Post-Apocalyptic Mafia - Town Wins! [Archive]

[aage]

If he lives though this he will be vig killed.

I say we let this happen.

[TheSaxlad]

Also, is Saxdudes PR supposed to refer to some character or something? I'm kind of pop-culture-challenged

PR?

Post Restrictionz bitchez

[MeDeFe]

Also, is Saxdudes PR supposed to refer to some character or something? I'm kind of pop-culture-challenged

PR?

Post Restrictionz bitchez

Ah, those. I feel there may be more than one character who has to overcome adversity in order to conquer.

[Skoffin]

Sorry about my lack of presence, folks. I'm a bit behind so I'll read up shortly, I just thought I'd make a comment on something mentioned on this page.

Back in my day, a jester bluff was a great way to get oneself killed. The more you talked about wanting to be lynched the more people wanted to lynch you. It can actually be a clever ploy. Personally, I think we should consider waiting a day. We *might* have a vig on our side, so it might be worth leaving him and seeing if someone could shoot him in the night. If he's not shot then we should take care of him ourselves, but there's no reason for us to risk it before giving it a try.

[safariguy5]

Jester tends to muck up town efforts to find scum. I'm for getting rid of distractions now, especially since it's Day 1.

[MeDeFe]

Jester tends to muck up town efforts to find scum. I'm for getting rid of distractions now, especially since it's Day 1.

This appears somewhat self-contradictory to me. Of course Jesters tend to muck up efforts to find scum, but if he really is a Jester we'd be better off appealing to any vigilantes to take him out during the night instead of lynching him now.

[Fuzzylogic99]

thats assuming

a) he really is a jester
b) theres a vigalante , a one shot kill etc
c) that person believes hes a jester

[Iliad]

That was an unneccesary claim from justin, but that's fairly common mistake. I agree that you should reveal your role now.

Also I'm glad tdans is getting replaced instead of being a dead weight.

It's fairly common to claim on day 1 that you aren't town?

No it's fairly common for inexperienced people to claim far too early.


I'm not really believing justin's bluff. He never even came up with a fake claim, only nodded along with one that seemed to deter people from voting him. We could let him be for the vig, but we already have a probable lyncher in his sights. Look back at justin's posts, after a few accusations he literally had nothing to say except I'm quiet and I like playing mafia and he only claimed jester after someone brought up the possibility.

I do not remember the last time I saw a jester end the game. Mods are not going to put all their effort into creating a game and then risk everything being wasted because someone can play the idiot role very well. Most likely, if he is a jester, he wins and the game continues.

However I am willing to take the risk that he is a jester.

unvote vote justin

[Campin_Killer]

Epic Failure

[MeDeFe]

thats assuming

a) he really is a jester

This appears to be the assumption Safariguy is working from. This is why I find it odd that Safariguy seems to say we should kill Justin asap (as in today, rather than generally ask for someone to kill him tonight)

b) theres a vigalante , a one shot kill etc

This is an assumption I'm making, in a game with 21 players it's not an unreasonable one.

c) that person believes hes a jester

Or at least believes that Justin is enough of a nuisance to warrant killing. Given Justin's recent behaviour, this is also no unreasonable assumption, he's pissed off enough people to nearly get himself lynched already. If there's a town-aligned person with re-usable killing powers around it's fairly likely that Justin is toast tonight, even a one-shotter or joat might go for it.

[safariguy5]

Well the only other person I think warrants suspicion is VioIet for submarining. Still, considering Justin's behavior, he's far more suspicious. The way I see it, if he's really jester, shouldn't hurt town. If he's not jester, we may have gotten mafia or cult. According to himself, he's not town, so I think it's worth a lynch.

Also, I have played in a mafia game where the jester was lynched Day 1 (Playpark) and the game just continued and the jester did win.

Fos VioIet

[theherkman]

FYI, most of you know about my 1300 games. If not click the link in my sig. I will prolly not post much for about a week or so. We will see. Just a warning.

Back to business. I deff think we should wait for tomorrow before jumping on him. I don't want to lose because we lynch him...

[jeraado]

Hmmm my thought is that we should wait today and make sure he is either killed tonight if there is a vigilante, or lynch tomorrow (do jesters usually only win if they are lynched on day 1?) I figure that although he is the scummiest so far, there are other leads we can follow today and we can always pick this up tomorrow. Also, why risk meeting someone's victory condition. Sure it is unlikely that the game would end, but why risk it. Justin - if you are trying for a lynch to unlock some power I'd suggest disclosing it, and being very specific, or you may find yourself gone tomorrow.

For now unvote

[Mr. Squirrel]

vote safariguy.
I'm sorry, but purposely lynching the jester is a terrible idea. My guess is that he really is the jester and did a terrible job with it. Safariguy has been making too many illogical posts and likely could be scum imo. Lynching a lyncher, a jester, or any third party (with the exception of a SK) is normally a bad idea. It leads to relatively little information and wastes a lynch. Scum are the only ones who should be lynch targets.

Just let vigs knock him off. In fact, killing him in general seems pointless.
1) assuming he is the jester, we are just giving him what he wants
2) even a third party player still counts as a vote. we are basically making it one day easier for scum to win
3) in the rare occurrence that he actually is scum, no offense but I can't see him being all that much of a threat. If, nearer to the end, we are hurting to find scum, we can reopen his case.


And what ever happened to no lynching noobs? Shame on you guys...

[Commander9]

Lynching votes:

fircoal (1) - Mr.s Squirrel.
TG (1) - /
Commander9 (1) - Vioiet
Skoffin (1) - herk
Naxus (1) - tdans
SafariGuy (2) - Fuzzy Logic, Mr. Squirrel.
Justinas (9) - safariguy5, Streaker, Aage, MeDeFe, Campin_Killer,Edocsil, naxus,Tg, Iliad -2
Haggis (1) - Justinas

11votes for lynching.

I might need another replacement. Should know by tomorrow.

P.S. Iliad, don't forget to bold the votes.

[Thezzaruz]

I'm not really believing justin's bluff.

I've got to agree. If he really how to play a Jester this outrageously while being new to mafia then a great big kudos to him. IMO it looks much more likely that he's scum and panicked.

However I am willing to take the risk that he is a jester.

Agreed, Vote Justinassss.

I do not remember the last time I saw a jester end the game.

Got me remembering Kwantons old miller rant, kind of fitting here too so I might dig it up later if I have some time over.

I am just very sorry about all of you that decided to lynch me... I have no secret agenda, I am just a good sincere loving person who wants to enjoy playing Mafia games... Thank you for offending me...

Really mate, you need to learn how to differentiate between your in-game role and your RL person. Getting them mixed up never lead to anything good IMO.

[Thezzaruz]

I'm sorry, but purposely lynching the jester is a terrible idea. My guess is that he really is the jester and did a terrible job with it. Safariguy has been making too many illogical posts and likely could be scum imo. Lynching a lyncher, a jester, or any third party (with the exception of a SK) is normally a bad idea. It leads to relatively little information and wastes a lynch.

I disagree. The only role that is a worse lynch than a townie is a jester, any other 3rd party role is less beneficial to town than any town aligned role.

Scum are the only ones who should be lynch targets.

Well of course. Not many confirmed scums on D1 though.

2) even a third party player still counts as a vote. we are basically making it one day easier for scum to win

That would be true for anyone accept scum so unless you're advocating a no-lynch I can't see your point being valid.

3) in the rare occurrence that he actually is scum, no offense but I can't see him being all that much of a threat. If, nearer to the end, we are hurting to find scum, we can reopen his case.

Seriously? Only scum would argue that another scum isn't a threat.

And what ever happened to no lynching noobs? Shame on you guys...

You cut noobs some slack, however if they insist on repeatedly acting scummy they don't get a free pass from being lynched.

[Thezzaruz]

Sorry about the triple post guys but I was just wondering, do Squirrel have multiple votes?

[Commander9]

Lynching votes:

fircoal (1) - Mr.s Squirrel.
TG (1) - /
Commander9 (1) - Vioiet
Skoffin (1) - herk
Naxus (1) - tdans
SafariGuy (2) - Fuzzy Logic, Mr. Squirrel.
Justinas (10) - safariguy5, Streaker, Aage, MeDeFe, Campin_Killer,Edocsil, naxus,Tg, Iliad, Thez -1
Haggis (1) - Justinas

11votes for lynching.

I might need another replacement. Should know by tomorrow. (well, by the looks of it now, I probably won't )

P.S. Iliad, don't forget to bold the votes.

[naxus]

(well, by the looks of it now, I probably won't )

unvote

PANIC.....

[Mr. Squirrel]

Lynching votes:

fircoal (1) - Mr.s Squirrel.

SafariGuy (2) - Fuzzy Logic, Mr. Squirrel.

unvote both I'm pretty sure I'm not a double-voter

[Commander9]

Lynching votes:

TG (1) - /
Commander9 (1) - Vioiet
Skoffin (1) - herk
SafariGuy (1) - Fuzzy Logic.
Justinas (9) - safariguy5, Aage, MeDeFe, Campin_Killer,Edocsil,Tg, Iliad, Thez, Saxlad -2
Streaker (1) - Justinas

11votes for lynching.

I might need another replacement. Should know by tomorrow.

P.S. Iliad, don't forget to bold the votes.

[Campin_Killer]

Wow Justinasss bugging out when pressured? I think we should lynch him

[Skoffin]

I seriously think we should not lynch Justin today. I agree he is incredibly fishy, there is even a good chance he is scum as it would not make sense to have a jester in this setup. However, he is best left for any potential vigs to take care of. There is no reason for a vig *not* to take care of him, however we do not have any other leads that come close to warrant going after in the night. Rarely do vigs have such a clear choice for a kill on night one, either we have it used on justin tonight or the vig shouldn't kill at all. That's just a waste of an opportunity to me. Yes, I am assuming there is a vig. This is an apocalyptic theme where people take things into their own hands to survive. I consider it a fair assumption to make. I also do not think a lynch of him will reveal much aside from his role. Both townies and mafia would want rid of third parties. I think we are best finding another lead today, justin being killed tonight. Should he die we would then be reasonably assured of a vig presence, meaning should we ever have a claim down the line we'd have reason to believe them and avoid killing a townie then. Should he not die.. well, then we'd have reason to doubt such claims later on. We can even finish him off tomorrow if necessary. I see no reason to justify why he 'simply must' be done with today.


Back in my day I suppose I may have been a bit ruthless in my desire to win, and I suppose that hasn't changed much. I do not care if the game 'moves on' from a jester win, I still consider that failing. I want to win as my side, not to have a sortof victory after another alignment has already won. If someone else has won than it's losing, I'm not going to lose to a jester because some were impatient. 'm willing to risk losing to him after we've exhausted other routes, but we are not at that point. Please reconsider.

[theherkman]

I don't think he is a jester. The only way I can reason what he is doing is if he becomes mafia from a lynch. I mean what new player doesn't want to be scum? I know I do. But maybe he doesn't know enough to realize he would need to play that role a little more on the DL. I don't know, maybe I am going about this wrong. If I am right I wish I could have his role so I could have done it right. =D