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[sensfan]

guys we gotta take the risk to kill someone. cause this is so boring so far because we not kill anyone.

[theherkman]

Wow... I can't believe you guys are back on the Daze bandwagon. So, what does happen if she is targeted by a doctor? Everyone seems to know but me. Also, I find it very very very very scummy that she has claimed and explained her role as town and people are trying to lynch her. WTF do you think is going to come of lynch a damn townie! Damn! Also, stop with these claims that I am a 3rd party/not aligned with either town or mafia. I'm town.

EDIT Fastposted by Flores - If she is "saved" by the doc what happens if she is also targeted by a scum recruiter?

Did anyone else notice that herk still know's more than everyone else. At least he knows more about what is in this game than I do.

Do you even read this thread? Flores said that she would be targeted tonight by a recruiter, I asked what would happen if she was saved by a doc at the same time. Geeze, man. Read, please.

[theherkman]

guys we gotta take the risk to kill someone. cause this is so boring so far because we not kill anyone.

Thank you for your fantastic contribution to this game. That is exactly why my vote is on you. I think you are mafia, but if you aren't, we aren't losing much.

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Calm down man, I think what flores was insinuating was that since daze has a role changed by a trigger; in this case being protected by a doc, she may become a member of a scum faction; cult, mafia, SK, whatever. sort of like the role "Saulus" they are town, but if they are targeted for a night kill by mafia they become mafia instead of dying.

[strike wolf]

guys we gotta take the risk to kill someone. cause this is so boring so far because we not kill anyone.

ANd I'm so sure you have added so much to discussion to keep this game afloat and provided constructive analysis of the game so that it wouldn't be boring. I've got an idea, how about you stop lurking all the time and actually try to actually get involved? Maybe then it won't be so boring to you.

[naxus]

Im still for killing herk. We can get the most information out of that lynch. If hes town then damn, if hes mafia then hurrah, but if hes third party then oh well

Not sure where my vote is but unvote vote herk

[strike wolf]

Wow... I can't believe you guys are back on the Daze bandwagon. So, what does happen if she is targeted by a doctor? Everyone seems to know but me. Also, I find it very very very very scummy that she has claimed and explained her role as town and people are trying to lynch her. WTF do you think is going to come of lynch a damn townie! Damn! Also, stop with these claims that I am a 3rd party/not aligned with either town or mafia. I'm town.

EDIT Fastposted by Flores - If she is "saved" by the doc what happens if she is also targeted by a scum recruiter?

Did anyone else notice that herk still know's more than everyone else. At least he knows more about what is in this game than I do.

Do you even read this thread? Flores said that she would be targeted tonight by a recruiter, I asked what would happen if she was saved by a doc at the same time. Geeze, man. Read, please.

Under normal conditions, I don't think a doctor saves you from being recruited. I haven't played too many mafias with cults and I've never been a doctor in any of my games but I believe they only protect you from being killed. Other than that I think that flores was trying to imply that the doctor had some kind of recruiter ability over Daze. Which makes me think one of three options.

A. Daze is town and this "doctor" is a non-town role able to recruit her into a non-town role or
B. Daze is lying and the doctor recruits her into becoming a town role.
C. Flores is wrong about the change being an alignment change and it's something else more unique.

I really don't know which of those is more likely. I know that in Mr. S's last game there was a town bodyguard who could be recruited by the Mafia Godfather and am wondering if that is a possibility in this game.

[freezie]

Daze clearly said that her role would change if she gets targetted by the doc, however if I recall right, she doesn't know anything further than that..I'll find the post later. There's no telling if this would change her allignement....It could be just about anything:

1) Daze is a scum roleblocker, and becomes town upon beeing protected. ( Highly doubtful..more on that later )
2) Daze is town and becomes mafia or 3rd party upon beeing protected.
3) Daze is 3rd party and become town/mafia if protected
4) She's lying and just trying to get a doc to protect her.

And for all I know, we can keep talking about this all night long, we won't know better than Daze/Squirrel wants to tell us.

Personally, aisde from infos on Bw'ers...I dunno how much we would gain from Lynching Daze. Granted, if she random block people she could hurt the town from the inside...Am torn on this, really.

Also, I said first option was highly doubyful since i am sure Daze has enough brains to realise that, if she was indeed to become town and is scum, she already doomed herself as a scum traitor early on. No telling if she's a lying scum and not a roleblocker at all, however.

[spiesr]

Do you even read this thread? Flores said that she would be targeted tonight by a recruiter, I asked what would happen if she was saved by a doc at the same time. Geeze, man. Read, please.

The way I see, the thing flores mentioned would be mutually exclusive with the doctor thing. Either flores' theory is true where Daze is sort of lying about her role and is trying to drop hints to some faction where if they target her she will be recruited. Or Daze told the truth and something happens when a doctor targets her. They can't really both be true.
So what would happen if the mafia targets her and the doctor saves her would be:
A. She is recruited by the scum and the doctor has no special effect and simply protects her from a night kill.
B. The doctor cause something special to happen. She may or may not survive the kill attempt.
C. It was a lie and nothing special happens.

[freezie]

Whew!!!! That speed reading class I took a few years ago sure paid off.

so......well......erm... I was like hoping to avoid this, but ya'll forced me. Didn't wanna say more about my role then necessary. Just more info for the mob to know.
I have no idea ya'll who's the doc. Ya'll are really beatin a dead horse here. Seriously.

My name is Chuck Lewis. Ima town roleblocker. If a doc targets me, my role will be changed. That's why I said my role involved a doc. I dunno who anyone is this game cept for me,myself and I.

There's the line I been looking for. Granted I dunno where I imagined the part about her not knowing more..

[dazerazer]

Where did ya’ll get this recruiting stuff from!!! I aint never said anything like that. Ya’ll be takin stuff outta nowhere. Why ya’ll be makin me repeat myself for the mob? Guess I need to repeat myself. I’ma town roleblocker. If a doc targets me. Don’t ya’ll know what that means? If a doc save me from being NK. Then my role will change- meanin I wont be a roleblocker anymore. Guessing I’ll have some other ability. Why I gotta spell it out?? That’s all I know.
Ain’t docs pro-town? Ain’t never heard of a doc who wasn’t town.

Now do I wanna doc to target me. Hell yeah!!! I want another ability!! Why? Its soo like random.
I agree with ya’ll that roleblockin aint useful unless you are blockin the mob. I have my idea who the mob is- the ones who voted for me. I’ll prolly block flores tonight if I live. Since I think she’s the mob. Hope I can prevent a townie from being NK. I do not wanna block a cop.
Also a doc is just as random as a town roleblocker, unless they know who the town.

Seriously, ya’ll be makin me say more than I wanna say.
Now that everyone knows all the possible info about me- ya’ll still wanna lynch me? Only makes sense if you the mob.

[Thezzaruz]

Secondly... Well... Shit... I thought she might have a name I could compare to my PM. She doesn't. She doesn't know anything. I'm inclined to believe her, as this is an odd role IMO. I don't think a newb would have made it up. So, moving on, what might her role change to if targeted?

I'm not sure I like how you make such a big fuzz over how you know stuff that can prove/disprove dazes claim and then casually goes "moving on" as it was the most expected thing in the world when your "knowledge" turns out to count for nothing. Guess it ties in with the overeager rookie thing you got going. I'd suggest that you pause a moment and consider your claims in the future.

EDIT Fastposted by Flores - If she is "saved" by the doc what happens if she is also targeted by a scum recruiter?

That entirely depends on what her role actually is. A regular Doc action does not protect against being recruited (at least I've never heard of it).
But if there really is some direct change effect by being targeted by a Doc then things I can think of now is the possibility that a RoleBlocker could turn into a JailKeeper (i.e basically adding a Doc to the game) or the classic "the Doc healed me" scenario (of course then the Doc is usually called Psychiatric instead).

[blakebowling]

Where did ya’ll get this recruiting stuff from!!! I aint never said anything like that. Ya’ll be takin stuff outta nowhere. Why ya’ll be makin me repeat myself for the mob? Guess I need to repeat myself. I’ma town roleblocker. If a doc targets me. Don’t ya’ll know what that means? If a doc save me from being NK. Then my role will change- meanin I wont be a roleblocker anymore. Guessing I’ll have some other ability. Why I gotta spell it out?? That’s all I know.
Ain’t docs pro-town? Ain’t never heard of a doc who wasn’t town.

Now do I wanna doc to target me. Hell yeah!!! I want another ability!! Why? Its soo like random.
I agree with ya’ll that roleblockin aint useful unless you are blockin the mob. I have my idea who the mob is- the ones who voted for me. I’ll prolly block flores tonight if I live. Since I think she’s the mob. Hope I can prevent a townie from being NK. I do not wanna block a cop.
Also a doc is just as random as a town roleblocker, unless they know who the town.

Seriously, ya’ll be makin me say more than I wanna say.
Now that everyone knows all the possible info about me- ya’ll still wanna lynch me? Only makes sense if you the mob.

Or if they think you're lying. However this time I actually believe you. I guess its the fact that you finally put some of your own thoughts in, but I have no doubt that you are town. I'm unsure who to point the finger at, it seems that noone has done much that is actually a scumtell. I'm looking for information, but it seems that everywhere I look the person pushes back. So I'm doing to do the only other thing logical. Unvote, Vote sensfan. I don't like people that are just looking to kill anyone.

[strike wolf]

Redone before posting because of Daze's post:

I'm going to Unvote. For one thing, if it isn't a recruiting ability than I do not see a positive risk/reward outcome for lynching her. I guess it's still possible she misunderstands about her role and it could be an alignment change but not sure. I'd be careful about wanting a doc to target you daze. It's possibly by your role changing you could lose your ability in general or something that may not be to your advantage. I'm curious to see what would happen yes but just because your role changes doesn't mean it's a beneficial change.

As far as Doc's being non-town I believe anti-town factions sometimes have doctors when there are vigs and SKs but I don't think they are the most common role for mafia...

As far as flores, I have to say I kind of saw that coming (doubt I'm the only one) though I do not think she is the most likely mafia.

Finally Vote sensfan. I do not like how he lurks in this game and than casually walks in and claims he's bored. Not much of a scum tell, I know that but I'd rather not have worthless people in this game like that who contribute nothing to the conversation and than complain about being bored. They're useless.

[sensfan]

okok. I just don't know what I'm supposed to be posting.

@Squirrel, Vote count plz?

[edocsil]

Vote Sens It is not a town reaction to come in here and demand a lynch, any lynch. Especially when no logic is given as to who to lynch.

[Thezzaruz]

Don't think it's needed but I'll start with a UnVote just to be sure.

All night actions together should be profitable to the mobsters, or they could never win.

Yup. I know. That's exactly why I was saying it like that. "All night actions together should be profitable to the mobsters"
So hypothetically speaking, if there are two townies, who are let's say doctors, and one mafia with a kill, the town have more actions, but overall, the mafia has benefit from the Night.
Now if there's a noob/random roleblocker, he might accidentally roleblock one of the doctors, but because of the chance of preventing the kill, the roleblocker still is an advantage to the town.

Sorry mate but your example is so severely flawed it just has to be intentional. The usual night sees way more town actions than scum actions and thus a random roleblocker is detrimental to town. The fact that the scum NK is "stronger" than the towns actions doesn't mean that towns actions wouldn't be missed if they where blocked.

guys we gotta take the risk to kill someone. cause this is so boring so far because we not kill anyone.

Seriously???
That's it, you've posted enough of nothingness to make it perfectly clear that you aren't interested in contributing in any way and is just hoping to get through the day without being replaced for inactivity. Well I'm sick of it (and it's usually considered a scum tell too) so deadline or not here's a Vote sensfan for being completely useless.


Preview Edit:
Seems I'm not the only one that's feed up with sensfans shenanigans. His vote is still on daze it seems, so I have to guess that's the lynch he wants...

[spiesr]

Vote Sens It is not a town reaction to come in here and demand a lynch, any lynch. Especially when no logic is given as to who to lynch.

Additionally, it doesn't even make sense. The lynch is coming when the deadline hits tomorrow. That is all there is to it. The only way it could be stopped is if we voted to have no lynch, which clearly didn't have much if any support when sensfan demand a lynch. So did he not pay enough attention to realize this or?

[Haggis_McMutton]

Vote Sens It is not a town reaction to come in here and demand a lynch, any lynch. Especially when no logic is given as to who to lynch.

Additionally, it doesn't even make sense. The lynch is coming when the deadline hits tomorrow. That is all there is to it. The only way it could be stopped is if we voted to have no lynch, which clearly didn't have much if any support when sensfan demand a lynch. So did he not pay enough attention to realize this or?

Actually no, mod stated that lynch will only happen if someone had 8 votes, otherwise it's no lynch.

Are we really gonna push a quick waggon on sens now? It's got to be real quick if we don't want to just lynch some random inactive guy(or get no lynch)

[edocsil]

Vote Sens It is not a town reaction to come in here and demand a lynch, any lynch. Especially when no logic is given as to who to lynch.

Additionally, it doesn't even make sense. The lynch is coming when the deadline hits tomorrow. That is all there is to it. The only way it could be stopped is if we voted to have no lynch, which clearly didn't have much if any support when sensfan demand a lynch. So did he not pay enough attention to realize this or?

There is no chance he is keeping up on all of this, I looked back at his posts to see if there was anything else scummy/towny and all it was was "vote count plz"

@ haggis, that is more or less what we are going for. The camps are split on the whole Herk and Daze thing, so we will hopefully jump on a thuroughly useless player who has scummarining the entire game, surfacing only to demand a lynch.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Vote Sens It is not a town reaction to come in here and demand a lynch, any lynch. Especially when no logic is given as to who to lynch.

Additionally, it doesn't even make sense. The lynch is coming when the deadline hits tomorrow. That is all there is to it. The only way it could be stopped is if we voted to have no lynch, which clearly didn't have much if any support when sensfan demand a lynch. So did he not pay enough attention to realize this or?

There is no chance he is keeping up on all of this, I looked back at his posts to see if there was anything else scummy/towny and all it was was "vote count plz"

@ haggis, that is more or less what we are going for. The camps are split on the whole Herk and Daze thing, so we will hopefully jump on a thuroughly useless player who has scummarining the entire game, surfacing only to demand a lynch.

*SIgh* Well, since this needs to happens fast(we have 1 RL day left, right? ). I'll unvote vote sens.

But for the record, I STILL think daze is the better choice, you can't really say she's been much more helpful than sens(if we hadn't pushed a waggon on her, she probably would have been in his exact situation), and the 20 pages of discussion about her makes it seem to me like her lynch is more valuable.

[/]

So we're going to quick lynch the guy who says we need to hurry up and kill someone?
Poetic justice or hypocrisy?
It is true that lynches are quite necessary to an end result, however I can clearly see that snes is still doing nothing to translate the mountain of posts we've had so far into any action required of a townie to catch scum.
Unvote Vote Snes

[strike wolf]

Vote Sens It is not a town reaction to come in here and demand a lynch, any lynch. Especially when no logic is given as to who to lynch.

Additionally, it doesn't even make sense. The lynch is coming when the deadline hits tomorrow. That is all there is to it. The only way it could be stopped is if we voted to have no lynch, which clearly didn't have much if any support when sensfan demand a lynch. So did he not pay enough attention to realize this or?

Or we don't reach 8 votes.

[FloresDelMal]

But if there really is some direct change effect by being targeted by a Doc then things I can think of now is the possibility that a RoleBlocker could turn into a JailKeeper (i.e basically adding a Doc to the game) or the classic "the Doc healed me" scenario (of course then the Doc is usually called Psychiatric instead).

i have never encountered this, can you explain a bit more, has it ever been used on CC mafia?

As far as flores, I have to say I kind of saw that coming (doubt I'm the only one) though I do not think she is the most likely mafia.

i posted this on page 35, is not like i didnt see it comming *giggles

that being said i am not unvoting daze, taking in account her newbie status i do beliave in her roleblocker status (heck, prolly she will block me tonight lol) but i dont have any grounds for beliave that she is the "town's roleblocker", she could totally be the roleblocker of the scum team. plus i still beliave that most of her posts are made of fluff, nothing of substance yet, so i dont see a safest or more sound D1 lynch yet.

*SIgh* Well, since this needs to happens fast(we have 1 RL day left, right? ). I'll unvote vote sens.

But for the record, I STILL think daze is the better choice, you can't really say she's been much more helpful than sens(if we hadn't pushed a waggon on her, she probably would have been in his exact situation), and the 20 pages of discussion about her makes it seem to me like her lynch is more valuable.

QFT unvote vote sens my only consolation is that if the herk is really a punisher she will die anyway and we can get the herk tomorrow, what can i say, im a glass half full kind of gal lol

[Haggis_McMutton]

Well, that puts sens at 8 votes i think.