SultanOfSurreal wrote:i just wanted to post this now, knowing how badly i'll be trashed for it, so in two years i can bring the thread back and laugh at all of you. so file this one away, if you please: obama will win reelection in 2012 with at least 300 electoral votes.
please to note i'm not saying this is necessarily a good thing -- i mean, it's better than having one of the deranged fascists from the republican party, but as per usual, the simpering center-right politics of democrats in general and obama in particular is nothing if not frustrating in its own right.
no. i'm merely making an observation based on the history of such things, that obama is decidedly favored to win a reelection bid. not that any of the conservatives here will stop their furious masturbation long enough to acknowledge it, but such is life
Well, you can bring back this one, too.
I don't believe you are correct. You might have been, before corporations were given a blank slate to advertize their
political opinions, with no regard to facts or truth. People will continue to get
just barely enough to eat, have some kind of house. Most of the public has already been convinced that even basic health care is "not a right". They oppose a healthcare bill that actually includes most provisions people want. Tea partiers come in and talk about "lower taxes".. and people believe it even though details are noticeably absent. (Only when an idea is already approved, then the Tea Partiers come in and say "oh, yeah... we were for that!") People have bought the corporate line of goods lock, stock and barrel. Never mind that the unemployment rate is at 9.6% EXACTLY when the wealthies people in our country are getting far, far wealthier and havein FAR fewer limits on their activities. All we have to do, according to both Tea Partiers and the Republicans is just open more doors to the wealthy, remove all those "nasty Obama restrictions" --things like the consumer protection agency tasked with halting credit card abuses, limiting banks ability to invest without having the funds to back risk... etc.
More and more will be taken away, but only gradually. It's classic Machiavelli. Give the people just enough to keep them from revolting. Meanwhile, ensure that any means they have of revolt are taken away.
Unions -- KILL THEM, "Nasty things" that just demand too much. (sometimes that is even true) Environmental rules? Forget them -- who cares if future generation's world is destroyed, if there is no longer clean water, if most people can no longer even have a decent garden for fear of contaminated soils? As long as a few people are getting wealthy, giving a few jobs here and there ... THAT is what matters.
The country has been fed a load of corporate goods and buys into it lock, stock and barrel. Voices of opposition barely exist. the liks of Glenn Back and Sarah Palin generate huge audiences, whilst folks like Noam Chamski and Ralph Nadar are not even covered except in remote liberal backwaters.
I don't know and honestly don't care if Obama gets re-elected. I do know this country and therefore the world are headed for some pretty nasty times for anyone who is truly wealthy. Oh, and for once, I will clarify what I mean by "wealthy". I don't mean those making more than $250,000. I don't even mean those with 2.5 million or so under their belts. It mikght, just barely, include those who bring in, regularly more than a couple million every year. However, mostly it means those who snear at that type of income as "unworthy", "chicken change". I mean folks who's incomes we don't really know, because so much is "hidden" in various ways -- tied up in multiple investments, etc. I mean the people who you don't hear about, but who can pick up the phone for any politician and (provided they have any sense) get an immediate audience. Except.. mostly they cannot be bothered. Too obvious. Nay, they prefer to work behind the scenes.
So, no. The folks have spoken. They want Machiavelli to lead, and that is EXACTLY whom they will get. Whomever is in office just doesn't matter. The true princes don't get elected, they buy elections. That was the only thing tested this past November 2nd.
