[Official] Middle East REVAMP [Quenched]

JCRuffino · Post by **JCRuffino** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:54 am

Sounds good to me

Enigma · Post by **Enigma** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:21 am

KEYOGI wrote:
mibi wrote:looks great, the only thing i would suggest is that maybe the continent names could be bigger and stretch across the whole continent more, like real maps do. some like Egypt and so would have to be diagonal, and probably a tad more transparent.
With the army shadows gone I think that could work. Anyone else like this idea?

i think youll have the same problem with the near east being cluttered if you make them any larger.

also- colourscheme-wise, i think it is a little too yellow. love the dark brown dead territories.

i love the title- thats perfect. not sure bout the legend.

and i still think some burnt edges would look cool

cheeseweasel · Post by **cheeseweasel** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:48 am

That's a remarkable improvement, but just call Israel Israel.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:57 am

cheeseweasel wrote:That's a remarkable improvement, but just call Israel Israel.

No name changes, and no debate about it this time either.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:58 am

there's a small island underneath the title. remove it.

WidowMakers · Post by **WidowMakers** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:03 pm

I like this update the most. I agree that the legend needs to be changed. The text is just too plain. Maybe a scroll of a parchment behind the bonuese. Make them bigger too.

I hope the army circles come back. I think it helps players look over a map quicker and more easier. I know there will be numbers there when this is all done but the contrasting circels help move your eyes around them map quicker. Just look at the Senate map. It is less cluttered without circles but (IMHO) harder to read.

fluffybunnykins · Post by **fluffybunnykins** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:16 pm

maybe a good compromise on the circles thing would be circles with no outline that fade from completely transparent at the edge to 50% (or even more...) transparency white in the centre???
I still think it looks great. I agree with Dim that the island looks odd under the title. Maybe the Bonus numbers could have similar circles to the armies (^^^) but in the colour of the continent? Subtle but unifying?

KEYOGI · Post by **KEYOGI** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:22 pm

WidowMakers wrote:I like this update the most. I agree that the legend needs to be changed. The text is just too plain. Maybe a scroll of a parchment behind the bonuese. Make them bigger too.

I really want to avoid the scroll, so many people use it in their maps. I'll try and come up with something though.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:27 pm

Looking at the update, its all good for me except the dead territories. The dark brown is a little too dark, in my opinion, and it becomes the first thing you notce (rather than the playable territory). I think it needs to be toned down a little so it isn't so dominant.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:30 pm

Turkey province Antakya?

cheeseweasel · Post by **cheeseweasel** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:43 pm

Guiscard wrote:
cheeseweasel wrote:That's a remarkable improvement, but just call Israel Israel.
No name changes, and no debate about it this time either.

Yeah, I hear not debating things usually helps.

Lt. Valerian · Post by **Lt. Valerian** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:49 pm

I like the changes exactly as you have them now. Also, I think that the title and legend are nice as they are. I think adding anything behind them would just clutter the map up. I think one of the strengths of the map is its simplicity. Oh, also, the colors are great.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:02 pm

cheeseweasel wrote:
Guiscard wrote:
cheeseweasel wrote:That's a remarkable improvement, but just call Israel Israel.
No name changes, and no debate about it this time either.
Yeah, I hear not debating things usually helps.

It was debated enough last time, I'm afraid. This is a purely graphical revamp, nothing else. PM the original map maker if you're particularly bothered.

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:03 pm

Just a quick side thing, could you stagger 'Near East' on the map, so you can clearly read it?

--Andy

KEYOGI · Post by **KEYOGI** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:52 pm

March 25
- Changes to legend
- Lightened dead territory
- Moved Near East label slightly

Comments
After many many attempts to come up with something nice for the bonus, I've kept it relatively simple. The size and space I have to work with doesn't lend itself to much creativity.

I tried many variations with larger continent labels, but they just don't work... mainly because there's no room to increase the size of the Near East label. The only change I made here was to move the Near East label to the West slightly so it is more visible.

Dead territory has been lightened a little to try and help it fit well with the rest of the map.

Once the title and legend are set I'll move onto the edges. I haven't seen much point doing anything on the edges so far.

unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:38 pm

WOW. Really, really good.

Unit_2 · Post by **Unit_2** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:16 am

dude. there is no color at all.... this is soo doll. it could put me to sleep.. you NEED some color...

Molacole · Post by **Molacole** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:17 am

by far the best look you've come up with thus far. My only grief with the map is the cucu brown colors for the nuetral grounds.

Unit_2 · Post by **Unit_2** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:19 am

how do you guys like this?... theres no... color..

KEYOGI · Post by **KEYOGI** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:31 am

KEYOGI wrote:I've been aiming for the old parchment look that the original creator wanted...

KEYOGI wrote:...I realise the colours are quite similar, I've done this on purpose.

Incandenza · Post by **Incandenza** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:50 am

It doesn't need color.

It's beautiful, keyogi. Wow. So totally unlike any of the other maps on here. Love the old parchment/vellum look.

We need to clone you so you can revamp some of the other early maps...

Wisse · Post by **Wisse** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:46 am

perfect! now you can make the tiny one, and mayby you have to check what looks better with or without shades

spinwizard · Post by **spinwizard** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:52 am

it looks amazing!

can u tell me how u did the mountains?

KEYOGI · Post by **KEYOGI** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:22 am

spinwizard wrote:it looks amazing!

can u tell me how u did the mountains?

4 layers. I drew the outline of the mountains for the top layer. Then a light colour as the base. 2 middle layers of different shades to add depth.

Incandenza wrote:We need to clone you so you can revamp some of the other early maps...

I'd be more than happy to revamp some old maps, just need the original cartographers permission first.

Wisse wrote:perfect! now you can make the tiny one, and mayby you have to check what looks better with or without shades

I personally think it looks much better without army shadows, there's a lot less clutter. I'll wait and see how it looks with numbers before making a final decision though.

If the rest of the map is fine as it is, I'll begin work on the egdes for the next update.

spinwizard · Post by **spinwizard** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:25 am

KEYOGI wrote:
spinwizard wrote:it looks amazing!

can u tell me how u did the mountains?
4 layers. I drew the outline of the mountains for the top layer. Then a light colour as the base. 2 middle layers of different shades to add depth.

cool i will try doing more than 1 layer mountains