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[Flow520]

Wait wait wait, I'm here and very much wanting to play. I didn't have anything to contribute to the discussion yet as I'm still sorting through the extensive back history of this first day. Please do not replace me Mr. Squirrel.

Flow

[Fircoal]

Wait wait wait, I'm here and very much wanting to play. I didn't have anything to contribute to the discussion yet as I'm still sorting through the extensive back history of this first day. Please do not replace me Mr. Squirrel.

Flow

someone didn't read Buizel MAfia. x3

[strike wolf]

A little late not to replace you if Serbia's already gotten the role pm...if he hasn't opened it yet than you can possibly stay and Mr. S can delete the pm before Serbia gets it. If he already has opened it...mod decision...

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Wow! 7 pages after work. Okay everybody I'm just gonna post some initial thoughts, I'll post some more in-depth stuff tomorrow after I've had some time to mull it over.

Herk's strategy: If true, then you are a mason. Any townie who can talk with other townies would have mason abilities. However, how were we supposed to to believe you with your info on the doc's name? Even if daze had known, and given the name, you could've easily just said "That's not the name". How would we know? But, that seems very complex, and as edocsil said

A man who can tell a tale like that deserves to live

So I guess I'll believe you, for now.

blakebowling: I don't really know. However if you kept dogging on herk, even when there was a unvote phase and general consensus to listen to herk, maybe you know something that some of us don't.

commander: Same as blake, but you did unvote herk (I think).

um that's all for now. Will try to digest more of this novel.

-Tails

[theherkman]

My liking of Vi only comes from her recent post on the post count between you and I. And the substance.

[offtopic]Vi - You could at least answer me about RA.[/offtopic]

[Iliad]

Wow I missed a lot. Damn my time difference.

Herk's claim, while very confusing seems to be believable. The paradox though is that I'm willing to believe for now that he is town, however I'm still thinking that he is not in fact working in town's favour with his posts of fluff.

As for our day 1 lynch I'm thinking daze would be our best shot. We've spent half the day talking about her bandwagon and her lynch will give us useful information, more than any last ditch bandwagon that starts now or a no lynch. There is a probable chance that she is telling the truth, however the information gained from her lynch, that fact that her rare posts have been completely devoid of useful discussion and I'm kinda doubting her usefulness to town even if she is telling the truth and it doesn't seem like that will change will outweigh that.

A no lynch at this point would probably be the worst outcome after all this discussion. unvote vote daze

[Haggis_McMutton]

Wow I missed a lot. Damn my time difference.

Herk's claim, while very confusing seems to be believable. The paradox though is that I'm willing to believe for now that he is town, however I'm still thinking that he is not in fact working in town's favour with his posts of fluff.

As for our day 1 lynch I'm thinking daze would be our best shot. We've spent half the day talking about her bandwagon and her lynch will give us useful information, more than any last ditch bandwagon that starts now or a no lynch. There is a probable chance that she is telling the truth, however the information gained from her lynch, that fact that her rare posts have been completely devoid of useful discussion and I'm kinda doubting her usefulness to town even if she is telling the truth and it doesn't seem like that will change will outweigh that.

A no lynch at this point would probably be the worst outcome after all this discussion. unvote vote daze

Yep i made this argument like 5 pages ago, before the herk madness, and i still stand by it.

From our current options i think lynching daze is the best one.

To address the point about how even a noob roleblocker who votes randomly is usefull to town(don't remember who made the analysis):why do you only consider scum, and doctors in your analysis? Of course the chance that the doctor targets the right guy and the roleblocker targets the doctor is small, but what about cops, watchers, trackers etc? Their results are useful no matter who they target so the odds of the random roleblocker hindering them is significant.

[FloresDelMal]

My name is Chuck Lewis. Ima town roleblocker. If a doc targets me, my role will be changed. That's why I said my role involved a doc

So, moving on, what might her role change to if targeted?

this sounds awfully like cult or scum recruiter, once recruited you change allingments, which leads me to beliave that daze is really a townie today, but since she told the "doctor" how to find her, if she is not lynched, at night will get recruited therefor changing allingment (either scum or third party), making her a liability to town, so my vote stands where it is.

But fair enough. Already knew it was risky, as well as me defending Dazey.

also FOS violet for try to out the doc while admitting knowledge of how risky it was

That actually made me laugh (not mocking you, just like the way you wrote it )

i take it as a complimment

I know who two townies are, I know their roles, I can communicate with them during the night. No, not masons, before you get that idea stuck in your head. We are all pro-town. I was planning on using the role name like "John Doe" and comparing it to other information I have about a doc. Such as if she said doc's name is "John Smith" I could call her out.

it does seems too complicated for be a lie, i agree with the chu on this

You claimed to know something about two townies, and you also claimed that you could set the records if daze was a lying or not. After you didn't confirm either way, I took it as you were protecting her as your scummate. Maybe I'm reading into things, but that is what I assumed.

even thought that is a possibility we cant discard, i think it could be a strategy too sophisticated for noobs to adopt, which i think it make it less likely.

However, if this doesn't look suspicious at all to everyone else, I'm willing to let this go as this could mean my logic is flawed. However, I would still prefer some explanations on how can this be...

the mod might have included factions inside the game like cult, masons, etc... that are not scum, but they are not exactly townies either.

Before people start FOS'ing me, I'm not asking for him to lay out everything, not by any means. I just think his "I've got information, but I can't tell you because it needs to be a secret" claim is a bit weird.

i think he is just trying to protect himself and his associates of scum which seems a sound choice.

if herk would turn out to be a scum (or someone that's not pro-town), I'd also share the suspicions on Vioiet too. Might be just me, but they definitely seem connected.

why do you link them? i have FOSed violet, but for other reasons, now your supposition seems taken out of thin air to me, so please elaborate, "just a feeling" doesnt cut it.

Whether or not herks telling truth is irrelevant at this point. I believe that someone, mafia or town, is going to kill him tonight because of how confusing and intricate his claim/group is

or he could get protected and investigated *shrugs* you never know

From our current options i think lynching daze is the best one.

To address the point about how even a noob roleblocker who votes randomly is usefull to town(don't remember who made the analysis):why do you only consider scum, and doctors in your analysis? Of course the chance that the doctor targets the right guy and the roleblocker targets the doctor is small, but what about cops, watchers, trackers etc? Their results are useful no matter who they target so the odds of the random roleblocker hindering them is significant.

QFT

[aage]

However much I don't like seperatist coorperations like TheHerk's, I guess voting him off now isn't the way to go.

Since any doc now knows that something will happen if they target Daze, i'm also doubting the usefulness of lynching her, but then she his very, er, newb, impulsive and unpredictable. Vote Dazerazer.

[strike wolf]

Have to agree with flores. The more I think about it the less I trustg this "change" mechanic within daze's role. Other than that we are getting close to deadline and I think that at this point with so much info out there a no lynch would be horrible for town. vote daze

I also don't like senfan and a few other's lack of contribution however I do not feel its's enough to go after them at this point.

[edocsil]

I guess I don't see the info that we are going to get from her death. Either she is telling the truth or she isn't so we will either have a dead scum or a dead townie. While a dead scum would be good what info are we going to get? All the info will be muddled by the personal relations. Interesting voting patterns and the like but how useful will it really be.

Personally I don't think she is scum, so I do not see a positive risk vs reward for lynching her.

[Commander9]

the mod might have included factions inside the game like cult, masons, etc... that are not scum, but they are not exactly townies either.

That's what I meant. I don't know who herk is or who he represents, but judging all of his posts before, I'm leaning towards him being not for the good of the town.

why do you link them? i have FOSed violet, but for other reasons, now your supposition seems taken out of thin air to me, so please elaborate, "just a feeling" doesnt cut it.

Because she has pretty much never talked about herk and always is paying attention to others. She has 4 posts about herk and only one of them has some questioning in the more intense presence. However, as soon as the heat reached it's climax, she went all positive about herk (and definitely not all of his posts have contributed as a lot of them had lots of words, but not content). These are all 4 posts that Vio has posted with mentioning herk:

herk, what is a punisher? I've never heard of that role before.

And strikewolf, tell me what theory are you referencing? I don't believe I've given a ridiculous theory yet in this game.

OH wow!!!! I had not read all of this when I made my last post. I saw strikewolf's post and responded right away, then continued reading. So I was late to all the action.

Wow, now things are really getting good.

I hope people won't jump all over me for saying this- but i think its obvious herk is the doctor.

Anyway, people seemed to look down on me reminding Dazey to post. It almost got her killed Squirrel said not to contact her earlier in the day. If i get his permission i will call her- but I really hate to bother her about mafia. Really its quite trivial to her right now. I mean she likes playing but....
Ack its hard to explain. If i get a yes from Squirrel, I'll contact her. If not, we just have to wait til she checks again.

Well, I find it interesting that herk seemed to disappear for the time being. I guess things didn't go quite the way he planned.

I'm eager to hear his response.

Also to those wondering why I said that. Is it a really big deal. Is it anything that will make the mafia focus more on herk than they already are? Is it anything that someone without half a brain would have been able to conclude themselves?

But fair enough. Already knew it was risky, as well as me defending Dazey.

I caught it as well. If you guys can recall, I had my suspicions on blakebowling very early on in the game.
I called out blake, flores, sens, ace, aog (flow) and sax..lad. Of the six, I have called out blake and sax the most. I either got:
1. Shut Down pretty fast
2. Distracted by niet
3. Ignored by the Dazey bandwagon.

Don't forget that random role claim about 30 pages ago or so.

Commander you haven't spoken too much at all. I think your 20 post fail in comparison to another player's 85 or so post. And that player shall remain nameless

Obviously, this is nowhere near enough to have a concrete case, but I just found it interesting. Ti's it.

[VioIet]

I think it should be obvious that my last four post are about herk, simply because he has been the active topic of discussion. There was no need for me to talk about him before since I had 0 suspicion of him. In light of all the recent happenings, I posted my thoughts. However, I will say that I also have more than four posts about herk- you missed some. I have said on two or three occasions that I think he is an excited townie. Don’t know if that fact fuels or lessens your suspicions.

Now for my thoughts on this re-surging once again Dazey bandwagon

I think you guys are making a mistake by lynching Dazey. What new information will it give? We already know the people who were on her bandwagon- and wish for her to be dead- for whatever reason. We already know the people who unvoted. We know who unvoted and voted again. And we know those whose votes have stayed on her the entire time.

We know her role and her abilities.

Honestly what more is there to know? If she is lynched, and she turns out to be town, will you go against her voters?
I think that you won’t- think you will conveniently ignore it and go “oh well”
I think you guys just want a kill-any kill- and I find that a weak justification.

You guys say she doesn’t contribute in her post, but she is trying. She pretty much is saying all the things that I am saying in this post. She pretty much said it already in her post- just in her own way.
If you don’t understand her communication style so well- I guess I can understand why you think she isn’t contributing. She is learning as she goes along, and I think she is a much better player than she’s getting credit for (ex. Storytime). People are just limited on leads on Day 1, so there is not much to say. She has said no less and no more than many other people, and has actually tried to be careful to only say the bare minimum to stay low-key from the mafia. She is smarter than you all might think- and I highly doubt she will use her abilities just at random

In her last post- she was hinting about needing some type of lead so she would know who not to roleblock- but I don’t think anyone other than myself caught it.

Another option- you just want to lynch her to see whether or not she was telling the truth before you go against some of the bandwagoners? You can give that as a plausible reason- however I still doubt that even if she is lynched and turns up town- that anyone other than myself will really be pursuing her bandwagoners.

And a third option- lynch her, hoping that she is scum, so you can then go against those who have been actively defending her. Well with that approach- if she comes up town- you got nothing.

So in short what I am saying- lynching her is not going to do us any good, imo.

[nagerous]

hi guys I'm going to be away until sunday - hope that's ok.

[edocsil]

Thank Nag, how bought a meaningful post or a short night?

[FloresDelMal]

In her last post- she was hinting about needing some type of lead so she would know who not to roleblock- but I don’t think anyone other than myself caught it.

are you saying that she wanted to out ppl with active actions in order to not block them? why not just make a mass claim for help her to do her job right

oh and btw on the BW of daze, you seem to skim an awful lot for a townie, and saying that daze contributes as much as you do, doesnt help your case, you seem to have skimmed my post

My name is Chuck Lewis. Ima town roleblocker. If a doc targets me, my role will be changed. That's why I said my role involved a doc

So, moving on, what might her role change to if targeted?

this sounds awfully like cult or scum recruiter, once recruited you change allingments, which leads me to beliave that daze is really a townie today, but since she told the "doctor" how to find her, if she is not lynched, at night will get recruited therefor changing allingment (either scum or third party), making her a liability to town, so my vote stands where it is.

[theherkman]

Wow... I can't believe you guys are back on the Daze bandwagon. So, what does happen if she is targeted by a doctor? Everyone seems to know but me. Also, I find it very very very very scummy that she has claimed and explained her role as town and people are trying to lynch her. WTF do you think is going to come of lynch a damn townie! Damn! Also, stop with these claims that I am a 3rd party/not aligned with either town or mafia. I'm town.

EDIT Fastposted by Flores - If she is "saved" by the doc what happens if she is also targeted by a scum recruiter?

[aage]

Vio, do we gain more from lynching another player at this moment according to you?


@theherk, nothing happens. Docs can't save daze from anything other than getting killed.

[spiesr]

@theherk, nothing happens. Docs can't save daze from anything other than getting killed.

Daze's claim would seem to imply otherwise if you believe it...

[aage]

@theherk, nothing happens. Docs can't save daze from anything other than getting killed.

Daze's claim would seem to imply otherwise if you believe it...

Well, that's the point isn't it? But it's not jsut that... I kind of have to agree with Flores' former argument. Daze is a roleblocker, so she would probably disable some random towny tomorrow. The odds are simply too big for that not to happen. So during the night she's not contributing to town goals. During the day she's doing nothing at all. Doesn't provide any defence whatsoever, except when you call "ah well i'm a roleblocker so ur beating a dead horse" a defence. I could say I'm a roleblocker. There's no way you'd prove me wrong... except if you're a cop. And I think we already agreed that investigating Daze was a wasted investigation. That leaves me with nothing except her ability to annoy other people and her possible disturbance of town prospects during the night...

[theherkman]

I don't get it still... what happens to her if she gets saved by a doc?

[aage]

She probably won't tell us before thursday. Just a hunch...

[theherkman]

Daze, what happens if a doc saves you?

[ga7]

Geez, 2 days away and 10+ pages more... Will reread later, although it might be just tomorrow hungover

[blakebowling]

Wow... I can't believe you guys are back on the Daze bandwagon. So, what does happen if she is targeted by a doctor? Everyone seems to know but me. Also, I find it very very very very scummy that she has claimed and explained her role as town and people are trying to lynch her. WTF do you think is going to come of lynch a damn townie! Damn! Also, stop with these claims that I am a 3rd party/not aligned with either town or mafia. I'm town.

EDIT Fastposted by Flores - If she is "saved" by the doc what happens if she is also targeted by a scum recruiter?

Did anyone else notice that herk still know's more than everyone else. At least he knows more about what is in this game than I do.