid of their racism the way the Tea Party does"

A racist showed up at an event. I dont see how I could have possibly said this has never happened, and I tell you now I have never once believed that. Out of 10's of millions of people of all races and parties, you are going to try to put in my mouth that I took the position there was never a single racist?

Even now, you're trying to dwindle it down to "a racist". At any rate...

"The racism only exists on the airwaves of the toxic-wasteland we call "the media"."

"Race simply is not an issue when it comes to the Tea Party. It never was."

"Obviously, the issue is where the racism has been alleged. Such a broad stroke, so little evidence. Now it has been proven that the media straight up conspired to play the race card collectively. The false edifice they stand upon is razor thin. I don't know how much room they have for any more race-baiters..."

[Phatscotty]

Because ejecting racists is the right thing to do, as shown here. Which is far more than I can say for most other groups, especially on the left.
The Tea Party response here is Standard Operating Procedure. Would not it be great if all groups really, REALLY took a stand against racism the way the Tea Party Does?

Phatscotty before the ejection: "The Tea Party doesn't have racists"
Phatscotty after the ejection: "Wouldn't it be great if everyone got rid of their racism the way the Tea Party does"

A racist showed up at an event. I dont see how I could have possibly said this has never happened, and I tell you now I have never once believed that. Out of 10's of millions of people of all races and parties, you are going to try to put in my mouth that I took the position there was never a single racist?

Even now, you're trying to dwindle it down to "a racist". At any rate...

"The racism only exists on the airwaves of the toxic-wasteland we call "the media"."

"Race simply is not an issue when it comes to the Tea Party. It never was."

"Obviously, the issue is where the racism has been alleged. Such a broad stroke, so little evidence. Now it has been proven that the media straight up conspired to play the race card collectively. The false edifice they stand upon is razor thin. I don't know how much room they have for any more race-baiters..."

of course it's "a racist" the example I provided, and I assume we are still talking about, is 1 person.

Race isn't and still is not an "issue" on the tea party agenda. You yourself and your fellow race-baiters made it an issue. ouch...

It's ok. America knows. Race-baiters are busted, and democrats are getting creamed. Socialism is out and my smile is how big right now?