Baltic Crusades

theBastard · Post by **theBastard** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:49 pm

this is good, ender, so I will not must to learn make them...

any more notices, except "natty´s" that settlements need be more differentiate?

theBastard · Post by **theBastard** » Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:03 pm

Industrial Helix · Post by **Industrial Helix** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:42 am

Is greater Poland, Novgorod and the HRE playable territories? If not, maybe you should fade their text a tad.

Konigsburg could use a slight glow to make it legible.

And I really liked how the trees were on Pork's version, perhaps you ought to borrow that idea.

As for the towns needing to look different... I think they look quite different, at least in shape. Shouldn't that be good enough?

porkenbeans · Post by **porkenbeans** » Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:03 pm

I saw an old map from this period that spelled Visby with a W. as in Wisby.

theBastard · Post by **theBastard** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:39 am

porkenbeans · Post by **porkenbeans** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:32 am

Wisby, I saw it too, but I never found any source why is sometimes used Wisby. therefore I go with well known Visby.

Yeah, it is probably a case of the particular map makers language.

pork, if you can do only a little wonder it would be great...

I have been working on it, and will post something later today.

Have you ever seen this map ?

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Here is what I have so far-

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theBastard · Post by **theBastard** » Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:43 pm

yes, yes, yes... I like it! only four notices:
1, it is too brightness, I think.
2, move legends "to the map´s size". they look off now.
3, maybe you could differentiate unplayable areas - they have now the same colour as borders.
4, why you lost some icons?

but I realy like it and riders look great... thanks.

about yours maps. I never saw them, but look interesting.

Industrial Helix · Post by **Industrial Helix** » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:43 am

Yeah, I agree, its a tad too bright.

And whats with all the white space.

porkenbeans · Post by **porkenbeans** » Wed Dec 01, 2010 3:42 pm

Click image to enlarge.

In this version I have attempted to decrease the weight of the numerous legends. Like I said earlier, I am really NOT a fan of maps that incorporate them to the extent that they take over the map. So, I have reduced the amount of text by getting rid of some unnecessary wording. And, got rid of all but one banner. Then I used colors that blend in a little better.

I think that all of this helps greatly to lessen the over dominating legends, and bring the playable area of the map to the forefront.

I did NOT spend the necessary time to properly make the shields in the legend, but will do so if this version is adopted.

Industrial Helix · Post by **Industrial Helix** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:49 pm

Generally I agree with you on the legends and I think that it fits nicely on the map itself. However, I think the regional bonuses could use a bounding box.

What happened to the new Hanseatic towns?

There are areas where the trees or a shield up north crosses into the border, I think you ought to cut them out of the border.

And what about some sort of road looking trail for the land routes that connect the towns? It seems like it might be a better idea than the very perfect photoshoped dotted line.

theBastard · Post by **theBastard** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:37 pm

tokle · Post by **tokle** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:17 pm

One question, one correction and one comment.

First off the map looks great, just down the road of my interests, I can't wait to play it.

Second, are the map sizes allowed? The guide says the height of the small map can not be taller than 600. I believe yours is 630.

Thirdly the roman numerals in the title says VIV rather than XIV.

theBastard · Post by **theBastard** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:16 pm

tokle · Post by **tokle** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:49 pm

theBastard wrote:
tokle wrote: Second, are the map sizes allowed? The guide says the height of the small map can not be taller than 600. I believe yours is 630.
the upper one has 840x800 size. the picture below is 630x600.

Yes. That's what I noticed. I always thought that it had to be the other way around, with maximum height being 800 or 600.

theBastard · Post by **theBastard** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:05 pm

840 (630) width, 800 (600) height.

tokle · Post by **tokle** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:17 pm

theBastard wrote:840 (630) width, 800 (600) height.

Is it really? It looks taller than wide to me. I might be wrong...

theBastard · Post by **theBastard** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:30 pm

just download it and look

tokle · Post by **tokle** » Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:33 pm

theBastard wrote:just download it and look

I'll take your word for it.
Good job.

natty dread · Post by **natty dread** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:34 am

tokle wrote:
theBastard wrote:840 (630) width, 800 (600) height.
Is it really? It looks taller than wide to me. I might be wrong...

It's an optical illusion due to the shape of your monitor. Your monitor is wider than it is tall, and when your eyes get used to looking at the monitor, you'll instinctively think anything that fits the shape of your monitor as "square" even when they're not. Conversely, a rectangle that is actually closer to a square, will look stretched...

That is, if you're not actually using some weird display mode that has non-square pixels.

theBastard · Post by **theBastard** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:32 am

Industrial Helix · Post by **Industrial Helix** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 12:06 pm

You're going to have to make the red lines a little more visible on the latest image.

theBastard · Post by **theBastard** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:44 pm

natty dread · Post by **natty dread** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 4:36 pm

Give them a slight black stroke..

theBastard · Post by **theBastard** » Sat Dec 04, 2010 4:58 pm

Industrial Helix · Post by **Industrial Helix** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:27 am

Yes, much better.

Other crits I have are that the lake over where Estonia is now could use the same border treatment as the rest of the map. And upon looking that way, I noticed that your eastern most border could use a redraw as its all uneven and pixely.

I'd also recommend that you adopt something along the lines that Porkenbean did for the inset legends. It really cleared up the map in my opinion and this version could benefit from it.

One other thing I liked from his version was how places which are not playable were omitted from being labeled, such as Greater Poland and Holy Roman Empire.

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