4th Great Awakening in American History

[Phatscotty]

Newsflash, the Tea Party is not about real change. Its about demanding more without regard to consequence.

give me an example

I'm not going to make any claims about the beliefs of its supporters, because they are many and various, but we all know regardless that the Republicans will just cut no spending relative to the taxes.

At least this time, the Tea Party candidates admit that was the problem, and have echoed your words verbatim. They could still of course turn into D-bags, but since they know the problem, admit the problem of the past, I am giving them the benefit of the doubt. Let them cast a few votes and we'll see

Then they can turn around and talk about how government sucks and never works, leaving out the part that they're pretty much actively trying to hinder its function. They get elected on the grounds that government doesn't work, so in office, they make sure things stay that way.

The idea is to go to Washington and shrink it, yes, shrink themselves. People who have lived what they say deserve at least a chance to demonstrate further what they say. A good cartoon comes to mind here

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Basically, the only difference between Democrats and Republicans in general, at this point, is that Democrats are willing to raise taxes somewhere to at least attempt to pay for things. Nobody is really going to cut programs. And in the end, Americans don't really want spending them cut. They say they do, but when you get into the details, you realize the vast majority of people have no idea what they're talking about. Hence such sentiments as "Keep your government hands off my Medicare!"

Another thing the Democrats and Republicans have in common, they are both going to have to deal with the Tea Party, which has been echoing your sentiments word for word. This time, we sent people who we believe actually WILL DO IT. Time will tell

[PLAYER57832]

Newsflash, the Tea Party is not about real change. Its about demanding more without regard to consequence.

give me an example

#1, there is no one "Tea Party", so the group, anyone associated with it can conveniently claim any idea they like and disavow any claim they wish.

#2. The only real "uniting" idea is "cut taxes". But, no specifics, no tangible ideas. A lot of things are thrown out by individual members, but not by the whole group

#3. Cutting taxes would be nice, but with our deficit as high as it is, some taxes are going to have to go up. Denying this, pretending that its all a "Democratic ploy" is false. Giving people the illusion it is possible is just adding to the anger that will happen when the truth finally hits.. and setting the stage for an even more antagonistic, perhaps even violant political arena upcoming.

#4. Even though the "no tax" bit was in the forefront, when you dig into areas where the Tea Party actually impacted elections, a lot of it had to do with issues like abortion, immigration and education -- all under the guise of "fiscal responsibility".

Neither the Democrats nor the Republican parties have a lot to be proud about, but at least they have something of a platform. The Tea Party likes to swoop in after and claim success, and just denies failures as "not really representing us", too often. If they actually put forward a plan and stood by it, I might not agree, but would at least respect them.

[Phatscotty]

Newsflash, the Tea Party is not about real change. Its about demanding more without regard to consequence.

give me an example

#1, there is no one "Tea Party", so the group, anyone associated with it can conveniently claim any idea they like and disavow any claim they wish.

regardless, there is "one major issue" that they all agree on

#2. The only real "uniting" idea is "cut taxes". But, no specifics, no tangible ideas. A lot of things are thrown out by individual members, but not by the whole group

Wrong, and then more wrong. Guess again

#3. Cutting taxes would be nice, but with our deficit as high as it is, some taxes are going to have to go up. Denying this, pretending that its all a "Democratic ploy" is false. Giving people the illusion it is possible is just adding to the anger that will happen when the truth finally hits.. and setting the stage for an even more antagonistic, perhaps even violant political arena upcoming.

still, going down the wrong path, further mangling it with politics for dummies. Not even really addressing since the premise is incorrect

#4. Even though the "no tax" bit was in the forefront, when you dig into areas where the Tea Party actually impacted elections, a lot of it had to do with issues like abortion, immigration and education -- all under the guise of "fiscal responsibility".

Disagree

Neither the Democrats nor the Republican parties have a lot to be proud about, but at least they have something of a platform. The Tea Party likes to swoop in after and claim success, and just denies failures as "not really representing us", too often. If they actually put forward a plan and stood by it, I might not agree, but would at least respect them.

what is the democrat-republican party platform? The Tea Party isn't "in" anything yet. Geez! Let them actually take a seat and begin to implement the plans.

[Juan_Bottom]

In the last election, did the Tea-Party put forth their own candidate anywhere, or just endorse them?

[Phatscotty]

In the last election, did the Tea-Party put forth their own candidate anywhere, or just endorse them?

You are asking to wrong question...but there was clearly a choice in the primaries between republican's and tea party candidates. We did not put any forth, we grew them organically in most cases.

[PLAYER57832]

In the last election, did the Tea-Party put forth their own candidate anywhere, or just endorse them?

You are asking to wrong question...but there was clearly a choice in the primaries between republican's and tea party candidates. We did not put any forth, we grew them organically in most cases.

No, mostly the Tea Party sat back and then leaped into support folks already winning, at least in the primaries. In the main election, Palin, at least had a lot less success.

[PLAYER57832]

#2. The only real "uniting" idea is "cut taxes". But, no specifics, no tangible ideas. A lot of things are thrown out by individual members, but not by the whole group

Wrong, and then more wrong. Guess again

No guessing, present evidence.

Last time I asked, you put forward YOUR ideas. They were not, however (though you might wish otherwise) anything official. In fact, to claim an "official position" you first have to clarify exactly which tea party it is to which you are referring.

#3. Cutting taxes would be nice, but with our deficit as high as it is, some taxes are going to have to go up. Denying this, pretending that its all a "Democratic ploy" is false. Giving people the illusion it is possible is just adding to the anger that will happen when the truth finally hits.. and setting the stage for an even more antagonistic, perhaps even violant political arena upcoming.

still, going down the wrong path, further mangling it with politics for dummies. Not even really addressing since the premise is incorrect

That our deficit is so high taxes must be raised?
Well, then you disagree with most ecomists. Tell us again, where did you get your economics degrees?

Neither the Democrats nor the Republican parties have a lot to be proud about, but at least they have something of a platform. The Tea Party likes to swoop in after and claim success, and just denies failures as "not really representing us", too often. If they actually put forward a plan and stood by it, I might not agree, but would at least respect them.

what is the democrat-republican party platform? The Tea Party isn't "in" anything yet. Geez! Let them actually take a seat and begin to implement the plans.

I see, so all this vitriol against the Democrats has nothing to do with knowing about their policies? Interesting, that.

[Phatscotty]

In the last election, did the Tea-Party put forth their own candidate anywhere, or just endorse them?

You are asking to wrong question...but there was clearly a choice in the primaries between republican's and tea party candidates. We did not put any forth, we grew them organically in most cases.

No, mostly the Tea Party sat back and then leaped into support folks already winning, at least in the primaries. In the main election, Palin, at least had a lot less success.

Ridiculous.

I realize, suddenly. I'm not too worried about someone who doesn't get it. I can help you try to get it, unless of course you do not want to. I'm not arguing with you so much as I am just trying keep the conversation accurate.

[PLAYER57832]

In the last election, did the Tea-Party put forth their own candidate anywhere, or just endorse them?

You are asking to wrong question...but there was clearly a choice in the primaries between republican's and tea party candidates. We did not put any forth, we grew them organically in most cases.

No, mostly the Tea Party sat back and then leaped into support folks already winning, at least in the primaries. In the main election, Palin, at least had a lot less success.

Ridiculous.

I realize, suddenly. I'm not too worried about someone who doesn't get it. I can help you try to get it, unless of course you do not want to. I'm not arguing with you so much as I am just trying keep the conversation accurate.

Well, see, its pretty hard to "get" something that has no proof, that is, in fact contrary to evidence. Provide PROOF, that is what I have asked and you claimed you had. Right now, all I see are your repeated opinions, but no data. Yet, you dismiss out of hand any data I present, (often without even bothering to read it)

[Phatscotty]

In the last election, did the Tea-Party put forth their own candidate anywhere, or just endorse them?

You are asking to wrong question...but there was clearly a choice in the primaries between republican's and tea party candidates. We did not put any forth, we grew them organically in most cases.

No, mostly the Tea Party sat back and then leaped into support folks already winning, at least in the primaries. In the main election, Palin, at least had a lot less success.

Ridiculous.

I realize, suddenly. I'm not too worried about someone who doesn't get it. I can help you try to get it, unless of course you do not want to. I'm not arguing with you so much as I am just trying keep the conversation accurate.

Well, see, its pretty hard to "get" something that has no proof, that is, in fact contrary to evidence. Provide PROOF, that is what I have asked and you claimed you had. Right now, all I see are your repeated opinions, but no data. Yet, you dismiss out of hand any data I present, (often without even bothering to read it)

I can't prove that we grew our candidates organically? I am not trying to prove anything here, only sharing my first hand experience. It is on you to accept or dismiss, and if you like to add, why.

this is getting too ridiculous now. I wasn't even talking to you. Plus, you just ignored my chart in the inflation thread. repeatedly

[Phatscotty]

Have I mentioned how colossally ignorant the title of this thread is? Is Phatscotty aware that "the Great Awakening" refers to the rise of religion in the US in various periods?

Regardless, America is waking up