Islamic "charity" not even to fellow Muslims?

[heavycola]

Qur'an (8:55) - "Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve"

"I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD. "...And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do. " Zephaniah 1:2-6

Are we just swapping violent holy-book quotes here? What the hell has that got to do with this thread?

are you so green as to think every penny islamic relief raises comes from muslims? white people are very charitable, i think it's something about their christian duty....

...i don't donate to any charities if the money goes out of the UK.

*sigh* So white people like you are charitable as long as it's for other white people, is that what you;re saying?

As for the rest:
No, not every penny raised by Islamic Relief will come from muslims. But around 99.999% will, at a guess. Oxfam, Christian Aid, the IRC, Disaster Emergency Committee, UNICEF... these huge charities all have Pakistan relief funds. Why would a non-muslim choose islamic relief - a charity for muslims - when there are so many other, non-religiously-affiliated ways to give?
Do you understand the point here, Billy? I'm not sure you will. But it's the best I can do, sorry.

PS: it's funny you estimate that the non-Islamic Relief sources I quote come to '1.5%' of the total from the UK...
British muslims make up 2.7% of the population - so by the time you add in the funds from by far the biggest muslim charity, i'm guessing the total will be.... around 2.7%.
Nice work, Billy, again.

[The Bison King]

white people are very charitable,

Yeah he's right! there's actually a hereditary "charity gene" that more prevalent in white people.

I'm not in an islamic country either.

Surely (I'm thinking) this guy has to understand that America is a country of all religions, and that it is just as much Islamic as it is Christian.

[heavycola]

i myself have always thought that natural disasters are gods way of punishing the evil among us. i never knew that the qu'ran backed up my theory. strange how most natural disaster over the last decade have happened in islamic countries.

I don't want to pour cold water on your theory, but I don't recall New Orleans (2005), China (2008), Haiti (2010), or Chilie (2010), as being "islamic countries." In fact, there is a whole section of my town where a number of houses are still "under water" and I'm not talking about mortages, because of flooding that occured from massive spring rains and a rising ground water level. I'm not in an islamic country either.

have you got me on ignore, ya big girl's blouse?

[billy07]

i myself have always thought that natural disasters are gods way of punishing the evil among us. i never knew that the qu'ran backed up my theory. strange how most natural disaster over the last decade have happened in islamic countries.

I don't want to pour cold water on your theory, but I don't recall New Orleans (2005), China (2008), Haiti (2010), or Chilie (2010), as being "islamic countries." In fact, there is a whole section of my town where a number of houses are still "under water" and I'm not talking about mortages, because of flooding that occured from massive spring rains and a rising ground water level. I'm not in an islamic country either.

in the last decade there have been 18 earthquakes in indonesia, 3 in turkey and 6 in iran. these are just the 3 countries i can remember making the news.

are you so green as to think every penny islamic relief raises comes from muslims? white people are very charitable, i think it's something about their christian duty....

...i don't donate to any charities if the money goes out of the UK.

*sigh* So white people like you are charitable as long as it's for other white people, is that what you;re saying?

As for the rest:
No, not every penny raised by Islamic Relief will come from muslims. But around 99.999% will, at a guess. Oxfam, Christian Aid, the IRC, Disaster Emergency Committee, UNICEF... these huge charities all have Pakistan relief funds. Why would a non-muslim choose islamic relief - a charity for muslims - when there are so many other, non-religiously-affiliated ways to give?
Do you understand the point here, Billy? I'm not sure you will. But it's the best I can do, sorry.

PS: it's funny you estimate that the non-Islamic Relief sources I quote come to '1.5%' of the total from the UK...
British muslims make up 2.7% of the population - so by the time you add in the funds from by far the biggest muslim charity, i'm guessing the total will be.... around 2.7%.
Nice work, Billy, again.

are you saying we only have white people in britain?

i didn't estimate, i worked it out in my head mate. it's actually below 1.5% but i rounded it off for people like you. it's all guesswork by you again and yet you have the audacity to call me stupid. btw...the muslim population of britain is 2.4m. i make that slightly over 4%. care to talk anymore shit?

[heavycola]

i myself have always thought that natural disasters are gods way of punishing the evil among us. i never knew that the qu'ran backed up my theory. strange how most natural disaster over the last decade have happened in islamic countries.

I don't want to pour cold water on your theory, but I don't recall New Orleans (2005), China (2008), Haiti (2010), or Chilie (2010), as being "islamic countries." In fact, there is a whole section of my town where a number of houses are still "under water" and I'm not talking about mortages, because of flooding that occured from massive spring rains and a rising ground water level. I'm not in an islamic country either.

in the last decade there have been 18 earthquakes in indonesia, 3 in turkey and 6 in iran. these are just the 3 countries i can remember making the news.

Conclusive proof there, billy. Of course, Indonesia lies on the Sumatra Fault Line between the Eurasian and Pacific plates... I suppose that's Allah's doing too.

are you so green as to think every penny islamic relief raises comes from muslims? white people are very charitable, i think it's something about their christian duty....

...i don't donate to any charities if the money goes out of the UK.

*sigh* So white people like you are charitable as long as it's for other white people, is that what you;re saying?

As for the rest:
No, not every penny raised by Islamic Relief will come from muslims. But around 99.999% will, at a guess. Oxfam, Christian Aid, the IRC, Disaster Emergency Committee, UNICEF... these huge charities all have Pakistan relief funds. Why would a non-muslim choose islamic relief - a charity for muslims - when there are so many other, non-religiously-affiliated ways to give?
Do you understand the point here, Billy? I'm not sure you will. But it's the best I can do, sorry.

PS: it's funny you estimate that the non-Islamic Relief sources I quote come to '1.5%' of the total from the UK...
British muslims make up 2.7% of the population - so by the time you add in the funds from by far the biggest muslim charity, i'm guessing the total will be.... around 2.7%.
Nice work, Billy, again.

are you saying we only have white people in britain?

i didn't estimate, i worked it out in my head mate. it's actually below 1.5% but i rounded it off for people like you. it's all guesswork by you again and yet you have the audacity to call me stupid. btw...the muslim population of britain is 2.4m. i make that slightly over 4%. care to talk anymore shit?

Data from the last UK census... Adjusted for Eng/Wales population + Scots population, the Muslim population of the UK works out at 2.7%.

'i was wrong'. That's all it takes. be a man.

[billy07]

i myself have always thought that natural disasters are gods way of punishing the evil among us. i never knew that the qu'ran backed up my theory. strange how most natural disaster over the last decade have happened in islamic countries.

I don't want to pour cold water on your theory, but I don't recall New Orleans (2005), China (2008), Haiti (2010), or Chilie (2010), as being "islamic countries." In fact, there is a whole section of my town where a number of houses are still "under water" and I'm not talking about mortages, because of flooding that occured from massive spring rains and a rising ground water level. I'm not in an islamic country either.

in the last decade there have been 18 earthquakes in indonesia, 3 in turkey and 6 in iran. these are just the 3 countries i can remember making the news.

Conclusive proof there, billy. Of course, Indonesia lies on the Sumatra Fault Line between the Eurasian and Pacific plates... I suppose that's Allah's doing too.

are you so green as to think every penny islamic relief raises comes from muslims? white people are very charitable, i think it's something about their christian duty....

...i don't donate to any charities if the money goes out of the UK.

*sigh* So white people like you are charitable as long as it's for other white people, is that what you;re saying?

As for the rest:
No, not every penny raised by Islamic Relief will come from muslims. But around 99.999% will, at a guess. Oxfam, Christian Aid, the IRC, Disaster Emergency Committee, UNICEF... these huge charities all have Pakistan relief funds. Why would a non-muslim choose islamic relief - a charity for muslims - when there are so many other, non-religiously-affiliated ways to give?
Do you understand the point here, Billy? I'm not sure you will. But it's the best I can do, sorry.

PS: it's funny you estimate that the non-Islamic Relief sources I quote come to '1.5%' of the total from the UK...
British muslims make up 2.7% of the population - so by the time you add in the funds from by far the biggest muslim charity, i'm guessing the total will be.... around 2.7%.
Nice work, Billy, again.

are you saying we only have white people in britain?

i didn't estimate, i worked it out in my head mate. it's actually below 1.5% but i rounded it off for people like you. it's all guesswork by you again and yet you have the audacity to call me stupid. btw...the muslim population of britain is 2.4m. i make that slightly over 4%. care to talk anymore shit?

Data from the last UK census... Adjusted for Eng/Wales population + Scots population, the Muslim population of the UK works out at 2.7%.

'i was wrong'. That's all it takes. be a man.

that consensus was 9 years ago you moron. even you must realise that the muslim population has exploded since then.

here's a link for you http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 621482.ece
i know you're not a man and it makes no difference to hear you say "yeah i admit, i talk shit". i don't need clarification!

[Georgerx7di]

Isn't there a new game out there where gamers can play as the taliban?

[ksslemp]

Pakistan Monsoons--World Muslims Not Helping Muslims

Muslims are not commanded to assist non-Muslims. To do so is a waste of money, because they are going to Hell anyway. The Qur'an and Hadith command that money flow either between Muslims or from non-Muslims to Muslims (Qur'an 9:29).

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran ... relief.htm states that neither has the Islamic community ever been particularly keen on disaster relief, even for Muslim victims. This is because the Qur'an teaches that disasters that befall communities are punishment from Allah.

What compelling reason is there to assist Islamic countries in desperate need when they refuse to help their very own? Billions for war, violence, and insurrection; but none for compassion; none for food, shelter, clothing, and medical attention?

1.3 Billion Muslims in the world could resolve the Pakistan tragedy in a New York Minute, but it is practically against their religion to give aid for those suffering from disasters, attributing them to the deity as retribution for wrong-doing.

Muhammad routinely used natural disaster as a threat to compel others to believe in his claim to be a prophet. The Qur'an specifically says that earthquake and famine are sent by Allah as punishment for the sin of the people (usually unbelief). There is no theological basis for helping those whom Allah is trying to hurt.

Racist.

Also I want to know, are you a christian?

Since when did Muslim become a Race?????
I didn't get the memo.

[ksslemp]

I'm American and against illegal immigration, does this make me a Racist or a Bigot? or does it make me someone who cares about the rule of law and his country? answer: the latter!

Ahhh, if only most of the illegal immigrants were white Canadians. Then we could have kicked them out years ago!

[tzor]

Since when did Muslim become a Race?????
I didn't get the memo.

You must have given the wrong email address. It's a marathon across the entire Islamic world; the first to arrive at Mecca wins. A few parts of the race does require swimming.

[DangerBoy]

I'm American and against illegal immigration, does this make me a Racist or a Bigot? or does it make me someone who cares about the rule of law and his country? answer: the latter!

No, it makes you a bad person according to many on this site. You probably own a gun and shoot randomly at people who don't look like you. If you were sophisticated and thought about your fellow man a little more you wouldn't be such a racist AND a bigot. Please fill out an application to attend a European university right away as you are in dire need of proper education.

[heavycola]

I'm American and against illegal immigration, does this make me a Racist or a Bigot? or does it make me someone who cares about the rule of law and his country? answer: the latter!

No, it makes you a bad person according to many on this site. You probably own a gun and shoot randomly at people who don't look like you. If you were sophisticated and thought about your fellow man a little more you wouldn't be such a racist AND a bigot. Please fill out an application to attend a European university right away as you are in dire need of proper education.

Is anyone here in favour of illegal immigration?
didn't think so.
Most right-thinking people can see, however, why someone would go to all the trouble of smuggling themselves across borders to work shitty jobs if it gives them and their family a better life.
Disliking illegal immigration is sensible. Disliking illegal immigrants is bigotry.


Billy - hands up, you've got better info than me. It's not 2.7%, it is closer to 4%, as you point out, although 'exploded' was a particular way of putting it.

[silvanricky]

Since when did Muslim become a Race?????

About the same time butt fucking became a civil right

[PLAYER57832]

Now cite something from a politically correct source and join the crusade for utopia.

"Politically correct" news sources generally ignore all forms of charity and the reporting thereof.

Blatantly liberal (commie pinko socialist etc) news sources (like the Huff Po) probably wouldn't cover this anyway.

Actually heard something of this on Alternative Radio. (never heard of huff po) I won't post the link because it costs money to listen. But...

[tzor]

Actually heard something of this on Alternative Radio. (never heard of huff po) I won't post the link because it costs money to listen. But...

You never heard of the Huff Po? I'll probably hate myself in the morning for giving you that link.

[jonesthecurl]

's OK - everyone else hates you already.
Welcome to the club.

[tzor]

Cool ...
Where's the bar?
What do you mean the new guy has to buy everyone a round of drinks!

[DoomYoshi]

Many are lamenting for a return to the old days of the forum, when there was no trash can and instead we just had wholesome, family entertainment. I chose this thread to bump specifically because of heavycola's signature.

I for one, support a return of xenophobia to the main forum, where it can be proudly given the prominent place it deserves, instead of being isolated to the Trash Can. Too long have our best posts been wallowing in the Trash Can! Let us instead celebrate the total depravity of this forum.

I should note that this thread comes from the heaviest-ever moderated period in this forum's history. People were getting banned for double-posting and too many smilies, but this thread and many others like it were allowed.

[riskllama]

thx for that nice bit of absurdity, courtesy of tzor, DY - thumbs up.