**FINISHED** First JsSM - Flores wins.

[aage]

flow, if you'd do that I honestly think I would hammer again. Voting for yourself is the worst strategy out there and I don't think you should be kept alive if you put yourself at L-1, and that's disregarding the fact that only scum would come up with such a strategy. And you, as it turns out. I read your role wrong, it might possibly be because I never played with you before?

Still, Tailgunner, I want to know, is there any other reason for voting flow other than her being the only other player that could play the bulletproof mafia role?

[Flow520]

flow, if you'd do that I honestly think I would hammer again.

As I previously stated, of course you would.

Voting for yourself is the worst strategy out there

Opinion

only scum would come up with such a strategy

Disproved as a Roleblocker townie did it...

Perhaps that Roleblocker townie you hammered the first day had blocked you from killing the first night... *Leans over in an obvious manner* *Wink* *Wink*

Flow

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Still, Tailgunner, I want to know, is there any other reason for voting flow other than her being the only other player that could play the bulletproof mafia role?

No not really. Flow hasn't had a chance to post that much, so I'm just trying to gauge flow's reaction. Which leads me to this:

Perhaps that Roleblocker townie you hammered the first day had blocked you from killing the first night... *Leans over in an obvious manner* *Wink* *Wink*

You were dead. However I won't ask any more because the dead don't talk. But the fact you brought up that point is strange. My vote stays on you.

-Tails

[aage]

only scum would come up with such a strategy

Disproved as a Roleblocker townie did it...

As I adressed in my post. This is why dead people shouldn't replace inactive people in a game. Old grudges really ruin the game, not to mention that these dead people are aware of the actions they performed in their former life. I suppose anyone would've questioned the way I hammered flores D1, but I've defended against it. If you still believe it's a good reason to get back on me, I suppose that's also an opinion.

[aage]

only scum would come up with such a strategy. And you, as it turns out.

Maybe this quote can clear up some stuff I mention in my previous post. It's right in the middle of an incoherent paragraph, you might've honestly missed it.

On that note, "reading your role" really means "taking a shot at deducing your role".

[Flow520]

The moderator told us all the role of the character lynched on day one. I gave away nothing.
My vote for aage was based purely on actions that smelled like scum.

Flow

[aage]

You gave nothing away? lmao

Perhaps that Roleblocker townie you hammered the first day had blocked you from killing the first night... *Leans over in an obvious manner* *Wink* *Wink*

Please repeat that.

Sure your vote was based on scumtells that have nothing to do with your previous role what so ever, but you can't deny what you already said. This is not a matter of being scummy, this is just a matter of playing the game as you should.

[Flow520]

It was completely conjecture emphasized for effect.
However, I'd say that my conjecture makes sense and gives a logical answer to your statement:

I am a vig that has to kill every night. I chose to kill Flow, didn't have a real reason for it or anything, I just had to kill anyone. Next I know, he's bulletproof.

Nice try though.

Flow

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I really want to ask a question as to how you roleblocked whilst dead, but since you were dead, that should be impossible. So don't answer please. However, the fact that you try to emphasize you towniness in a previous life suggests to me that you're trying cover yourself, while blaming aage, who makes an easy target for lynching you D1 and admitting to a vig role. Don't get me wrong, aage is suspicious, but if he's the only vig role left, then he could be the town's only means to night kill a maf. Just a gut feeling on this. If I had replaced someone, but had a previous role, I wouldn't bring that up.

-Tails

[aage]

Not so fast, surprise, surprise, we start with a night.

Night 0, go

Send in your night actions if you've got 'em.

That might explain why Flow claims that his previous incarnation might have roleblocked someone (hunch hunch, who might it be ).

[FloresDelMal]

Flores, I'll repeat, do you think me so big an idiot? :/

not a big idiot, but everyone can slip and have a lapsus of attention ^^

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Yeah but would he have night 0 kills? Maybe that's a noob-ish question, but it seems like night 0 kills could have possibly ended the game. And if there were, it just so happened that flow chose you?

-Tails

[FloresDelMal]

tails and aage scum buddies? if that is the case with 2 townies and 2 scums, doesnt scum automatically wins? or we stay stuck forever? i dont remember how that works

[FloresDelMal]

Yeah but would he have night 0 kills? Maybe that's a noob-ish question, but it seems like night 0 kills could have possibly ended the game. And if there were, it just so happened that flow chose you?

-Tails

coincidence happens, and sometimes ppl forget to send their night actions, we cant deduce the towniness of our killer because of this, the other thing that seems extremely fishy to me is that he said i "MUST" kill, making this imperative, of all the times in the past when i got Vig i never got forced to use my power, in fact a Vig is useful to town only if use very carefully its power, if not is way most likely to reduce the number of townies before hit scum.

[aage]

tails and aage scum buddies? if that is the case with 2 townies and 2 scums, doesnt scum automatically wins? or we stay stuck forever? i dont remember how that works

Yes, scum would win, but since we haven't yet, we're not scumbuddies. Thanks for asking.

coincidence happens, and sometimes ppl forget to send their night actions, we cant deduce the towniness of our killer because of this, the other thing that seems extremely fishy to me is that he said i "MUST" kill, making this imperative, of all the times in the past when i got Vig i never got forced to use my power, in fact a Vig is useful to town only if use very carefully its power, if not is way most likely to reduce the number of townies before hit scum.

I disagree on two areas.
The nights have been too short for anyone to "forget" their night action. Haggis would've probably prodded them or waited until they'd respond. So forgetting to send night actions wouldn't be a very solid theory imo.
I also find it strange that I have to kill every night, but I gotta live with it. "silly mafia game" apparently does what it says.

[FloresDelMal]

I also find it strange that I have to kill every night, but I gotta live with it. "silly mafia game" apparently does what it says.

yeah, you have to "live" with it, but the truth is that we are 4 players, that means if we go no lynch, now that you killed the town roleblocker, and taking in account the fact that we haven't been outnumbered by scum yet, you have 2 chances out of 3 of hit town, that makes you more of a liability than anything else to town, i'am really sorry for you if that is the case, if you really hold the interest of town at heart maybe you should hammer yourself, i have done this in the past when my death was more useful to my faction than my life, when playing mafia you cant be individualist, not if you want to win.

[aage]

Flores, if what you say is true and you lynch me, you're all going to be endgamed tomorrow by any mafia left. You know that. Despite my vote being already on you, FoS.

Also, I'm not being individualist. It's just pretty clear to me that if I'm the vig and i have 1/4 chance to hit scum, I should always take that chance rather than kill myself and have 0/4 chance.

[FloresDelMal]

Flores, if what you say is true and you lynch me, you're all going to be endgamed tomorrow by any mafia left. You know that. Despite my vote being already on you, FoS.

Also, I'm not being individualist. It's just pretty clear to me that if I'm the vig and i have 1/4 chance to hit scum, I should always take that chance rather than kill myself and have 0/4 chance.

that's a fair point and btw, even after i claimed and i didnt got counterclaimed, why do you still have your vote on me if you are a vig and not a SK ?

[aage]

Because I don't like switching votes every 5 seconds.

[FloresDelMal]

Because I don't like switching votes every 5 seconds.

but is all the rage at our other game

[aage]

It is now lol, but every post in this topic is swaying discussion from one end to another.

Still, on your point of not being counterclaimed: that's not really an argument... I haven't been counterclaimed either, but you are also voting me.

Anyway, on the topic of claiming, I've been thinking and I believe there might be some kind of cop out there. Since there can't be 2 scum there must be 1, in which case any cop who can accurately describe someone's role is reliable enough for me. So I'll just throw this out there: is there a cop in here?

[Flow520]

Yeah, that's right, any cops out there should speak up now so SK aage can blow your head off tonight

[FloresDelMal]

It is now lol, but every post in this topic is swaying discussion from one end to another.

Still, on your point of not being counterclaimed: that's not really an argument... I haven't been counterclaimed either, but you are also voting me.

Anyway, on the topic of claiming, I've been thinking and I believe there might be some kind of cop out there. Since there can't be 2 scum there must be 1, in which case any cop who can accurately describe someone's role is reliable enough for me. So I'll just throw this out there: is there a cop in here?

its true that at this point a mass claim seems in order, and now about you not being counter claimed, seriously, how many killers do you want in a game this small lol, plus you already tried to kill me, should i unvote you so you can try to kill me again?

[aage]

Flow, please. There's been 2 claims so far. If a cop can verify anything we can be pretty much 100% sure that we kill the right guy. I take it from your response that you're not the cop, or you are but AoG just hasn't done anything the past two nights? Either way, I really think AoG hasn't done anything the last two nights, so disregard that...


Fastposted
Why would I kill you again if you unvote me? I'll only NK when it's night, and since it's not I don't see the point.

As on how many killers I got in this game: er, my nk got blocked twice and during only 1 of these nights i was roleblocked (or so flow claims)... there must be either bulletproof or a doc out there. There's 2 people that haven't claimed yet and there's you who claimed busdriver. I think it's not impossible for there to be multiple killing roles.

[aage]

Fastposted
Why would I kill you again if you unvote me? I'll only NK when it's night, and since it's not I don't see the point.

As on how many killers I got in this game: er, my nk got blocked twice and during only 1 of these nights i was roleblocked (or so flow claims)... there must be either bulletproof or a doc out there. There's 2 people that haven't claimed yet and there's you who claimed busdriver. I think it's not impossible for there to be multiple killing roles.

This bit is @ Flores' last post, not @Flow.