Matrix mafia Day 3 - no-one died? [Abandoned]

[aage]

Vote Count

0. aage 1 (Flores)
1. Tailgunner
2. Edoc 5 ( xuereb, Chu, Freezie, /, 00iCon)
3. VioIet
4. Haggis
5. Freezie
6. Strike Wolf
7. TheSaxlad 1 (strike wolf)
8. Commander9 1 (vioIet (no they don't stack))
9. 00iCon 5 (edoc, saxlad, Commander9, tails, Flow)
10. Flow520
11. xuereb
12. / 1 (Saxlad)
13. Chu
14. Flores

14 alive, 8 to lynch.

Flow, I'm counting L-3. Did I miss anything?

Also, yes this is dragging, want a deadline?

[TA1LGUNN3R]

8. Commander9 1 (vioIet (no they don't stack))

lulz Commander should appreciate that one. I'm not sure how I feel about a deadline. There's been a recent pickup in activity. But that can be fickle. I guess I would be in favor if it didn't keep up in the next day or two.

-Tails

[Flow520]

Flow, I'm counting L-3. Did I miss anything?

Regarding 00iCon, you are correct, it is L-3. I missed Strike Wolf's vote change to TheSaxlad on page 19.
/ doesn't have any votes though.

[Fircoal]

Unvote Vote 00icon

00 is the best to lynch, not necessarily because he's the scummiest but if he comes out mafia I think there's a great chance that Saxlad is mafia and a good chance that Commander is also mafia. Noob scum would be very likely to defend their scum because they don't know any better yet. When you see 00 who is attacking everyone defend Saxlad I think that's a pretty good hint that they are paired together. Him and Commander I'm nawt as sure but Commander seemed very wanting to save him earlier.

[strike wolf]

Unvote Vote 00icon

00 is the best to lynch, not necessarily because he's the scummiest but if he comes out mafia I think there's a great chance that Saxlad is mafia and a good chance that Commander is also mafia. Noob scum would be very likely to defend their scum because they don't know any better yet. When you see 00 who is attacking everyone defend Saxlad I think that's a pretty good hint that they are paired together. Him and Commander I'm nawt as sure but Commander seemed very wanting to save him earlier.

I more or less agree with this. saxlad, commander, and icon...a bit of a convoluted relationship but as close to definite connections as we're likely to get this early. That being said we are at l-2. Icon should claim.

[00iCon]

Unvote Vote 00icon

00 is the best to lynch, not necessarily because he's the scummiest but if he comes out mafia I think there's a great chance that Saxlad is mafia and a good chance that Commander is also mafia. Noob scum would be very likely to defend their scum because they don't know any better yet. When you see 00 who is attacking everyone defend Saxlad I think that's a pretty good hint that they are paired together. Him and Commander I'm nawt as sure but Commander seemed very wanting to save him earlier.

I didn't - directly - defend Saxlad. What I meant was out of the 2, Edoc was a better vote than Saxlad. I'm still suspicious of everyone here.

[Fircoal]

An good summary, one of the other reasons I favor his lynch.

My vote isn't where I recall it, vote 00icon

Just sheeping SW is really scummy to me.
I must say Saxlad's post is SO scummy not even scum would post it.
As such I am more inclined to vote the one who followed SW and tried to slip under the radar.
vote edocsil

Sax's post is so scummy that he isn't scum? I'm pretty sure you just defended him there.

[TheSaxlad]

WAIT!!!!!

DONT VOTE OOicon!

unvote

I am pretty much sure that OOicon is NOT mafia. almost 100%. Leave it and let someone investigate him tonight. I have just realised something big (which I will share soon) and if we kill OOicon we (town) will be at a serious disadvantage. In fact I usher you to give him all protection tonight.

I will ask you to do what I ask. But I know that you won't...

[TheSaxlad]

Unvote Vote 00icon

00 is the best to lynch, not necessarily because he's the scummiest but if he comes out mafia I think there's a great chance that Saxlad is mafia and a good chance that Commander is also mafia. Noob scum would be very likely to defend their scum because they don't know any better yet. When you see 00 who is attacking everyone defend Saxlad I think that's a pretty good hint that they are paired together. Him and Commander I'm nawt as sure but Commander seemed very wanting to save him earlier.

And I do not know whether OOicon is protecting me. But it is a good shout fircoal. and makes me think more that he is not mafia.

[strike wolf]

Do you have any backing for what you're saying Sax or are you just shouting "hey he defended me he can't be scum"?

[TheSaxlad]

Ok. Ive been thinking about this and here goes what I believe will happen over the course of the game.

Smith- Mafia for possibly one or two nights, then becomes a third party recruiter, anyone who is recruited is a smith. Possibly with his powers possibly not, [would make for a horribly overpowered third-party endgame] also if it rings true, smith will most likely be unlynchable and might possibly only be killed by neo.

Neo, Morpheus, Trinity - Could be town, however could be a little powergroup of their own with a kill each? also neo and trinity are likely to be lovers, possibly with a ??? vote and if one is killed then the other dies etc etc etc. Morpheus could also possibly show up as scum to anyone who looks because of his tendencies to go off track but that is a long shot.

Cypher- Most probably a traitor same as smith stays town for two nights then goes over to mafia. perhaps could reveal one role a night to mafia?

The guy who gets recruited by smith in the third movie- I wouldn't usually think a small part like this would be in a themed mafia however it could be town, then if he is recruited by smith still stay town but be third party?

Oracle and Seraph- Most likely a investigative role, but might be able to track as well. seraph may have a kill each night but could also be equivalent to a vanilla, his only allowed action being to protect the oracle.

That Makes 8 people, we have 15.

8+3 Agent Grunts = 11.
Possibly the commander of the zion forces- possibly like a mayor, be a vote changer or vote stopper altogether. =12
Last three? Not sure if tank and his brother are important enough to be here, although 2 pairs siblings may change things =14
Last one? Not sure who ive forgotten, could be morpheus lover then wed have three pairs of town lovers / siblings which would be too overpowered, also might be a bit of rivalry between the commander and morpheus. So now for roles.

Morpheus- Town/ Third Party Group/Town Recruiter?
Neo- Town/ Third Party Group/ Lover / Most Likely Night Kill BulletProof?
Trinity- Town/ Third Party Group/ Lover/ Protector/ Doc Unlynchable?
Cypher- Town Traitor/Lyncher---> Mafia?
Outside Smith Town----->Third Party Smith?
Smith- Mafia -----> Third Party Smith?
Agent Grunt 1,2,3 -----> Mafia?
Oracle- Town, Investigator/Tracker?
Seraph- Town, Protector of Oracle?
Commander of Zionist Forces - Town Mayor/ Lyncher?
Tank + Brother- Doc's/ Vanilla Townies?
?????

So if this is True.

Then VioIet is the one we should be lynching as she is the most likely to be cypher, keeping trying to lynch commander (stacking votes =lol)
Which in that Case makes commander a power role and someone who should be protected.
Going past that it also means that 00icon, as I have objected in the post above could be seraph? Morpheus and Seraph know each other? could be possible?

im gonna stop there for now, but I think ill put a vote on vioiet and let her respond.

vote vioIet

[TheSaxlad]

Do you have any backing for what you're saying Sax or are you just shouting "hey he defended me he can't be scum"?

See above.

[TheSaxlad]

ebwop, commander could be morpheus or oracle.

[TheSaxlad]

ebwop2 but I think these people NEED to be protected tonight by the docs. all docs take heed.

also where did xuereb go?

[strike wolf]

Umm...ok...I'm not sure to start with that theory is based on too little for this far into the game, that post makes very little sense, you jumped to conclusions way too early on who is probably what role or that the theory is flawed.

First of all behaviorally, jumping to saying that blah de blah is who and other blah de blah is that, way too early in the game to really make those connections and I don't see how icon's play so far makes him seraph.

Secondly, it is a bit early for speculating on every single role in the entire game and I have reason to believe some of your speculation into certain characters is inaccurate almost blatantly so in that it doesn't really fit their characteristics...also if commander and icon knew that both of them were town it doesn't seem as likely that icon would have on two occasions picked him out of the crowd and questioned his judgment. It's possible icon is trying to distance himself from a known associate but that could just as easily work if both were scum and scum groups are more common.

this looks like you blowing smoke...the reasoning for the roles you decided each player probably is is weak and the theory you have for the game set up is all speculation without any real backing. You're theory may not turn out to be too far off but it's too early in the game to know that much.

I haven't seen any reason to suspect you of being town sax but in interest of connections between you, icon and commander, I think it serves best to pressure icon. vote icon.

[edocsil]

I have seen some ridiculous stuff D1, but that really takes the cake. Some of it is also blatantly wrong. I really wanted to be Captain Mifune, the badass with the walking tank in the third movie, and we were explicitly told that it would only be people who were frequently in the matrix. So that's three wrong up there. I could go on but there is really no point, you have absolutely no idea what the setup is and we have no reason at all to take your opinion to not lynch Icon.

[TheSaxlad]

I have seen some ridiculous stuff D1, but that really takes the cake. Some of it is also blatantly wrong. I really wanted to be Captain Mifune, the badass with the walking tank in the third movie, and we were explicitly told that it would only be people who were frequently in the matrix. So that's three wrong up there. I could go on but there is really no point, you have absolutely no idea what the setup is and we have no reason at all to take your opinion to not lynch Icon.

Yeah You do. You take my opinion on everything.

Whether or not you want to act on it is the question young one.

[edocsil]

I have seen some ridiculous stuff D1, but that really takes the cake. Some of it is also blatantly wrong. I really wanted to be Captain Mifune, the badass with the walking tank in the third movie, and we were explicitly told that it would only be people who were frequently in the matrix. So that's three wrong up there. I could go on but there is really no point, you have absolutely no idea what the setup is and we have no reason at all to take your opinion to not lynch Icon.

Yeah You do. You take my opinion on everything.

Whether or not you want to act on it is the question young one.

?What? Yes I do have to go on? How am I taking your opinion? I do not understand.

[xuereb]

ebwop2 but I think these people NEED to be protected tonight by the docs. all docs take heed.

also where did xuereb go?

Im right here

now what your saying is that we shouldn't vote for icon because your saying that he is not mafia but you seem to be the only one that thinks that

which leads me to believe that you along with him are mafia and you are desperately trying to protect your own along with misleading the doctors

so i think that i will unvote edoc because i have absolutely no reason to vote for him anymore
and vote 00icon just to see what happens

[Commander9]

Unvote.

He was at L-1. Guys, let him at least claim...

[edocsil]

Unvote.

He was at L-1. Guys, let him at least claim...

Was he? If he was that will be a lynch. His own damn fault for refusing to claim under substantial pressure. It is good to claim at L-2 simply because of the accidental hammers of the careless.

[strike wolf]

No I'm pretty sure commander meant that he was at l-1 before he unvoted. Icon needs to claim.

[Commander9]

No I'm pretty sure commander meant that he was at l-1 before he unvoted. Icon needs to claim.

This or the hammer falls down.

[aage]

Yes, he was at L-1 at some point. Then commander unvoted and he was back on L-2.

[00iCon]

Sax i can disprove you very quickly, sorry.
I am Sati, Innocent Child. I cannot be night killed.
That's all. If you want to go ahead with the lynch because it provides good leads, then lynch me, I still win if I'm dead. But you've got to be certain! In I for one am certainly not certain of commander and sax.