4th Great Awakening in American History

[Phatscotty]

Write the chapter and close the book.

It's over.

Nothing to see here people.

Move along.

Remember, remember, the 2nd of Novemeber....otherwise known as "6 days ago"

We've only Just begun

[BigBallinStalin]

I PREFER DEATH!!

After I kill all who are against me of course.

[Phatscotty]

I PREFER DEATH!!

After I kill all who are against me of course.

How "Oklahoma City" of you

[radiojake]

I believe in people. That we all were born with an even playing field, and if YOU don't make good choices, YOU reap what YOU sow!


STOP looking for handouts! Get a job.

I love this implication - You don't think that there are people who are working their guts out but still struggle to live under or just above the poverty line? I often find there is very little correlation between people's salaries and how hard they worked -

By the way, from what I can tell, there is no left in the US political landscape, it may be left to what you consider yourself, but it is not left per se, so chill the f*ck out and stop screaming red when there is not even the slightest chance of that colour appearing anytime soon.

[BigBallinStalin]

I PREFER DEATH!!

After I kill all who are against me of course.

How "Oklahoma City" of you

Have you read that man's novel? The oklahoma city bomber's?

[PLAYER57832]

Exactly
No financial crisis for you and I dont see too much mass starvation in California

how about now?

The problems in California result from a failure to regulate the banking industry and require full taxation from the wealthy.

Even so, no .. you do not see mass starvation in California. And, thanks to some unusually strict environmental regulation, they actually have a base upong which to fall, still. Good news for the rest of us since California provides a large percentage of our food.

[Phatscotty]

Exactly
No financial crisis for you and I dont see too much mass starvation in California

how about now?

The problems in California result from a failure to regulate the banking industry and require full taxation from the wealthy.

not asking about who's fault it is. pointing out the attitude that Comic and many other like minded individuals held a few years ago.

If you want to point the blame, like you always do, why not start with the people that denied the problem in the first place and would not even acknowledge the situation?

Even so, no .. you do not see mass starvation in California. And, thanks to some unusually strict environmental regulation, they actually have a base upong which to fall, still. Good news for the rest of us since California provides a large percentage of our food.

We saw huge cuts in welfare and food aid in California. Are you saying that we can make massive cuts in welfare and people will not be starving?

[2dimes]

That's not what she said at all. She said "You don't see" it.

[Phatscotty]

That's not what she said at all. She said "You don't see" it.

wit

[PLAYER57832]

We saw huge cuts in welfare and food aid in California. Are you saying that we can make massive cuts in welfare and people will not be starving?

No.

[PLAYER57832]

I believe in people. That we all were born with an even playing field, and if YOU don't make good choices, YOU reap what YOU sow!


STOP looking for handouts! Get a job.

I love this implication - You don't think that there are people who are working their guts out but still struggle to live under or just above the poverty line? I often find there is very little correlation between people's salaries and how hard they worked -

By the way, from what I can tell, there is no left in the US political landscape, it may be left to what you consider yourself, but it is not left per se, so chill the f*ck out and stop screaming red when there is not even the slightest chance of that colour appearing anytime soon.

[Phatscotty]

We saw huge cuts in welfare and food aid in California. Are you saying that we can make massive cuts in welfare and people will not be starving?

No.

well, welfare cuts happened, and they weren't small. Either people are starving or they aren't. Which is it?

[PLAYER57832]

First, this:

Exactly
No financial crisis for you and I dont see too much mass starvation in California

how about now?

The problems in California result from a failure to regulate the banking industry and require full taxation from the wealthy.

not asking about who's fault it is. pointing out the attitude that Comic and many other like minded individuals held a few years ago.

If you want to point the blame, like you always do, why not start with the people that denied the problem in the first place and would not even acknowledge the situation?

lol

Been there, done that.... beginning several years ago.

Sadly, you are not interested in truly investigating what happened or why, you prefer to just pick out the pieces that fit your agenda and distort the rest.

We saw huge cuts in welfare and food aid in California. Are you saying that we can make massive cuts in welfare and people will not be starving?

No.

well, welfare cuts happened, and they weren't small. Either people are starving or they aren't. Which is it?

I am saying you have distorted this whole issue. Offering welfare was not the problem per se. (yes, I am among the first to say that the exact way many of these programs work is not great, but welfare is needed). The problem is that wealthy people, companies, etc were not asked to truly pay for all the largess they recieved.

That, and a banking system that frankly encouraged abuse.

Plus... a few other matters. ( ranging from loss of timber to cuts in fishing, to over-allocated water systems, to a dot.com bust, to ...)

The problems in California are not due to, as you like to insist heft environmental regulations, excess taxes, and too much welfare. Just the opposite. Those are the things that have kept it from crashing even sooner.

[oVo]

#1 1760-80's. American Revolution and "all men are created equal" - a shift
#2 1824-reconstruction. American Civil War and "men giving their lives for the rights of all Americans" - a shift
#3 1940-1960's. The Civil Rights movements and MLK "I have a dream" - a Shift
#4 2009-present ????? ??????? - a shift

I started reading the posts on first page... and had to return to the original post.
#1 - American Revolution..."all men are created equal" but it seems the sign of those times should have read "some men are created more equal than others." #2 - gets a bit closer, yet there is still that nagging problem as many people continue to be treated as less than human and even women's rights do not exist. #3 - was a good beginning as Civil Rights is finally more than just a concept. We've come a long way and still there is a long way to go before "equality" is actually realized. It's a fact that race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, social strata and government have all seen improvements in the USA over the years... and still "all men are created equal" is yet to be fully realized.

The Democrats fared well in 2008, the Republicans rebounded in 2010 and the government still has the appearance of a dog chasing it's own tail. It's amazing that people still maintain strong allegiances to either major party when they have heard the same promises made for their entire voting life only to see all candidates fail to live up to those pledges. You can't expect a different result from a process that keeps repeating itself. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

The World has been in crisis for all of human history and will remain that way until the basic needs of all it's inhabitants are met.

George Bush is conducting televised interviews recently, but the purpose isn't to clear the air about decisions made during his two terms as President of the United States.
Truth is, he has a book to sell.

[BigBallinStalin]

#1 1760-80's. American Revolution and "all men are created equal" - a shift
#2 1824-reconstruction. American Civil War and "men giving their lives for the rights of all Americans" - a shift
#3 1940-1960's. The Civil Rights movements and MLK "I have a dream" - a Shift
#4 2009-present ????? ??????? - a shift
#5 present-future PROFIT

[InkL0sed]

Have I mentioned how colossally ignorant the title of this thread is? Is Phatscotty aware that "the Great Awakening" refers to the rise of religion in the US in various periods?

[Phatscotty]

#1 1760-80's. American Revolution and "all men are created equal" - a shift
#2 1824-reconstruction. American Civil War and "men giving their lives for the rights of all Americans" - a shift
#3 1940-1960's. The Civil Rights movements and MLK "I have a dream" - a Shift
#4 2009-present ????? ??????? - a shift

I started reading the posts on first page... and had to return to the original post.
#1 - American Revolution..."all men are created equal" but it seems the sign of those times should have read "some men are created more equal than others." #2 - gets a bit closer, yet there is still that nagging problem as many people continue to be treated as less than human and even women's rights do not exist. #3 - was a good beginning as Civil Rights is finally more than just a concept. We've come a long way and still there is a long way to go before "equality" is actually realized. It's a fact that race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, social strata and government have all seen improvements in the USA over the years... and still "all men are created equal" is yet to be fully realized.

The Democrats fared well in 2008, the Republicans rebounded in 2010 and the government still has the appearance of a dog chasing it's own tail. It's amazing that people still maintain strong allegiances to either major party when they have heard the same promises made for their entire voting life only to see all candidates fail to live up to those pledges. You can't expect a different result from a process that keeps repeating itself. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

and then the Tea Party Happened.



Once the Gadsden it waved, it cannot be reversed

[BigBallinStalin]

Have I mentioned how colossally ignorant the title of this thread is? Is Phatscotty aware that "the Great Awakening" refers to the rise of religion in the US in various periods?

Yeah we read that before.

YOU ARE NOW BANNED.

[Phatscotty]

Have I mentioned how colossally ignorant the title of this thread is? Is Phatscotty aware that "the Great Awakening" refers to the rise of religion in the US in various periods?

yes.

In fact, the name of the thread is 100% inspired by it.

Keep up the good work!

[InkL0sed]

Have I mentioned how colossally ignorant the title of this thread is? Is Phatscotty aware that "the Great Awakening" refers to the rise of religion in the US in various periods?

Yeah we read that before.

YOU ARE NOW BANNED.

Oops. In my defense, it was a serious question... every time I see this thread, that's what I think. I was pretty sure I hadn't actually said anything though.

[Phatscotty]

Have I mentioned how colossally ignorant the title of this thread is? Is Phatscotty aware that "the Great Awakening" refers to the rise of religion in the US in various periods?

Yeah we read that before.

YOU ARE NOW BANNED.

Oops. In my defense, it was a serious question... every time I see this thread, that's what I think. I was pretty sure I hadn't actually said anything though.

No, you are totally right though. However, in this context, it's about "We need people to WAKE UP!" People are waking up, and if there needs to be a religious part that Glenn Beck is destined to fill then he can do that too. The Tea Party has a chance to change things. The independents and some democrats and even anarchists are on board as well as conservatives. I think it's a pretty strong base, and about as diverse as it is going to get. It could get more diverse if people could stop smearing it with racial elements, it only hurts those who are trying to help.

[PLAYER57832]

Newsflash, the Tea Party is not about real change. Its about demanding more without regard to consequence.

The party of real change is the green party. But saving the world and our future is not as "fun" as adding a few extra dollars into peoples wallets today... even if those dollars are but illusion.

[Phatscotty]

Newsflash, the Tea Party is not about real change. Its about demanding more without regard to consequence.

give me an example

[Juan_Bottom]

Just finished Common Sense by Glen Beck. A must read for any red blooded American. The first step is to register INDEPENDENT, as both parties are destroying this country.

I know this is a little like post necromancy, but for some reason I never got to read this thread until now. I would say this should be the last thing you should do. Let's face it, what you register has little real effect on anything, but it does have one impact; in many states it allows you to vote in the primaries. By registering as BLANK (in New York, ironically "Independent" is actually a political party, not registering in any party is called a "BLANK" as no party appears on the voter rolls) you deprive yourself the ability to vote in any primary. Thus you should register to the party you feel cloest to and the one you think you have the best chance of changing. It doesn't mean you have to vote for whoever the party selects.

I'm reading "Armed Madhouse" by Greg Palast and he's talking, in detail, about how registering yourself as Democrat in 2000 and 2004 was a great way to have your vote thrown out in swing states. Both Kerry and Gore won the Democratic election for president*, but because 3 Million votes (largely democratic from poor Hispanic, black, and Native American districts) were lost or thrown away, the electoral college gave the win to Bush. Requiring people to register a party is just another way to filter the vote.
You can youtube his investigative reports for the BBC.


*I say this because I'm ignoring the Electoral College here


EDIT:
Theft of the 2008 Election Part 1 If it's something that you have an interest in, investigating both Democratic and Republican voter fraud.

[InkL0sed]

Newsflash, the Tea Party is not about real change. Its about demanding more without regard to consequence.

give me an example

I'm not going to make any claims about the beliefs of its supporters, because they are many and various, but we all know regardless that the Republicans will just cut no spending relative to the taxes. Then they can turn around and talk about how government sucks and never works, leaving out the part that they're pretty much actively trying to hinder its function. They get elected on the grounds that government doesn't work, so in office, they make sure things stay that way.

Basically, the only difference between Democrats and Republicans in general, at this point, is that Democrats are willing to raise taxes somewhere to at least attempt to pay for things. Nobody is really going to cut programs. And in the end, Americans don't really want spending them cut. They say they do, but when you get into the details, you realize the vast majority of people have no idea what they're talking about. Hence such sentiments as "Keep your government hands off my Medicare!"