Quentin Tarantino Mafia Night 3 (Mafia Win!)

[Victor Sullivan]

You mean you call VS I am bulletproof, meaning I cant be NKd, and the bodyguard part means I autoheal who Im protecting, I think, I have to check my role PM to make sure... Hold on...

EDIT: Yep, I was right.

[nagerous]

I call BS. I'd also like to know the full extent of your role before I vote though.

Actually, I think you might be the BSer.. possibly going for the 'easy lynch' on Victor or as you criticised me of doing in 'Unmafia' you clearly see him as someone who can be therefore easily lynched due to the fact that he is a lot less experienced than a lot of us. Looking at the evidence, Victor has claimed Aldo.. a major character in inglorious basterds and he has claimed him as a role of power so to speak.. yet you call BS on this instead ignoring Haggis (your scum buddy perchance) who has the weaker claim of a more minor character in Inglorious a VT Hugo Stiglitz.

Also, lets not forget there is the distinct possibility of a mafia godfather in hiding so you are therefore by no means in the clear from edocsil's investigation and also raising your very dodgy defence for your pushing of karelpieterje over the protagonist comments where you claimed that english is not your native language, which I found to be a complete nonsensical argument as a defence on your part, one you've never tried to use before and one I found to be pretty scummy.

[nagerous]

You mean you call VS I am bulletproof, meaning I cant be NKd, and the bodyguard part means I autoheal who Im protecting, I think, I have to check my role PM to make sure... Hold on...

EDIT: Yep, I was right.

Please don't edit Victor.. also can you state who you have defended the last 2 nights.

[strike wolf]

I'm going to echo nag to an extent. Victor's claim is much more believable than haggis' claim of hugo stiglitz (not a big role) as a vt. also ga is saying a lot but as a whole its getting to a point where his claims are not adding up.

[ga7]

Woah Nag, that confirms my suspicions. If you look at the setup so far it's pretty clear it is very light in power roles. Yet you buy the claim of "ultimate bodyguard" in your own words at face value. We already have a doc, a claimed naive/paranoid/insane doc and a bulletproof doc would be added to this. Don't forget the jailkeeper also, which made me more suspicious of your possible insane doc claim to start with. Yet you don't see anything wrong with it?!
It has been said and said again that the flavor won't help because Saf picks the fake claims. Therefore we can base our suspicions on two things: the claimed role and the behaviour. I trust Naxus over any of you two because of his behaviour since day one and because I find it doubtful that one robber would be town and another scum provided the scum isn't Mr Blonde, although there's a possibility Saf could be fucking with us. Still Mandy's behaviour when he was active was consistent with a townie. I'm pretty sure I've been consistent with my role all along the game also.
Victor, there's no question he has been scummy. You, start to ping on my scumdar again because of your inconsistent behaviour all along the game and the fact you seem to buy his claim so easily and try to orientate the suspicion back to Haggis, then me.
I don't get your metagame argument because Victor was acting like a jester in Unmafia, and it hasn't been the case here at all. Furthermore you just need to look at the role list to see some townie roles were fairly unimportant. Lastly I like how you bring back that argument Tails used when I explained myself already on the nuances there could be between languages over the same word. I did find amusing that ultimately Karel's character was indeed a protagonist as Max Cherry is pretty damn important in Jackie Brown, which proves that he himself misused the word

[nagerous]

Woah Nag, that confirms my suspicions. If you look at the setup so far it's pretty clear it is very light in power roles. Yet you buy the claim of "ultimate bodyguard" in your own words at face value. We already have a doc, a claimed naive/paranoid/insane doc and a bulletproof doc would be added to this. Don't forget the jailkeeper also, which made me more suspicious of your possible insane doc claim to start with. Yet you don't see anything wrong with it?!
It has been said and said again that the flavor won't help because Saf picks the fake claims. Therefore we can base our suspicions on two things: the claimed role and the behaviour. I trust Naxus over any of you two because of his behaviour since day one and because I find it doubtful that one robber would be town and another scum provided the scum isn't Mr Blonde, although there's a possibility Saf could be fucking with us. Still Mandy's behaviour when he was active was consistent with a townie. I'm pretty sure I've been consistent with my role all along the game also.
Victor, there's no question he has been scummy. You, start to ping on my scumdar again because of your inconsistent behaviour all along the game and the fact you seem to buy his claim so easily and try to orientate the suspicion back to Haggis, then me.
I don't get your metagame argument because Victor was acting like a jester in Unmafia, and it hasn't been the case here at all. Furthermore you just need to look at the role list to see some townie roles were fairly unimportant. Lastly I like how you bring back that argument Tails used when I explained myself already on the nuances there could be between languages over the same word. I did find amusing that ultimately Karel's character was indeed a protagonist as Max Cherry is pretty damn important in Jackie Brown, which proves that he himself misused the word

We are very light in power roles indeed, but the majority of the roles seem to have some flavour, I would like to note that there is still quite a lot of scum still out there, possibly 2 or 3 mafia and an SK so I suspect that we are going to have some more support from power roles than we have been told of so I do buy Victor's claim. Also, I would like to note that a lot of the town roles we have been 'blessed' with have been less than useful such as a lover and a miller and my shit doctoring skills (which could be masked in a killing role 50% of the time, I could have killed aage and spurgistan targetted by an SK, the scene doesn't specify) so it wouldn't surprise that there is a bit of actual firepower behind the town defence besides the cop,doctor and jailkeeper which are the only real positive town roles that we have been informed of. Anyway this is my logic as per the situation.

[nagerous]

Also you say that you find it doubtful that one robber is town and another wouldn't be... are you not forgetting the confirmed town robber was in fact an undercover cop who is listed as a miller. Meanwhile Mr. White was an actual robber and a criminal. The fact that Mr Orange was a miller was precisely the reason that gave me my initial u-turn regarding naxus, I think you buy too hard the idea that mandy only comes up with crazy ideas and theories when he is a town role.

[ga7]

Sigh, twice my subtle attempt has been torn like a ruffian would of a delicate tapestry for the intent of looking at the ugly wallpaper behind. Alas! Oh, a hundred times alas!
For the firepower part that makes sense since we have no idea how many scum are left but still.
-Normal Doc
-Jailkeeper (dead)
-Tweaked Doc
-Bulletproof Doc
That makes no sense. I watched Basterds once and am not even sure how the guy could fit such a bodyguard role, don't remember if he had received a lot of bullets or something either though, but my memory might be failing.
On the Aage/Spurg death you forget that they were lovers and it's likely one would automatically die right away if the other died, that's usually how it works? So there were likely 2 kills last night, not 3, though one could still be the SK if you don't kill people like the scummy you are

Anyway, I believe way less Vic's claim than Haggis', I suppose it's not impossible they're both scum if one is SK in fact, but I'll wait to hear about Vic's actions before voting. Unvote

[nagerous]

Well if we lynch Haggis, I can defend Victor tonight.. after all if he is 'bulletproof' he should have no fear of me in case I go insane on his ass and kill him. Edoc can go ahead and investigate me for I have nothing to hide.

[ga7]

If we lynch Haggis? Ok that's enough. Even though it's not likely your plan totally avoids the case where town is at LyLo today.

If one looks at all the posts since Haggis claimed to this point they'll find you only defending Victor, buying time for him and inciting him to claim. That's the fishiest thing that happened so far. I'm only worried of one thing, it's that you're fishing for this. Grmbl... I'll still wait for Vic's actions.

[Dlanor A. Knox]

/in to replace?

[nagerous]

If we lynch Haggis? Ok that's enough. Even though it's not likely your plan totally avoids the case where town is at LyLo today.

If one looks at all the posts since Haggis claimed to this point they'll find you only defending Victor, buying time for him and inciting him to claim. That's the fishiest thing that happened so far. I'm only worried of one thing, it's that you're fishing for this. Grmbl... I'll still wait for Vic's actions.

Sorry there are 9 alive, LyLo didn't cross to mind despite the fact that there is only 1 mafia dead. Anyway one of my posts was criticising you for attacking Victor when I saw Aldo Raines as one of the strongest claims to come out of the town as of yet .


Anyway, I don't know how you see me as having bought time for him and since when did pressurising someone to claim become some scummy inciting as you put it. I'm losing your logic here. Also, I like the way you have convenient ignored strike's post yet continue to attack/manipulate my points into making them appear as part of some big ruse.

[ga7]

I realize you probably didn't reread today but:

Okay I am quite concerned for our odds right now. We started with 16 players, and we've lost 7, 6 of whom were townies. I'm guessing about 40% (3-4) are mafia (remember they've only lost one), and only 5-6 are town. And I'm concerned that no one else has spoken up about this.

I'm afraid with only 1 scum dead and 9 alive out of 16 we could be to LyLo already, especially since that scum was just a lover.

So yeah 5 scum team wouldn't be farfetched, or 4 scum + 1 sk. There's only two nights to go on from though so hard to say, I suppose we could have a vig but it could as well be one of the killers blocked night 1.

Post collection time!

3 votes should be enough for now, victor talk...

Vote Haggis. Youre welcome Vanilla claim doesnt cut it for me.

Going to elaborate here? You're under pressure yourself..

er.. how about a defence/claim of your own?

Very well: I am Aldo Raines, Town Bulletproof Bodyguard.

Well it is much a stronger claim than Hugo to say the least. So bulletproof bodyguard as in you will kill anyone who targets the person who you are protecting or that you like an ultimate bodyguard in the fact that you take the hit and don't die?

I call BS. I'd also like to know the full extent of your role before I vote though.

Actually, I think you might be the BSer.. [...]

Well if we lynch Haggis, I can defend Victor tonight.. after all if he is 'bulletproof' he should have no fear of me in case I go insane on his ass and kill him. Edoc can go ahead and investigate me for I have nothing to hide.

Am I the only one who gets a rather weird impression from all this? Sure you pressure him to claim eventually, although he didn't till Tails set him straight, but that's rather meaningless in a game with fake claims. Admittedly I'm rather tense and more prone to paranoïa than usual but I read it as you helping him out, especially with your further posts finding it normal to have a bulletproof doc. I mean we can argue the setup being poor in power roles and I think it's not the kind of games that simply compensates it, but bulletproof doc is not exactly the type of role you see often especially alongside other doc(s)+ a jailkeeper. You focus again on the flavor when there's enough characters in Tarantino movies to make anyone a potential fake claim. Is my reasoning that devoid of logic? You attacked me as Haggis' scumbuddy right away after all, even though I stated his claim doesn't make him any more likely town, so...

I didn't so much ignore Strike's post as not sure what to answer there, I don't know if he's plainly agreeing to your points which I already answered or has more elaborate views that he would then need to, well, elaborate.

[safariguy5]

Announcement

Dlanor A. Knox has replaced VioIet.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

Victor-3 (strike wolf, edocsil, haggis)
haggis-2 (naxus, Victor)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline next Monday.

[Dlanor A. Knox]

Ok, so who wants to recap shit for me?

Not feeling like reading 40 pages to develop reads.

Also, I'm sorry but "Bulletproof Bodyguard" is bullshit. It's almost so ridiculous, that only a fool would claim it. Honestly, I'm looking at the number of VT's already dead, and thinking there might be a maximum of one left.

Also, looking at that doc claim and thinking that might be a place to start looking around.

[Dlanor A. Knox]

You are all going to kill me with your flavor Speculation.

Stop trying to say "oh yeah! That role would fit as a doctor! Totally!", because roles are at the Mod's discretion, and therefor are not subject to your flavor analysis.

The next person who says "I think Hugo can be a VT because he's barely shown in the movies" is getting my vote for the moment, as I have nothing to go on.

By the by, Scum uses flavor spec. to throw false information and leads into the town. People using flavor spec. should be looked at very carefully, to see what the intent behind their posts truly is.

[Dlanor A. Knox]

Strange... Haggis has never acted newby before. I am gonna read up and see if I agree, as you may be on to something...

When this started it was my second game. I wasn't born with knowledge of mafia, you know

And, fine, I'll claim, not much point in keeping it secret.

I'm Hugo Stieglitz, Vanilla Townie.

I've never been lynched while playing town, don't ruin my record guys.

Directed at the quoted line, please answer the following:

Firstly, earlier on you made a post commenting that people thought you were scum for "playing the game". This post claiming inexperience seems to be slightly contradictory in a way. Would you reference yourself as a skilled player, or one with little experience?

Secondly, this whole post is bad. "Don't worry about the mistakes I make! It's just because I'm inexperienced! Not scum here!" No. You're not escaping with that excuse.

Next, you throw out a VT claim. Where I come from, that's called a Lazy Scum. Sorry, I couldn't think of a better fake claim, so I'm giving you this VT claim.

Also, stop the Appeal to emotion. That last line was unnecessary.

In conclusion, for the moment, FoS: Haggis because your claim is horrible, and so is your defense.

[Dlanor A. Knox]

I am here but not alot to add. Not enough pressure to force me to claim and no other real leads here

All right. The case against you is pretty much the only one atm, so I guess I'll put some more pressure.


vote naxus

Oh hai der scum.

I'm sorry, this is BAD. "The only case that town is providing me right now is on you, so I have to sheep this way."

Essentially, you just told us that you were scum wanting to put pressure only where the town had already made a case, and not create a case of your own.

Start making your own cases.

If I hadn't JUST replaced in, I'd be voting you right now, but I'm trying to find someone worse than you, before I vote.

[Dlanor A. Knox]

Vote Count
tails-2 (edocsil, Haggis)
naxus-1 (VioIet)
VioIet-1 (naxus)
karelp-8 (ga7, strike wolf, naxus, aage, nagerous, edocsil, haggis, Victor)


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Karelp is lynched.

You guys lynched yesterday without even trying to get KarelP to claim? And you lost a jailer.

Seems to me like there is scum on this wagon.

I'll note that Victor provided overkill, under a vote of "I'm not sure how many votes it takes for lynch, but I'll vote now". So his vote is valid for discussion.

I'm going to truncate the suspicion at strike wolf. First 2 on a wagon are probably not scum, or at least, I'm not going to be able to determine scum intent from the first two voters.

Look who's on the wagon! HAGGIS, MAH BUD. YUR POPIN' UP EVERYWHERE! More scum points <3

Beyond that, just remember this vote count: With 8 votes, I'm speculating at least 2 scum on this wagon.

[Dlanor A. Knox]

So I guess I'm going to leave it at that for the moment, but I have one more thing I want to do.

Vote: Haggis

This is scum folks, wagon confidently.

No more posts from me until other people respond though ^_^

[ga7]

Wow, a replacement that can't bother reading the whole thread. I'm shocked. You seem pretty arrogant considering you didn't even do that...

[Haggis_McMutton]

Woah, new guy. Tone down the arrogance a notch. Also multiple quotes in a single post are your friends.

Firstly, earlier on you made a post commenting that people thought you were scum for "playing the game". This post claiming inexperience seems to be slightly contradictory in a way. Would you reference yourself as a skilled player, or one with little experience?

This game had a big break in the middle. When it started I was new, now I'm not.

Secondly, this whole post is bad. "Don't worry about the mistakes I make! It's just because I'm inexperienced! Not scum here!" No. You're not escaping with that excuse.

Next, you throw out a VT claim. Where I come from, that's called a Lazy Scum. Sorry, I couldn't think of a better fake claim, so I'm giving you this VT claim.

So you wanted me to lie? Should I have claimed extra-special daykilling bulletproof recruiting doc, like our friendly VIctor seems to be doing? I'm a freakin VT what do you want?

Also, stop the Appeal to emotion. That last line was unnecessary.

This is a fucking game, and that was a fucking joke. You probably come from mafiascum or some other site that takes themselves way to seriously. Take a deep breath, check out the world outside the window.

Oh hai der scum.

I'm sorry, this is BAD. "The only case that town is providing me right now is on you, so I have to sheep this way."

Essentially, you just told us that you were scum wanting to put pressure only where the town had already made a case, and not create a case of your own.

Start making your own cases.

If I hadn't JUST replaced in, I'd be voting you right now, but I'm trying to find someone worse than you, before I vote.

There was no activity, no other cases and a deadline.
The choice was wait for the deadline or put pressure on the only, albeit weak, case.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

This is a fucking game, and that was a fucking joke. You probably come from mafiascum or some other site that takes themselves way to seriously. Take a deep breath, check out the world outside the window.

QFT. This is CC mafia. Emnbrace the silleh.

-Tails

[strike wolf]

I'm actually tempted to agree to an extent on what the new guy is saying. If all the roles fit the characters we would have 5+ vigs in this game. As per what I'm thinking as far as victor's claim. His role sounds unlikely but unless someone is able to counter name claim it is a role that should be in this game or at least I will be very disappointed if its not. So yes at this point I would be more comfortable with a haggis lynch. unvote

Oh and for the record we don't like to summarize games for people because any summary we could give you would be biased. Its best just to read back.