Quentin Tarantino Mafia Night 3 (Mafia Win!)

[safariguy5]

What I meant was, don't discuss your reasons for playing your other role after that role is dead. Feel free to discuss your rationale for your actions right now.

[naxus]

I am here but not alot to add. Not enough pressure to force me to claim and no other real leads here

[nagerous]

I am here but not alot to add. Not enough pressure to force me to claim and no other real leads here

So let me get this right.. you are saying that you are a real lead then? Let's lynch this scum.

[edocsil]

Shit, your supposed to stay dead for a reason, I for one didn't catch what was going on with your hints.

On for the hypocrisy, I am asking someone to summarize their single argument so I don't put words in their mouth, much different then quicknotes from a whole game.

But please, stay dead, I have seen people blacklisted for less.

Vote Count
ga7-1 (Commander9)
tails-2 (strike wolf, edocsil)
naxus-1 (VioIet)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

By the way VioIet, you're playing a different role now, don't discuss what your other role's rationale.

nag, I'll resend your role pm.

All this made me afraid to post again. If i can't discuss any rationale, then what can I say?

Sorry bought that, I had forgotten you had replaced (I think i mentioned that earlier)

Basically you can still say anything you want, you just can't say anything you had no way of knowing without your old role PM.

[ga7]

Well, won't help the activity but I'm not willing to vote someone that I'm confident is town and apparently one of the few power roles. Sigh, I guess I really can't escape rereading but with half the players submarining it's gonna be hard to make it...

[safariguy5]

Announcement

Deadline is in 1 week. Day will end next Monday. If there isn't a lynch, a no lynch will occur.

[Haggis_McMutton]

I am here but not alot to add. Not enough pressure to force me to claim and no other real leads here

All right. The case against you is pretty much the only one atm, so I guess I'll put some more pressure.


vote naxus

[ga7]

Vote Violet
After rereading all the game I think I got a good feeling on the links players have entangled unknowingly. Violet, formerly Pmc, is the key to it as they were defended several times by people who otherwise wagonned townies and looked quite scummy.

A few relevant posts from the past days, as I said I wanted to look at Fir's actions and this one was quite funny:

That being said I still can't get the logic from where Mandy is going with his very odd and sudden role claim.

IT'S MANDY!!! Are you asking for Mandy to have LOGIC behind his insane crazy theories? That's NAWT HOW MAFIA WORKS!!!! Mandy is known for his crazy theories, this sounds exactly like the Mandy that I know from the past. Due to it being Day 1, I am prepared to follow him on this lynch.

Unvote Vote: pmchung

So Mr Orange was willing to follow Mandy on his lead that he knew was incorrect. He kept this behaviour consistently till he died, even after day 1.

I feel can't help but think mandy's a jester. Do jesters win if the mafia NKs them?

Possible slipup?

Yes VioIet, you are allowed to say your character name.

Just to make things comprehensive here... You can also lie about your character. But we strongly advise you not to, since it'll mean we probably lynch you.

I don't think it will really be wise for me to give my character name. I'll be lynched anyway, whether I give it or not. And if somehow escape being lynched, i'll be NK anyway.

Sooooo.......

Lets just say my character is one of the select few who can transcend Tarantino's Universes.

I guess I really don't know the proper term, but yes I am a no ability townie

Very elegant claim. So, are you Rufus or Sheriff McGraw?

unvote to insure we get an answer first. And yes, claiming (name, not role) AND not being counter-claimed is the ONLY way for you to not be lynched on Day 1.

Ok so Mandy was basically the ONLY guy in Violet's lynch that at some point expressed concern about whether she was alluding to particular roles and even though she refused to claim he guessed accurately her role and unvoted. He then proceeded to revote her when she refused to claim but she was already lynched at that point anyway. So to those of you that are voting Naxus/Mandy and that apparently do not understand role-related reasons to find him town, does this guy that was the only to have an accurate doubt on the Vio wagon strike you as scum? Seriously?

Ok, re-read the last 5 or so pages, find this kind of odd:

However I'm saying that you're trying to blend in with the crowd, so as to avoid suspicion. If you're convinced mandy is scum, pursue it. The only way to get anywhere is to get a REAL claim from somebody (here's looking at you mandy). You were pretty heated earlier with him, and now not so much...

Just saying...

-TG

- So blending in with the crowd, is supicious, and you should pursue people till you get a real claim.

You're apparently skimming and not happy people are onto Karel. Mandy claimed already. I think we will get more info from your lynch now, you seem more likely scum.

Unvote Vote Tails

Apparently you're skimming. He just claimed the name, not the role.

Tails doesn't buy the implied mandy VT thing, he considers that mandy hasn't claimed.

Anyway, it does change the point that you're right, we haven't heard a full claim from Mandy so it could be a target of suspicion, but to me it doesn't change the part that he's more likely town and really wanted to be recruited/masoned etc

I'm thinking the same thing. I don't think mandy is scum, just and odd bird.

-The Dude abides

But he doesn't think mandy is scum.

Then Edocsil makes his case against mandy.

Perhaps we should get this game moving. D2 has lasted a while. Should we no lynch, or actually try and vote someone? We've already lost three townies. Maybe a vote count would be in order? I'm much too lazy to do it myself though.

-TG

Tails still doesn't think mandy is scum(since he doesn't say anything about him, or edocsil's case)

pmc joins mandy wagon

unvote vote mandy

-TG

Suddenly Tails jumps on the wagon as well ...

Later mandy finally gives(more or less satisfying) reasons for his actions, but no actual concrete role claim. Edocsil unvotes.

I think mandy has cleared himself, I guess. unvote

I have no idea who to suspect.

-TG

Tails goes with the flow again, being by his own definition suspicious.

Normally i'd fos, but since this is such a big game, there's no danger of unintentional lynch so:
vote TA1LGUNN3R

FOS Haggis starting a case then wagonning, not the first time either. Coupled with heavy submarining, one of the players left the most shady so far, quite possibly regular mafia or SK.

Seeing the recent cases Edoc & Tails can't be mafia together, and while I have my doubts on Tails since he makes me think of a cocky GF the fact Edoc defended Pmc/Vio several times also links him to that.
Along with Edoc the most likely contender for scum with Vio is Nagerous, as he made a 180° change in behaviour regarding Mandy but always defended Pmc since day 1.

Basically Pmc didn't say much all game, he didn't have to, because other people were doing his bidding, as now with the case on Naxus. It all comes down to this. What I'm saying is that there are role related reasons to defend Mandy, but I don't see how so many people would have role related reasons to defend Pmc /Vio and attack Mandy/Naxus if they're not scum. The truth is, Mandy was misleaded completely with his theory but had picked the right target, and it took me that final reread to realize it. I understand since it's not a classic case some of you will dismiss it as weak and farfetched, but believe me it's not, as it is truth that right now the wagon is on a townie when we're likely at LyLo, and scum are on it.

[naxus]

Well at L-2(I think) i guess i have to claim.

I'm Mr. White, Town Doc. I get one protect a night.

[strike wolf]

Id have to look back on the thread again to have a conclusive opinion on what those posts mean. As far as why i'd rather vote pmc. I'm not feeling the naxus wagon...mandys actions day 1 just doesn't make sense to me as mafia. I know he's known for making odd remarks but why as scum would he make such a bold claim that could potentially backfire. On the other hand we need to get some information iand the only other person who stands out to me right now other than naxus was vio/pmc

[edocsil]

Vio isn't the right one to lynch, she cannot be scum. I am Earl McGraw, the Town Cop. I feel safe claiming now that there is a doc out there.

When Vio was lynched I felt bad about it so I asked Safari if I could talk to her and explain how some of the game worked. One of the things I talked about was the importance of claiming and names. As you could see our characters

[edocsil]

forum fail, continued from above

Have the same last name, so I explained if she would have claimed her name and role I would have been the first to unvote. This being said she knows my name and role, even if she cannot talk about it at all. I have to assume that safari did not give away the identity of the town cop to the mafia.

My actions so far

N1 investigate Naxus/Mandy ~ Investigation fails, later mod confirmed to be a roleblock
N2 investigate Ga7 ~ Innocent

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

ga7-1 (Tails)
VioIet-2 (strike wolf, ga7)
naxus-3 (nagerous, edocsil, Haggis)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline next Monday.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I have to assume that safari did not give away the identity of the town cop to the mafia.

This changes things.

I don't see how naxus' claim fits in with Mr. White as Doctor. Saf has stated that a thorough understanding of the movies would help at this point, but it seems farfetched. Is it because he was trying to save Mr. Orange? I guess it makes sense. However for mandy to draw that much attention to himself as the doc so early on....seems risky when you're the only possible doc. I don't really feel comfortable on the naxus wagon.

N2 investigate Ga7 ~ Innocent

Fine. I'll unvote.

If Mr. Orange came out as a miller (he was a 'good guy' in respect to the film) a miller as in would come out as scum when he is actually town this makes me a hella lot more suspicious of naxus and Mr. White's role.. it seems that people are trying to distance themselves from this argument, which makes me think that mafia are subtly trying to make us pressurise other players so that we avoid targetting their more exposed members (no jokes about exposed members please).

If Mr. Orange came out as a miller (he was a 'good guy' in respect to the film) a miller as in would come out as scum when he is actually town this makes me a hella lot more suspicious of naxus and Mr. White's role.

This.

Mr. Orange being a miller seems to indicate that the robbers are the bad guys(and Mr. Orange only appeared to be one of them)

At first I thought nothing of this....

I'm going to vote naxus to get this game moving, pretty sure he is scum.

All right. The case against you is pretty much the only one atm, so I guess I'll put some more pressure.


vote naxus

But coupled with this, they have been in complete agreement this day (I wasn't bothered to search previous days), and is kinda suspicious. If edoc's claim is true, and indeed he found ga7 innocent, ga7 put this out there:

Along with Edoc the most likely contender for scum with Vio is Nagerous, as he made a 180° change in behaviour regarding Mandy but always defended Pmc since day 1.

Idk I'd like the hear more on this.

-Tails

[Haggis_McMutton]

Well at L-2(I think) i guess i have to claim.

I'm Mr. White, Town Doc. I get one protect a night.

unvote

Who did you protect?

As for the case against me, keep in mind that:

1. When this game started it was my second game here.
2. Over the holidays I've been pretty inactive in all my games.

[nagerous]

unvote -not sure how Mr. White fits really as a doctor either though I guess when he is taking care of the ill Mr. Orange it could possibly fit as a doctor.


Anyway, it seems to be descending this way so I feel that I should claim too. I am Lance, also a doctor - though I am pretty sure my doctoring skills are worth jack shit as I'm a heroin dealer who on the rare occasion has to give a fucked up bitch an adrenaline shot =/ (Maybe naive or insane doctor)

I am not surprised there is another doctor out there because I can't remember who I protected night, pretty sure it was either edocsil or ga7 night one and he didn't die/well at least the person I protected didn't die.. this time I protected aage and he did die. This has made my role pretty shit so if you think I should be lynched/not use my powers/be investigated tonight I am fine with it really.

Anyway, about your claim edocsil that Vio can't be scum because she knows your role name doesn't make sense to me at all. So you told her your role name, safari knew this and let her replaced hence she must be town? That seems illogical to me.

[strike wolf]

So we have two docs one possibly insane or naive and one who's might be the regular doc...as odd as it sounds if edoc is telling the truth than it would indeed make no sense for safari to put vio in the game as a role that could affect the doc in anyway...

[edocsil]

unvote -not sure how Mr. White fits really as a doctor either though I guess when he is taking care of the ill Mr. Orange it could possibly fit as a doctor.


Anyway, it seems to be descending this way so I feel that I should claim too. I am Lance, also a doctor - though I am pretty sure my doctoring skills are worth jack shit as I'm a heroin dealer who on the rare occasion has to give a fucked up bitch an adrenaline shot =/ (Maybe naive or insane doctor)

I am not surprised there is another doctor out there because I can't remember who I protected night, pretty sure it was either edocsil or ga7 night one and he didn't die/well at least the person I protected didn't die.. this time I protected aage and he did die. This has made my role pretty shit so if you think I should be lynched/not use my powers/be investigated tonight I am fine with it really.

Anyway, about your claim edocsil that Vio can't be scum because she knows your role name doesn't make sense to me at all. So you told her your role name, safari knew this and let her replaced hence she must be town? That seems illogical to me.

What I am saying if the Mafia knew who the cop was and the doc didn't, said cop would be butchered in the night. I am assuming that safari didn't give my identity to the mafia. it is a bit of a jump, but I really had my fingers crossed. The chance that I was wrong was also a large part of why I claimed, I couldn't let the town lo their cop when my backup had already been killed.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

VioIet-2 (strike wolf, ga7)
naxus-1 (edocsil)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline next Monday.

[naxus]

I protected edoc night two and nag night three(if my memory serves right, cant find the PM's)

Right now im feeling that Nag shouldnt use or at least be investigated tonight and that we lynch Haggis today

vote haggis

[edocsil]

I protected edoc night two and nag night three(if my memory serves right, cant find the PM's)

Right now im feeling that Nag shouldnt use or at least be investigated tonight and that we lynch Haggis today

vote haggis

And the case is wagoning and what against Haggis? Basically the accusations against him on the last page?

[naxus]

The last page and that in both the vio and karel lynches he pushed pretty hard for both of thier lynches. With this being his second mafia game(at the time of vio's lynch) I kinda disregarded that as luck(and vio being vio) but the karel lynch just seems suspicious to me

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

VioIet-2 (strike wolf, ga7)
naxus-1 (edocsil)
haggis-1 (naxus)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline next Monday.

[strike wolf]

Well after rereading, haggis mostly looked like an inexperienced newbie. The one thing that stood out to me as far as him possibly being scum was the heavy use of adjectives like weak and farfetched in his arguments against people and the fact that while he's presented logic and cases he hasn't deviated much from general suspicions already brought forward.

[edocsil]

Well after rereading, haggis mostly looked like an inexperienced newbie. The one thing that stood out to me as far as him possibly being scum was the heavy use of adjectives like weak and farfetched in his arguments against people and the fact that while he's presented logic and cases he hasn't deviated much from general suspicions already brought forward.

Good enough for me, this game need a few quick kicks to the seat of the pants.

Vote Haggis.