Matrix mafia Day 3 - no-one died? [Abandoned]

[edocsil]

Sax i can disprove you very quickly, sorry.
I am Sati, Innocent Child. I cannot be night killed.
That's all. If you want to go ahead with the lynch because it provides good leads, then lynch me, I still win if I'm dead. But you've got to be certain! In I for one am certainly not certain of commander and sax.

I don't understand the bulletproof bit. The character is a bit obscure but not too so. It would make a good fake claim to be handed to the mafia. That being said the character could plausibly be in the game. I just don't like the bulletproof bit. Are there any conditions to it? It would make more sense if there was.

[TheSaxlad]

Sax i can disprove you very quickly, sorry.
I am Sati, Innocent Child. I cannot be night killed.
That's all. If you want to go ahead with the lynch because it provides good leads, then lynch me, I still win if I'm dead. But you've got to be certain! In I for one am certainly not certain of commander and sax.

I don't understand the bulletproof bit. The character is a bit obscure but not too so. It would make a good fake claim to be handed to the mafia. That being said the character could plausibly be in the game. I just don't like the bulletproof bit. Are there any conditions to it? It would make more sense if there was.

I imagine that if seraph was to die innocent child would die as well, as she came under the protection of the oracle.

[VioIet]

Unvote Vote 00icon

00 is the best to lynch, not necessarily because he's the scummiest but if he comes out mafia I think there's a great chance that Saxlad is mafia and a good chance that Commander is also mafia. Noob scum would be very likely to defend their scum because they don't know any better yet. When you see 00 who is attacking everyone defend Saxlad I think that's a pretty good hint that they are paired together. Him and Commander I'm nawt as sure but Commander seemed very wanting to save him earlier.

QFT

Sax i can disprove you very quickly, sorry.
I am Sati, Innocent Child. I cannot be night killed.
That's all. If you want to go ahead with the lynch because it provides good leads, then lynch me, I still win if I'm dead. But you've got to be certain! In I for one am certainly not certain of commander and sax.

Why do you still win if you are dead? Do you mean that you are town aligned, so even if you die, you win if town wins? If mafia wins, you can't win. If you win when you are dead, no matter what- sounds like you are some sort of jester or lyncher??? Sorry for my misunderstanding, but I would like to know more.

[edocsil]

Unvote Vote 00icon

00 is the best to lynch, not necessarily because he's the scummiest but if he comes out mafia I think there's a great chance that Saxlad is mafia and a good chance that Commander is also mafia. Noob scum would be very likely to defend their scum because they don't know any better yet. When you see 00 who is attacking everyone defend Saxlad I think that's a pretty good hint that they are paired together. Him and Commander I'm nawt as sure but Commander seemed very wanting to save him earlier.

QFT

Sax i can disprove you very quickly, sorry.
I am Sati, Innocent Child. I cannot be night killed.
That's all. If you want to go ahead with the lynch because it provides good leads, then lynch me, I still win if I'm dead. But you've got to be certain! In I for one am certainly not certain of commander and sax.

Why do you still win if you are dead? Do you mean that you are town aligned, so even if you die, you win if town wins? If mafia wins, you can't win. If you win when you are dead, no matter what- sounds like you are some sort of jester or lyncher??? Sorry for my misunderstanding, but I would like to know more.

I believe he is assuming that the town will win. That being said I will unvote. If you bulletproofness is linked to the Seraph your role becomes far more plausible. And no I am not the Seraph, but it just fits better then a bulletproof child.

[00iCon]

Why do you still win if you are dead? Do you mean that you are town aligned, so even if you die, you win if town wins? If mafia wins, you can't win. If you win when you are dead, no matter what- sounds like you are some sort of jester or lyncher??? Sorry for my misunderstanding, but I would like to know more.

Eh? i understood standard mafia rules are the WHOLE town or mafia wins even if a member dies...
the way i understand my role is that i can only be lynched or lose at endgame. the disadvantage is that i can't provide much input to the town.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Wait,wait,wait. There's something very odd going on here.

1.Sax makes that ridiculous post defending icon(seriously, not only did it make no sense at all, but has anyone ever seen Sax making a post that big?)
2. icon comes up with a obscure claim(I had to google "Sati matrix", she doesn't even have a wiki page)
3.Now comes the really weird bit:

I don't understand the bulletproof bit. The character is a bit obscure but not too so. It would make a good fake claim to be handed to the mafia. That being said the character could plausibly be in the game. I just don't like the bulletproof bit. Are there any conditions to it? It would make more sense if there was.

I imagine that if seraph was to die innocent child would die as well, as she came under the protection of the oracle.

I believe he is assuming that the town will win. That being said I will unvote. If you bulletproofness is linked to the Seraph your role becomes far more plausible. And no I am not the Seraph, but it just fits better then a bulletproof child.

Here's how i read this exchange:
edoc:"Ok, not a bad fakeclaim, but you need to add more flavour. Give us something about the bulletproofness"
sax:" Oh, I've got it, how about blablabla"
edoc:"good enough, ok guys let's move on, unvote"

This just doesn't smell good at all. Sorry, but the obscure role + this very weird exchange = vote icon

[edocsil]

Remember how I shamelessly wagoned him earlier on? I wouldn't do that to a scummate. Sati doesn't have a lot of screen time in the movie, but she is fairly important to the plot.

[TheSaxlad]

Wait,wait,wait. There's something very odd going on here.

1.Sax makes that ridiculous post defending icon(seriously, not only did it make no sense at all, but has anyone ever seen Sax making a post that big?)
2. icon comes up with a obscure claim(I had to google "Sati matrix", she doesn't even have a wiki page)
3.Now comes the really weird bit:

I don't understand the bulletproof bit. The character is a bit obscure but not too so. It would make a good fake claim to be handed to the mafia. That being said the character could plausibly be in the game. I just don't like the bulletproof bit. Are there any conditions to it? It would make more sense if there was.

I imagine that if seraph was to die innocent child would die as well, as she came under the protection of the oracle.

I believe he is assuming that the town will win. That being said I will unvote. If you bulletproofness is linked to the Seraph your role becomes far more plausible. And no I am not the Seraph, but it just fits better then a bulletproof child.

Here's how i read this exchange:
edoc:"Ok, not a bad fakeclaim, but you need to add more flavour. Give us something about the bulletproofness"
sax:" Oh, I've got it, how about blablabla"
edoc:"good enough, ok guys let's move on, unvote"

This just doesn't smell good at all. Sorry, but the obscure role + this very weird exchange = vote icon

Ok firstly in this game its my job to make big posts like that. secondly has anyone ever thought that me and edoc maybe town allied together?? (however we are not) and also I have physically protected 00icon ever since I realised what I realised, and his role makes it even more plausible I support him.

However that looks taken from a role pm... which is a bit worrying...

[Commander9]

I imagine that if seraph was to die innocent child would die as well, as she came under the protection of the oracle.

I believe he is assuming that the town will win. That being said I will unvote. If you bulletproofness is linked to the Seraph your role becomes far more plausible. And no I am not the Seraph, but it just fits better then a bulletproof child.

To be fair, this particular exchange didn't make sense to me either. Shouldn't Seraph be actually protecting Sati instead of her being bullet-proof? I can understand her having certain abilities, but bullet-proof for me makes no sense whatsoever.

[edocsil]

I imagine that if seraph was to die innocent child would die as well, as she came under the protection of the oracle.

I believe he is assuming that the town will win. That being said I will unvote. If you bulletproofness is linked to the Seraph your role becomes far more plausible. And no I am not the Seraph, but it just fits better then a bulletproof child.

To be fair, this particular exchange didn't make sense to me either. Shouldn't Seraph be actually protecting Sati instead of her being bullet-proof? I can understand her having certain abilities, but bullet-proof for me makes no sense whatsoever.

Bulletproof while another character is alive is a common form of protection.

[Commander9]

Bulletproof while another character is alive is a common form of protection.

Hmm,if you say so, although I've played more than 10 games in CC mafia now and I still have never encountered such a connection. So, basically, say Seraph would die, according to 00coin, Sati would lose her bulletproof ability?

Also, wouldn't there be a same connection with the Oracle? If that's indeed so, wouldn't this be a bit too over-powered?

[aage]

FYI, Icon is back at L-1.

[Commander9]

FYI, Icon is back at L-1.

Can someone unvote until we're discussing this and actually progressing?

[Flow520]

Unvote

[edocsil]

Bulletproof while another character is alive is a common form of protection.

Hmm,if you say so, although I've played more than 10 games in CC mafia now and I still have never encountered such a connection. So, basically, say Seraph would die, according to 00coin, Sati would lose her bulletproof ability?

Also, wouldn't there be a same connection with the Oracle? If that's indeed so, wouldn't this be a bit too over-powered?

Hard to say. The Oracle makes the Seraph leave her to protect the child. Could go either way. I also have a feeling the being bulletproof might not quite so powerful in this game recruitment will be the true danger.

[Commander9]

Hard to say. The Oracle makes the Seraph leave her to protect the child. Could go either way. I also have a feeling the being bulletproof might not quite so powerful in this game recruitment will be the true danger.

But he has also been her bodyguard for basically the whole story. I don't know - you may be right, but whoever it really is, it's merely speculation at this point. We won't be able to find out any true information until the latter stages of the game.

Recruitment as in Agent Smith? I'm actually extremely interested how will all this play out and where Architect, Source, other Agents and Agent Smith come into play. If Agent Smith can indeed only be killed by Neo and he can also recruit, sounds a bit over-powered. Even if he's just bullet-proof, that makes him extremely powerful.

[strike wolf]

I'm not sure what to think about the claim...it's common enough that aage might have included it but obscure enough it could also easily be a fake claim. I think a conditional bp does fit the character and it is testable so for now unvote

[Fircoal]

Wait,wait,wait. There's something very odd going on here.

1.Sax makes that ridiculous post defending icon(seriously, not only did it make no sense at all, but has anyone ever seen Sax making a post that big?)
2. icon comes up with a obscure claim(I had to google "Sati matrix", she doesn't even have a wiki page)
3.Now comes the really weird bit:

I don't understand the bulletproof bit. The character is a bit obscure but not too so. It would make a good fake claim to be handed to the mafia. That being said the character could plausibly be in the game. I just don't like the bulletproof bit. Are there any conditions to it? It would make more sense if there was.

I imagine that if seraph was to die innocent child would die as well, as she came under the protection of the oracle.

I believe he is assuming that the town will win. That being said I will unvote. If you bulletproofness is linked to the Seraph your role becomes far more plausible. And no I am not the Seraph, but it just fits better then a bulletproof child.

Here's how i read this exchange:
edoc:"Ok, not a bad fakeclaim, but you need to add more flavour. Give us something about the bulletproofness"
sax:" Oh, I've got it, how about blablabla"
edoc:"good enough, ok guys let's move on, unvote"

This just doesn't smell good at all. Sorry, but the obscure role + this very weird exchange = vote icon

The part I like the most about this is the fact that Sax is doing the speaking for Icon. IT's like "Hey dudes, I can ditch out my scum buddy." Edocs removal so soon after Sax's explanation really looks like a setup. It's as if he was waiting for someone to "explain" the role a little bit better so he didn't have to unvote off of just Icon's claim.

[Fircoal]

Remember how I shamelessly wagoned him earlier on? I wouldn't do that to a scummate. Sati doesn't have a lot of screen time in the movie, but she is fairly important to the plot.

This post has stunk up the thread with the horrible smell of WIFOM! Edoc you're one of the better players here. You and I know very well that good mafia players as mafia are willing to throw out their mafia buddies to kill any sort of connections. Especially on random noobs who probably won't be any good in the first place. Just look at Frenchie-chan and Flores during Winner 4 mafia. They PLANNED to through sensfan under the bus. Similarly you could have PLANNED to throw icon under but are now backing off cause it'll get Sax and Commander killed too.

[Commander9]

This post has stunk up the thread with the horrible smell of WIFOM! Edoc you're one of the better players here. You and I know very well that good mafia players as mafia are willing to throw out their mafia buddies to kill any sort of connections. Especially on random noobs who probably won't be any good in the first place. Just look at Frenchie-chan and Flores during Winner 4 mafia. They PLANNED to through sensfan under the bus. Similarly you could have PLANNED to throw icon under but are now backing off cause it'll get Sax and Commander killed too.

To be honest, while I have no idea how you get me connected with any but 00 (and even that connection only comes mainly from post one), I agree about your regards. Edoc might specifically do that because then he could defend that no experienced player would do that and get away. Like I've said before, I've been getting bad vibes here from him.

[Fircoal]

This post has stunk up the thread with the horrible smell of WIFOM! Edoc you're one of the better players here. You and I know very well that good mafia players as mafia are willing to throw out their mafia buddies to kill any sort of connections. Especially on random noobs who probably won't be any good in the first place. Just look at Frenchie-chan and Flores during Winner 4 mafia. They PLANNED to through sensfan under the bus. Similarly you could have PLANNED to throw icon under but are now backing off cause it'll get Sax and Commander killed too.

To be honest, while I have no idea how you get me connected with any but 00 (and even that connection only comes mainly from post one), I agree about your regards. Edoc might specifically do that because then he could defend that no experienced player would do that and get away. Like I've said before, I've been getting bad vibes here from him.

Looking at my old post, it was from your initial defense of Icon, though it seems much weaker compared to Sac and Edoc.

[edocsil]

Remember how I shamelessly wagoned him earlier on? I wouldn't do that to a scummate. Sati doesn't have a lot of screen time in the movie, but she is fairly important to the plot.

This post has stunk up the thread with the horrible smell of WIFOM! Edoc you're one of the better players here. You and I know very well that good mafia players as mafia are willing to throw out their mafia buddies to kill any sort of connections. Especially on random noobs who probably won't be any good in the first place. Just look at Frenchie-chan and Flores during Winner 4 mafia. They PLANNED to through sensfan under the bus. Similarly you could have PLANNED to throw icon under but are now backing off cause it'll get Sax and Commander killed too.

You are quite right. At this point I do have the experience to accuse and lynch a scummate. I wouldn't however, do it day one. I would be to worried that they would sell me out and try to bluff to keep themselves alive. The hypothetical scummate would die as well, but it would be a moot point from my perspective if it turned the heat back to me.

[Fircoal]

Remember how I shamelessly wagoned him earlier on? I wouldn't do that to a scummate. Sati doesn't have a lot of screen time in the movie, but she is fairly important to the plot.

This post has stunk up the thread with the horrible smell of WIFOM! Edoc you're one of the better players here. You and I know very well that good mafia players as mafia are willing to throw out their mafia buddies to kill any sort of connections. Especially on random noobs who probably won't be any good in the first place. Just look at Frenchie-chan and Flores during Winner 4 mafia. They PLANNED to through sensfan under the bus. Similarly you could have PLANNED to throw icon under but are now backing off cause it'll get Sax and Commander killed too.

You are quite right. At this point I do have the experience to accuse and lynch a scummate. I wouldn't however, do it day one. I would be to worried that they would sell me out and try to bluff to keep themselves alive. The hypothetical scummate would die as well, but it would be a moot point from my perspective if it turned the heat back to me.

Really I think if the time presents itself any time could be good. That was the perfect time to do any distancing if you wanted to. Although the move did not do well for the town's looks at you. (But whether you knew that or not is a different case and something that we probably shouldn't get into)

[00iCon]

I'm sorry to stall the argument a little, but my role does not inform me of another player granting me bulletproof-ness. 'course it's possible. just my two cents.

[edocsil]

Sax i can disprove you very quickly, sorry.
I am Sati, Innocent Child. I cannot be night killed.
That's all. If you want to go ahead with the lynch because it provides good leads, then lynch me, I still win if I'm dead. But you've got to be certain! In I for one am certainly not certain of commander and sax.

I don't understand the bulletproof bit. The character is a bit obscure but not too so. It would make a good fake claim to be handed to the mafia. That being said the character could plausibly be in the game. I just don't like the bulletproof bit. Are there any conditions to it? It would make more sense if there was.

I imagine that if seraph was to die innocent child would die as well, as she came under the protection of the oracle.

O shit. I thought you said this Icon. It was more or less the whole reason I believed the claim. My 180 because of sax's words did indeed look scummy Fircoal. I was mistaken at the author.

Seeing as I don't by the randomly bulletproof child Vote Icon