Islamic "charity" not even to fellow Muslims?

[tzor]

Pakistan Monsoons--World Muslims Not Helping Muslims

Muslims are not commanded to assist non-Muslims. To do so is a waste of money, because they are going to Hell anyway. The Qur'an and Hadith command that money flow either between Muslims or from non-Muslims to Muslims (Qur'an 9:29).

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran ... relief.htm states that neither has the Islamic community ever been particularly keen on disaster relief, even for Muslim victims. This is because the Qur'an teaches that disasters that befall communities are punishment from Allah.

What compelling reason is there to assist Islamic countries in desperate need when they refuse to help their very own? Billions for war, violence, and insurrection; but none for compassion; none for food, shelter, clothing, and medical attention?

1.3 Billion Muslims in the world could resolve the Pakistan tragedy in a New York Minute, but it is practically against their religion to give aid for those suffering from disasters, attributing them to the deity as retribution for wrong-doing.

Muhammad routinely used natural disaster as a threat to compel others to believe in his claim to be a prophet. The Qur'an specifically says that earthquake and famine are sent by Allah as punishment for the sin of the people (usually unbelief). There is no theological basis for helping those whom Allah is trying to hurt.

[comic boy]

Well here are some facts as opposed to a piece of bigoted bullshit;
http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Articl ... /?userkey=

PS There is a large Muslim community in Britain.
PPS Saudi Arabia recently pledged $50 million to the relief fund in Haiti - This was despite having no economic , regional or cultural ties to that country and that aid was unconditional ( most is not )

[heavycola]

The Qur'an 49:13 - “He who sleeps on a full stomach whilst his neighbour goes hungry is not one of us.”

You could always try going to the source for your information, tzor, rather than fellow bigots.

[billy07]

Well here are some facts as opposed to a piece of bigoted bullshit;
http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Articl ... /?userkey=

PS There is a large Muslim community in Britain.

hehe, britain is praised for helping pakistan and you try and spin that into an arguement against the op. whats more alarming to me is that i'm now living in a muslim country!

i think this one just surpassed your own idiocy. it's close, but when you tried to compare what pol pot did as some sort of excuse for muslims commiting genocide. i'm not sure which arguement is worse. ridiculous, irrelevant and bollocks. you certainly are your fathers son

[tzor]

OK then...

Where is the MONEY?
Show me the MONEY!
I don't see the MONEY!

I'm sorry but

I don't see the MONEY!

The UK is not the "Islamic community." Nor is the "British public" the "Islamic community." Unless you can show me the millions that the UK mosques raised, stop making these straw man aruments. Show me the money!

[comic boy]

Well here are some facts as opposed to a piece of bigoted bullshit;
http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Articl ... /?userkey=

PS There is a large Muslim community in Britain.

hehe, britain is praised for helping pakistan and you try and spin that into an arguement against the op. whats more alarming to me is that i'm now living in a muslim country!

i think this one just surpassed your own idiocy. it's close, but when you tried to compare what pol pot did as some sort of excuse for muslims commiting genocide. i'm not sure which arguement is worse. ridiculous, irrelevant and bollocks. you certainly are your fathers son

Quit drinking lunchtimes, you are a big enough fuckwit sober.

[Woodruff]

Pakistan Monsoons--World Muslims Not Helping Muslims

Muslims are not commanded to assist non-Muslims. To do so is a waste of money, because they are going to Hell anyway. The Qur'an and Hadith command that money flow either between Muslims or from non-Muslims to Muslims (Qur'an 9:29).

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran ... relief.htm states that neither has the Islamic community ever been particularly keen on disaster relief, even for Muslim victims. This is because the Qur'an teaches that disasters that befall communities are punishment from Allah.

What compelling reason is there to assist Islamic countries in desperate need when they refuse to help their very own? Billions for war, violence, and insurrection; but none for compassion; none for food, shelter, clothing, and medical attention?

1.3 Billion Muslims in the world could resolve the Pakistan tragedy in a New York Minute, but it is practically against their religion to give aid for those suffering from disasters, attributing them to the deity as retribution for wrong-doing.

Muhammad routinely used natural disaster as a threat to compel others to believe in his claim to be a prophet. The Qur'an specifically says that earthquake and famine are sent by Allah as punishment for the sin of the people (usually unbelief). There is no theological basis for helping those whom Allah is trying to hurt.

I'm a bit confused...why does this matter? Isn't charity supposed to be voluntary?

[comic boy]

OK then...

Where is the MONEY?
Show me the MONEY!
I don't see the MONEY!

I'm sorry but

I don't see the MONEY!

The UK is not the "Islamic community." Nor is the "British public" the "Islamic community." Unless you can show me the millions that the UK mosques raised, stop making these straw man aruments. Show me the money!

Thats the point , nobody knows the individual faith of all individual donators so the assertion in the original article is bollox. As for the idea that Islam proscribes charity how do you explain away the $50 million from Saudi Arabia ?

[heavycola]

OK then...

[color=#BF0000][size=200]Where is the MONEY?

Tzor, this is too easy. And quit calling everything a straw man - you don;t even know what the term means.

http://www.justgiving.com/Pakistanflood2010 - individual donations from UK Muslims totalling quarter of a million pounds so far. Read the messages - here is one example: 'May Allah (SWT) help the victims of the flood disaster and help you to continue to do this good work.' Notice how the giver does not say: 'Sorry allah, i know you're punishing these people but i just couldn't help myself'.

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/833223 ... ef_effort/ - Mosques in Oxford, an English city with a small muslim population of around 6,000, have raised £5,000

http://www.islamic-relief.org.uk/CurrentAppeals.aspx - Islamic relief, a UK charity, has a £2 million appeal underway...

These were the first few hits on google. Do you not even do the most cursory due diligence before you spout your bile?

Now please edit your original post. Your baseless bigotry is incredibly offensive.

[The Bison King]

Pakistan Monsoons--World Muslims Not Helping Muslims

Muslims are not commanded to assist non-Muslims. To do so is a waste of money, because they are going to Hell anyway. The Qur'an and Hadith command that money flow either between Muslims or from non-Muslims to Muslims (Qur'an 9:29).

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran ... relief.htm states that neither has the Islamic community ever been particularly keen on disaster relief, even for Muslim victims. This is because the Qur'an teaches that disasters that befall communities are punishment from Allah.

What compelling reason is there to assist Islamic countries in desperate need when they refuse to help their very own? Billions for war, violence, and insurrection; but none for compassion; none for food, shelter, clothing, and medical attention?

1.3 Billion Muslims in the world could resolve the Pakistan tragedy in a New York Minute, but it is practically against their religion to give aid for those suffering from disasters, attributing them to the deity as retribution for wrong-doing.

Muhammad routinely used natural disaster as a threat to compel others to believe in his claim to be a prophet. The Qur'an specifically says that earthquake and famine are sent by Allah as punishment for the sin of the people (usually unbelief). There is no theological basis for helping those whom Allah is trying to hurt.

Racist.

Also I want to know, are you a christian?

[heavycola]

bump.
Take your pwmage like a man.

[Phatscotty]

Pakistan Monsoons--World Muslims Not Helping Muslims

Muslims are not commanded to assist non-Muslims. To do so is a waste of money, because they are going to Hell anyway. The Qur'an and Hadith command that money flow either between Muslims or from non-Muslims to Muslims (Qur'an 9:29).

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran ... relief.htm states that neither has the Islamic community ever been particularly keen on disaster relief, even for Muslim victims. This is because the Qur'an teaches that disasters that befall communities are punishment from Allah.

What compelling reason is there to assist Islamic countries in desperate need when they refuse to help their very own? Billions for war, violence, and insurrection; but none for compassion; none for food, shelter, clothing, and medical attention?

1.3 Billion Muslims in the world could resolve the Pakistan tragedy in a New York Minute, but it is practically against their religion to give aid for those suffering from disasters, attributing them to the deity as retribution for wrong-doing.

Muhammad routinely used natural disaster as a threat to compel others to believe in his claim to be a prophet. The Qur'an specifically says that earthquake and famine are sent by Allah as punishment for the sin of the people (usually unbelief). There is no theological basis for helping those whom Allah is trying to hurt.

I suppose evil intolerant bigoted USA will have to step up and show how capitalism has failed the world.

[Baron Von PWN]

There are big divisions within Islam which could result in their not wanting to give Charity. Also other than the gulf states Muslim countries don't tend to be all that wealthy.

[The Bison King]

I'm still waiting for an answer...

[billy07]

OK then...

[color=#BF0000][size=200]Where is the MONEY?

Tzor, this is too easy. And quit calling everything a straw man - you don;t even know what the term means.

http://www.justgiving.com/Pakistanflood2010 - individual donations from UK Muslims totalling quarter of a million pounds so far. Read the messages - here is one example: 'May Allah (SWT) help the victims of the flood disaster and help you to continue to do this good work.' Notice how the giver does not say: 'Sorry allah, i know you're punishing these people but i just couldn't help myself'.

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/833223 ... ef_effort/ - Mosques in Oxford, an English city with a small muslim population of around 6,000, have raised £5,000

http://www.islamic-relief.org.uk/CurrentAppeals.aspx - Islamic relief, a UK charity, has a £2 million appeal underway...

These were the first few hits on google. Do you not even do the most cursory due diligence before you spout your bile?

Now please edit your original post. Your baseless bigotry is incredibly offensive.

these amounts are a drop in the ocean in comparison to what britain as a whole have donated. the £2m raised by islamic relief will mainly have come from white people not wanting a flood (get it?) of pakistani asylumseekers. you have no way of proving who donated what. another flimsy liberal pile of shit.

i myself have always thought that natural disasters are gods way of punishing the evil among us. i never knew that the qu'ran backed up my theory. strange how most natural disaster over the last decade have happened in islamic countries.

[comic boy]

Awful piece of attempted trolling

[khazalid]

there's so much wrong with this thread it's difficult to know where to start...

"i myself have always thought that natural disasters are gods way of punishing the evil among us. i never knew that the qu'ran backed up my theory. strange how most natural disaster over the last decade have happened in islamic countries."

including american hurricanes and chinese landslides, no doubt?

europe, as a rule, has less extreme weather than the rest of the world, and ever it was thus so. even you know this, billy.


"1.3 Billion Muslims in the world could resolve the Pakistan tragedy in a New York Minute."

and the billion-plus christians in the world..? africa, anyone?

[heavycola]

OK then...

[color=#BF0000][size=200]Where is the MONEY?

Tzor, this is too easy. And quit calling everything a straw man - you don;t even know what the term means.

http://www.justgiving.com/Pakistanflood2010 - individual donations from UK Muslims totalling quarter of a million pounds so far. Read the messages - here is one example: 'May Allah (SWT) help the victims of the flood disaster and help you to continue to do this good work.' Notice how the giver does not say: 'Sorry allah, i know you're punishing these people but i just couldn't help myself'.

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/833223 ... ef_effort/ - Mosques in Oxford, an English city with a small muslim population of around 6,000, have raised £5,000

http://www.islamic-relief.org.uk/CurrentAppeals.aspx - Islamic relief, a UK charity, has a £2 million appeal underway...

These were the first few hits on google. Do you not even do the most cursory due diligence before you spout your bile?

Now please edit your original post. Your baseless bigotry is incredibly offensive.

these amounts are a drop in the ocean in comparison to what britain as a whole have donated. the £2m raised by islamic relief will mainly have come from white people not wanting a flood (get it?) of pakistani asylumseekers. you have no way of proving who donated what.

except for the links i posted. And why would 'white people' donate to Islamic Relief? Would you donate to Stormfront's Hurricane Appeal? Actually don't answer that....
f*ck me, billy, you're actually getting stoopider.

i myself have always thought that natural disasters are gods way of punishing the evil among us. i never knew that the qu'ran backed up my theory. strange how most natural disaster over the last decade have happened in islamic countries.

Hahahaha oh my sides... keep it up billy. Despite your fuckwittage you can be good for a laugh.

[PLAYER57832]

i myself have always thought that natural disasters are gods way of punishing the evil among us. i never knew that the qu'ran backed up my theory. strange how most natural disaster over the last decade have happened in islamic countries.

Yeah... ignore Job why don't you.

[PLAYER57832]

When khazalid and I are equally affronted, it is definitely not a liberal issue!

EVERYONE has had a harder time responding to this disaster, for a lot of reasons. People already gave a lot to Haiti and other disasters, the economy is down so that people just have less to give worldwide AND floods take a longer time to develop and response is usually slower than for more immediate tragedies like earthquakes and hurricanes.

Finally, Pakistan is admittedly politically difficult for ALL sides.

another flimsy liberal pile of shit.

Since when did being anti-islamic become a conservative value. Might as well point to the KKK as representing white Christians.

[billy07]

OK then...

[color=#BF0000][size=200]Where is the MONEY?

Tzor, this is too easy. And quit calling everything a straw man - you don;t even know what the term means.

http://www.justgiving.com/Pakistanflood2010 - individual donations from UK Muslims totalling quarter of a million pounds so far. Read the messages - here is one example: 'May Allah (SWT) help the victims of the flood disaster and help you to continue to do this good work.' Notice how the giver does not say: 'Sorry allah, i know you're punishing these people but i just couldn't help myself'.

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/833223 ... ef_effort/ - Mosques in Oxford, an English city with a small muslim population of around 6,000, have raised £5,000

http://www.islamic-relief.org.uk/CurrentAppeals.aspx - Islamic relief, a UK charity, has a £2 million appeal underway...

These were the first few hits on google. Do you not even do the most cursory due diligence before you spout your bile?

Now please edit your original post. Your baseless bigotry is incredibly offensive.

these amounts are a drop in the ocean in comparison to what britain as a whole have donated. the £2m raised by islamic relief will mainly have come from white people not wanting a flood (get it?) of pakistani asylumseekers. you have no way of proving who donated what.

except for the links i posted. And why would 'white people' donate to Islamic Relief? Would you donate to Stormfront's Hurricane Appeal? Actually don't answer that....
f*ck me, billy, you're actually getting stoopider.

i myself have always thought that natural disasters are gods way of punishing the evil among us. i never knew that the qu'ran backed up my theory. strange how most natural disaster over the last decade have happened in islamic countries.

Hahahaha oh my sides... keep it up billy. Despite your fuckwittage you can be good for a laugh.

are you so green as to think every penny islamic relief raises comes from muslims? white people are very charitable, i think it's something about their christian duty. the other links account for less than 1.5% of money raised in the UK. do your maths, hardly worth mentioning really but liberals like grasping at straws.

i don't donate to any charities if the money goes out of the UK. mainly the british legion, certain childrens charities and the rspca, pdsa.

i'm glad you find my theory funny, at least we have something in common. oohhh i think i just got intouch with my feminine side.

[ViperOverLord]

Qur'an (8:55) - "Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve"

[bradleybadly]

bigoted bullshit;

fellow bigots

Your baseless bigotry is incredibly offensive.

Racist.

Oh yeah tzor, and you are a homophobe, a sexist, xenophobe, hater of the poor, hater of children, hater of plant life, Environmentalaphobe, and many other very naughty things. You probably kill puppies and eat them in your cave!! Now cite something from a politically correct source and join the crusade for utopia.

[tzor]

i myself have always thought that natural disasters are gods way of punishing the evil among us. i never knew that the qu'ran backed up my theory. strange how most natural disaster over the last decade have happened in islamic countries.

I don't want to pour cold water on your theory, but I don't recall New Orleans (2005), China (2008), Haiti (2010), or Chilie (2010), as being "islamic countries." In fact, there is a whole section of my town where a number of houses are still "under water" and I'm not talking about mortages, because of flooding that occured from massive spring rains and a rising ground water level. I'm not in an islamic country either.

[tzor]

Now cite something from a politically correct source and join the crusade for utopia.

"Politically correct" news sources generally ignore all forms of charity and the reporting thereof.

Blatantly liberal (commie pinko socialist etc) news sources (like the Huff Po) probably wouldn't cover this anyway.

(Here is a reflection there on charity in general but I don't think it addresses the natural disaster vs the regular poverty issue.)