Clickable maps app. unfair advantage in freestyle?

[Woodruff]

What you're saying here doesn't really make sense. Presumably the reason he feels Clickable Maps is a "cheat" is because some players do not actually have access to it (for example, they use a browser that isn't Firefox or Chrome), not because some people choose not to use it. If it were implemented as an option, then everyone could choose to use it if they wanted to, and so it can't be a cheat, because the situation is the same for everyone - you can choose to use Clickable Maps, or you can choose not to use it. The problem with the status quo is that (supposedly) some people cannot choose to use it.

If you read what he is saying, that is absolutely NOT what he is saying. He has stated explicitly that if clickable maps is not STANDARD FOR ALL GAMES then it's a "game cheat".

You must be misunderstanding what he's saying.

How could I misunderstand his explicit statement that if clickable maps is not STANDARD FOR ALL GAMES then it's a "game cheat". It really doesn't leave any wiggle room.

I don't know, but apparently you are misunderstanding it. If clickable maps is available in every game then his condition is met. The fact that you can turn it off is completely irrelevant, because functionally it's the same as just not clicking the maps.
If you still fail to comprehend this, then just stop talking for him and let him speak for himself.

I understand what YOU'RE saying. My point is that is NOT what HE is saying. Quite explicitly, in fact.

[Georgerx7di]

Unfortunately, mr. Dog, you don't get to decide what is or is not cheating on this site. The official stance of the site is that the browser plugin known as Clickable Maps is allowed, and is not cheating. You can keep saying "IT IS CHEATZORS!!!!11111" all you want, you can believe what you want, but in the real world saying or believing something does not make it so.

To make it easier to understand: let us say there was a canoeing contest. You enter the contest, and notice that every other contestant is using a paddle, even though you only use your bare hands. Does this make the other contestants cheaters? No, because the organizers have specified in the contest rules that using a paddle is acceptable. You can yell at them all you like, and say "not everyone can afford paddles! using a paddle is cheating!" but it will not make the organizers disqualify the other contestants.

Omg, I love you natty. This is one of the greatest posts ever.

[Metsfanmax]

I understand what YOU'RE saying. My point is that is NOT what HE is saying. Quite explicitly, in fact.

This post is incredibly demeaning. The OP may be a bit unwilling to consider other points of view, but there's no reason to believe he's the utter moron you're making him out to be in this post.

[KoE_Sirius]

freestyle is a battle of who has the best internet connection/lives closest to the server.
you get the odd player who isnt as fast but can still match it with the clicky junkies...
Dont like it you have two options
a) find some friends who you trust to not use clickies when playing freestyle
b) dont play it

I live 4000 miles from the server.Someone said it was to do with the speed of the PC.I have a 9 year old pc.The only extra I have to speed it up is "ready boost" which is a 4gb flashdrive thats acts as ram.
Only a handfull of players are quicker then me,but I have still beaten every single one of them at some point.
I do kind of agree with what the author of the thread said.Which is not everyone is aware of clickies.Thats why I think clickable maps should be a default setting.
I'm sure 90% of speed players know anyway though.I tell everyone I can.

[Woodruff]

I understand what YOU'RE saying. My point is that is NOT what HE is saying. Quite explicitly, in fact.

This post is incredibly demeaning. The OP may be a bit unwilling to consider other points of view, but there's no reason to believe he's the utter moron you're making him out to be in this post.

I don't intend it to be demeaning. We can only take his statements at their face value. To presume something OTHER than what he says would be demeaning.

Why else would he be calling it a "cheat" if it were the same as it is now?

[Metsfanmax]

I understand what YOU'RE saying. My point is that is NOT what HE is saying. Quite explicitly, in fact.

This post is incredibly demeaning. The OP may be a bit unwilling to consider other points of view, but there's no reason to believe he's the utter moron you're making him out to be in this post.

I don't intend it to be demeaning. We can only take his statements at their face value. To presume something OTHER than what he says would be demeaning.

Why else would he be calling it a "cheat" if it were the same as it is now?

You're failing to understand that it would indeed be different than it is now. Currently some people do not have the option to use Clickable Maps. I'm sure there's a sizable minority of players that can use a modern version of Firefox and could install the Greasemonkey add on, but simply choose not to; however, some people do not have access to this add-on, due to software or hardware limitations (for example, using an operating system that doesn't support Firefox, or being on a network or system that doesn't allow the user to make software changes). That would be why OP thinks it's a cheat - not everyone can use it, and even some people who can use it simply don't feel like they should have to install Greasemonkey and the script to be able to. If it's built in to the site and automatically loaded as a Javascript function for every player, then it would no longer be a cheat, in the mind of the OP. If you can't understand that, then please stop speaking for the OP, as I already asked.

[ksslemp]

Simple stated: If it isnt a built in feature for all games then in my opinion it is a cheat, for freestyle games anyway.
The app when used clearly gives a great advantage to the user. examples stated in earlier posts.

The site can't be completely fair, i understand that but what is wrong with Trying to be? Instead of throwing our hands up and saying oh well you can't help it, there will always be features and strategies to gain an advantage over other players.

It's a nice feature but as it stands now it is used as a cheat.

[ksslemp]

Further, i doubt anything will be done to address this issue. But in a perfect world they would have the app built into the game but included as an option when creating a game. i.e. freestyle/manual/fog.

[SgtMadDog]

I guess for someone to understand they would need to play a game to see.

Trying playing a 2 player freestyle against an opponent using clickies and you using the standard game dropdowns.
99% of the time you wont end the round first and thus will not begin first. there is no way to match the reactin time of someone using the game cheat.

[Georgerx7di]

Don't care, can't get fast enough internet speed and living in Ireland I am a small bit away from the server. It's great for sequential though kinda like when the wheel was invented

QFT. I only play sequential, and you can pry clickies from my cold dead fingers. So much better than the stupid dropdowns that it's a joke, especially when it comes to dropping 1's in fog games.

Me too. I play sequential, but clickies is so much easier. I won't use someone elses computer because I hate looking at the territ name and then going to the drop down and trying to find it. It makes sense to click on the territ and deploy.

[ParadiceCity9]

Erm..this might be impossible or just implausible, but is there any way for there to be a game setting that disables Clickable Maps? I feel like this would end the ruckus, as in that situation, the ones who consider it to be a cheat are able to simply create their own clicky-free games. Also (this might a be a stretch but stay with me), having that setting option would potentially open the eyes of those ignorant to the forums and lead them to search for what Clickable Maps is and in turn become more regular forum users and increase the value of the CC Community. Just throwin' it out there...

[ljex]

Erm..this might be impossible or just implausible, but is there any way for there to be a game setting that disables Clickable Maps? I feel like this would end the ruckus, as in that situation, the ones who consider it to be a cheat are able to simply create their own clicky-free games. Also (this might a be a stretch but stay with me), having that setting option would potentially open the eyes of those ignorant to the forums and lead them to search for what Clickable Maps is and in turn become more regular forum users and increase the value of the CC Community. Just throwin' it out there...

there is a user group for clicky free users however because it runs on the browser not the site there is no easy way to prevent clickable maps from being used.

[Georgerx7di]

Can these people really not run firefox, honestly. I mean, if your computer sucks that much, clickies won't help you anyway. So they might as well complain that new computers are unfair too for speed freestyle.

[Evil Semp]

This is a war game and clickies would be apart of the arms race. Either upgrade your weapons or pick and choose your fights a little better.

[ksslemp]

In that case i think i will write an app that allows me to pick deployment points and complete attack path for my upcoming turn.
Then when i push "begin turn" whammo... turn complete in 1 second. It's just a weapons upgrade so please no complaining!!!!

I always create games that are open to all players (just think it's the honest/fair thing to do), so picking and choosing my fights are not an option in this case.

I hear they are working on some of the ideas addressed in this post, so down boy down!

[ksslemp]

Also wanted to throw this out, i am currently on a mission to play every map from a-z. On Bamboo jack now.
So if anyone wants a chance at some (semi) easy points then add me to your friends list and check in once in a while. I'll be starting new games as i finish others. I figure that since most of the games i'll play will be on maps i've never played before that when all is complete i'll lose maybe 500 points.

Has anyone done this before? and is there an achievement medal for this?

9 for 16 so far.
Which i think is damn good! But because the points system is sooo screwed up i'm down about 90 points.

[Darwins_Bane]

yes and yes

[Evil Semp]

In that case i think i will write an app that allows me to pick deployment points and complete attack path for my upcoming turn.
Then when i push "begin turn" whammo... turn complete in 1 second. It's just a weapons upgrade so please no complaining!!!!

Don't you think if it was that easy someone else would have done it already?

I always create games that are open to all players (just think it's the honest/fair thing to do), so picking and choosing my fights are not an option in this case.

By starting the games aren't you picking the fight you want? You are setting the battle ground by picking the map, cards and forts. The only thing you aren't picking is your opponents.

I hear they are working on some of the ideas addressed in this post, so down boy down!

Yes I hear the same things.

[ksslemp]

Would be an interesting app. Maybe give each player an amount of time to set up their plan of attack and then a set attack launch time. When that time comes both plans are executed simultaneously.

Fun to Watch!

Not suggesting just musing.

[Georgerx7di]

Also wanted to throw this out, i am currently on a mission to play every map from a-z. On Bamboo jack now.
So if anyone wants a chance at some (semi) easy points then add me to your friends list and check in once in a while. I'll be starting new games as i finish others. I figure that since most of the games i'll play will be on maps i've never played before that when all is complete i'll lose maybe 500 points.

Has anyone done this before? and is there an achievement medal for this?

9 for 16 so far.
Which i think is damn good! But because the points system is sooo screwed up i'm down about 90 points.

cross map medal, you have bronze already. I think you need 5 ud's on 60 maps for gold, or something like that. It may have been changed by now.

[ljex]

Also wanted to throw this out, i am currently on a mission to play every map from a-z. On Bamboo jack now.
So if anyone wants a chance at some (semi) easy points then add me to your friends list and check in once in a while. I'll be starting new games as i finish others. I figure that since most of the games i'll play will be on maps i've never played before that when all is complete i'll lose maybe 500 points.

Has anyone done this before? and is there an achievement medal for this?

9 for 16 so far.
Which i think is damn good! But because the points system is sooo screwed up i'm down about 90 points.

cross map medal, you have bronze already. I think you need 5 ud's on 60 maps for gold, or something like that. It may have been changed by now.

nope still 5 unique on 60 maps.

Also ksslemp, a lot of people have done that before commander62890 and iron maid come to mind. I would guess blitz and jr have done it as well and i am sure that there are others. I have basically played every map except 2 which i have just never gotten around too and have never come up on random map.

[ksslemp]

So i would need to complete each map 5 times? that's going to take a while.
Good thing i'm still young.

Clickies is a Cheat! ( on freestyle anyway ) other settings it's not.

[Georgerx7di]

So i would need to complete each map 5 times? that's going to take a while.
Good thing i'm still young.

Clickies is a Cheat! ( on freestyle anyway ) other settings it's not.

You just need to defeat 5 people on each map. You can win one 6 players standard game, or a couple of triples games to get your 5 uds.

[ksslemp]

I see. I'm playing 2 player games to make it a little quicker.
Thanks for the input.

[Evil Semp]

Can these people really not run firefox, honestly. I mean, if your computer sucks that much, clickies won't help you anyway. So they might as well complain that new computers are unfair too for speed freestyle.

If they are playing from or on a public computer they might not have the option to install it.