Discussion: Does Yahweh really love us?

[tkr4lf]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......a bunch of religious fanatics spreading their bullshit on an online forum....wow. Go f*ck yourselves...nobody wants to read this shit.

And by the way, your statements that "God is laughing back at you" and that "The only reason you are alive after saying such a thing is through God's grace..." are complete and total bull shit. Take your holier-than-thou attitude and shove it up your ass. Bunch of retards believing in fairy tales.

[dijxtra]

Logical fallacy! You can't prove a negative.

Exactly. Then I just don't engage in bussiness of proving a negative.

[dijxtra]

dijxtra, hope u got ur answer on why God has a right to punish people still looking at the attitude of Aradhus or whatever the real name is..the only reason Aradhus is still alive after his blatant curses towards Yahweh or Yeshuah or Jesus is grace & in itself a testimony & proof of God's love & forgiveness for us..

That is one explanation why he is still alive, yes. Let me propose some others:
a) God believes in free speech,
b) God is not a 9-year-old girl which will get terribly insulted by childish remarks,
c) God doesn't care,
d) God does not exist.

You see, that is continuation of my previous point: you shouldn't start sentences with "the only reason is"/"the only explanation is". You might be wrong, you know. Only God is infallable. And pope, ofcourse And since you are nor God nor pope, I'd say you shouldn't make statements like that.

[dijxtra]

Also I wasn't aware Jeebus authored the Bible.

Sure he did. Man, that's ABCs! Bible is God's word, and Jesus is God, so it's Jesus' word. Which is funny since Jesus managed to get his own life written down in 4 contradictory narratives, but hey, it's not like Bible is infallable. Or it is. I forgot who is right: pope or Billy Graham.

[Haggis_McMutton]

You just reminded me of ""Keep your Jesus off my penis!"

Its getting real nasty & ugly in here but u know what, u r still ok & alive after saying what u said because of the grace of God. So one day if u do repent for ur sins, u will be filled with tears for what u said. If not, death comes to u anyways..God's laughing back at u since all u can do is that & ur reward has been served while u r alive..U have no power & no strength over God, nor will u ever if God forbid u do end up in Hell for eternity.

Hmm interesting hypothesis.

Yes that seems like the only reasonable solution, God, who made me knowing I'd become an atheist is not killing me for being an atheist cause he's very kind, however he will be laughing at me while I spend eternity in hell because of being the way he created me(I'm assuming he's laughing WITH me, otherwise it wouldn't be very kind).

Yes, solid hypothesis.

[Neoteny]

You just reminded me of ""Keep your Jesus off my penis!"

Its getting real nasty & ugly in here but u know what, u r still ok & alive after saying what u said because of the grace of God. So one day if u do repent for ur sins, u will be filled with tears for what u said. If not, death comes to u anyways..God's laughing back at u since all u can do is that & ur reward has been served while u r alive..U have no power & no strength over God, nor will u ever if God forbid u do end up in Hell for eternity.

Spooky.

[Aradhus]

Does Yahweh really love fucking small children?? Word on the street is "yah, way!"

God loves his children, yeah!

Its getting real nasty & ugly in here but u know what, u r still ok & alive after saying what u said because of the grace of God. So one day if u do repent for ur sins, u will be filled with tears for what u said. If not, death comes to u anyways..God's laughing back at u since all u can do is that & ur reward has been served while u r alive..U have no power & no strength over God, nor will u ever if God forbid u do end up in Hell for eternity.

Oh baby, you keep talking dirty like that, k?

[Juan_Bottom]

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The Book of Numbers

31:13 And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
31:14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
(31:14-18)
"Have ye saved all the women alive?"
31:15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
31:16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
(31:17-18)"Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

What the Bible says about Pedophilia

31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Whats really messed up in current day science is the acceptance of the Evolution theory as a fact. Since none of the Evolution theories can be tested or proved in a lab setting..Have u ever seen a monkey turn into an ape & then a human or any animal turn into another? And why are monkeys & apes still there if we have evolved from them? It takes faith to believe in Evolution Science since its not provable or a fact. That's what I was referring to if u were slow to catch up.

Young in my faith..lol..proselytizing on an anonymous forum..lol..u come up with stuff that have no significance whatsoever with our discussion..attacking me is not going to get u anywhere.. My suggestion to u is read Jesus Christ's 'The Holy Bible' & leave the rest of the books u suggested for camp fire..

You completely just betrayed your ignorance of science and all other books.

If it was hard for u to understand the implicit meaning of my statement which is pretty much common sense, then its no surprise u think the Holy Bible is flawed & incorrect..Just as much the Holy Bible is the actual Word of God with no flaws, so are u & ur other books u read with a lot of flaws..How can an imperfect human granted with some intelligence & a limited lifespan understand the eternal & perfect Word of God or God Himself? Only by His grace & wisdom I was able to accept & comprehend the Truth..the same also applies to u..God only knows when u will or will not accept Him but my prayers do go out for u..

I'm just gonna copy paste an argument that I'm having on another board.

No Flaws;
What I don't believe in is magic, or that the Bible is irrefutable. The Bible is riddled with HUGE gaping holes. I'll name a few examples that are from different angles.
A.N. Wilson, who wrote the biography of Jesus called attention to a couple of mistranslations in the Bible. First there was a mistranslation in Isiah's Hebrew word for a "young woman" into the Greek word for "virgin." This mistranslation means that the Bible should read that Mary was a young woman but instead it reads that she was a virgin. A second mistranslation was from the Aramaic word "NAGGER" into the Greek word for CARPENTER. The story of Joseph should say that he was a "learned man," not a Carpenter.

Micah 5: 2 had lead Jews to believe the Christ would be born in Bethlehem. John's gospels specifically says how surprised everyone was that Jesus was not born in Bethlehem!!!
But in spite of this Matthew and Luke both must have decided that Jesus had to be born in Bethlehem, yet they don't agree on how it happened. Matthew claims that Joseph and Mary lived in Nazareth before Jesus was born.
Luke on the third hand believes that Joseph was required by a census imposed by Caesar Augustus and Cyrenius (governor of Syria) to 'go to his own city.' Because Joseph was 'of the house and lineage of David' he was required to go to the 'city of David, which is called Bethlehem.' Luke believes that this is when Jesus was born. This doesn't make any sense because if David did exist, he lived almost a thousand years BEFORE Joseph was born. Why would the Roman emperor require Joseph to go to the city of an extremely remote ancestor? Can you even trace your family back a thousand years? Furthermore, historians all agree that there was actually a census conducted under Cyrenius. But it was only a local one. And it happened in AD 6.
Three people, all factually incorrect, and all disagree on the birthplace and reason. All from the Bible.
Everything from the Christmas story was taken from other religions that already existed in the Mediterranean. Actually, a lot of Jesus's story was taken from other religious. Robert Gillooly wrote a nice book that explains the true origins. The epistles of Paul also fail to mention most of the Bibles version of Jesus's life. Much of it was a fabrication.

The story of "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" is a complete forgery. A monk added it to the Bible; Jesus never said it.

The same story is afforded to having happened to two separate people; Genesis 19: 31-6 and Judges 19: 23-4. They also say a lot about what your religion thinks about women (Judges 25-6 & Judges 19: 29). I mean, there are a lot of stories in the Bible about what mean really thought of women. From Moses ordering his men to keep and rape virgin children (Numbers 31: 18) to Abraham sending his wife to the Pharaoh (Genesis 12: 18-19 & later again in Genises 20: 2-5) to God ordering Jephthah to burn his daughter (Judges chapter 11). But I'm getting off my point - sorta.

Anyway I could go on and on. There's just a wealth of information to refute your assertion online. I could also name a few more books for you to read too. The Bible is the last book that you want to read for historical accuracy. And besides this, my overall message here is that there is no reason for you to believe in God. The book you are basing your beliefs on is largely a forgery.

Flaw is simple logic (free will):

You also touched upon the idea of "Free Will" (it's your choice). Free Will and a literal interpretation of the Bible are completely incompatible. Here's why:

- Can an omnipresent God have the omnipotence to change his mind?

- God made Eve directly; he shaped her brain, and her consciousness. But he also knows the future - so he knew with every change that he made exactly how should would behave in the future. Therefor he made the decision for her that she would steal the fruit. And yet he still punished her for it. Why? Why would a God who loves punish his creations for doing what he made them do? This idea of knowing what the future of his creations continue onto us. Mankind can't have free will as a consequence.

a) This also condemned future generations of women to be satirized as "wicked," "unintelligent," and "weak." Why would he do that? (That's not even to mention how God's decision to kill himself on the cross condemned the future of the Jews as Christ killers. You can ponder how loving of a decision that was on your own. Jesus's death helped to directly bring Adolf Hitler's schemes to fruition.)

b) He condemned innocent people with "original sin" for Eve doing what he made her do? Then he killed himself because Eve did what he made her do and he wanted to use the excuse to play the hero?

-Why make the Devil at all?

- God was surprised that Eve took the fruit. Why would he act surprised if he knew that she took it? Unless he lied.... which opens up a whole other can of worms...

- God knows the future... he can't know it if it isn't inevitable. So we have no control of the future.

- The Bible explains the end of days. It can't know that if the future isn't set. So we have no control of our future.


You talked a lot about how you know that God loves you just because you believe it. But it's a love with conditions. It's not the perfect love that you want to imprint upon me. Why are you so willing to accept the idea that God's one special rule is that you have to believe in him even if he offers you no reason to?


Or, do you other GHers want this one for yourself or should I just ignore him or wha?

[Army of GOD]

Juan, stop with this long post shit. I can't be arsed to read that.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Juan, stop with this long post shit. I can't be arsed to read that.

ts;dr.

[Juan_Bottom]

Well I didn't post it for you. Here, this is for you.

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[Army of GOD]

Well I didn't post it for you. Here, this is for you.

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[Lionz]

Juan,

Does Ezra back up Numbers 31:18 referring to taking females for sex? See an English version of 10:2 here?

http://yahushua.net/scriptures/ezra10.htm

There might not be a word of Biblical Hebrew that always means virgin woman. If H0226 appears in Isaiah 7:14, is it meant or not meant to refer to a miraculous sign?

What does it matter if some people wrongly translated something into carpenter or not? Is there someone claiming there is Old Testament prophecy referring to a carpenter?

Does John 7:42 say that Yahushua was not born in Bethlehem? He might have lived in Galilee and been known for there and yet been born in Bethlehem.

Is there any order for Jephthah to burn anyone in Judges 11? Maybe we should be careful what we claim.

How much more should I really say? How about everyone look into claims for themselves and be careful what you believe?

And who knows how much Yah knows and how long He's known everything if He knows everything?

[Juan_Bottom]

What does it matter if some people wrongly translated something into carpenter or not? Is there someone claiming there is Old Testament prophecy referring to a carpenter?

It doesn't matter at all to me, as I don't take the Bible literally. I might take it as parable or inspiring, but never as literal fact. My post was to show that the Bible does have fallacies and mistakes in it. And to show that you can't take it literally. So it doesn't detract from the Bible, for me, to know the mis-translations.

Does Ezra back up Numbers 31:18 referring to taking females for sex? See an English version of 10:2 here?

Is this a later answer for Moses telling his men to take these girls? Was this to be his punishment? I'm not familiar with this story so i think I'd better ask than make assumptions and look dumb.

Does John 7:42 say that Yahushua was not born in Bethlehem? He might have lived in Galilee and been known for there and yet been born in Bethlehem.

Well, the point of it all was that there is no agreement of where Jesus was born or how he got there. The Authors knew that the Christ was supposed to be born in Bethlehem, so they all tried to make the story make sense. It's just another reason to not take the Bible as literal fact.

Is there any order for Jephthah to burn anyone in Judges 11? Maybe we should be careful what we claim.

I see it more as a sick joke, and an order that couldn't be over turned. What I don't know though, is how theologians view this story today (parable, fact, test, ect). Anything that you have that could shed light on that I would actually fully appreciate.

[krchada]

The Book of Numbers
What the Bible says about Pedophilia
31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Ok pervert, the context of that scripture was to not kill the women or girls who were virgins & also the little children of the Midianites, who were evil people of that time & enemies of Israel. So, stop taking scriptures out of context & start justifying ur nastiness & filth in ur head.

I'm just gonna copy paste an argument that I'm having on another board.........xxxxxx.
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You talked a lot about how you know that God loves you just because you believe it. But it's a love with conditions. It's not the perfect love that you want to imprint upon me. Why are you so willing to accept the idea that God's one special rule is that you have to believe in him even if he offers you no reason to?
Or, do you other GHers want this one for yourself or should I just ignore him or wha?

Copying & pasting is too easy..Again that would put ur argument out of context. I have answered already to most of those comments of urs as well in other posts..I am not going to copy paste them for u though..It makes it too big a post like urs & response to a bunch of jargon & lies u made up too..

[krchada]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......a bunch of religious fanatics spreading their bullshit on an online forum....wow. Go f*ck yourselves...nobody wants to read this shit.

And by the way, your statements that "God is laughing back at you" and that "The only reason you are alive after saying such a thing is through God's grace..." are complete and total bull shit. Take your holier-than-thou attitude and shove it up your ass. Bunch of retards believing in fairy tales.

And so says the anti-religious or dirty language fanatic. I never once said I was holy, don't read into it, all I said was God is holy & none of us have a right to call Him names..and yes He would be laughing back since u cant touch Him even with all ur name calling..plus ur mortal self is still breathing, aren't u? So, of course He is showing grace towards u..Get it now..And ur attitude along with ur profile pic stinks..

[krchada]

Does Yahweh really love fucking small children?? Word on the street is "yah, way!"

God loves his children, yeah!

Its getting real nasty & ugly in here but u know what, u r still ok & alive after saying what u said because of the grace of God. So one day if u do repent for ur sins, u will be filled with tears for what u said. If not, death comes to u anyways..God's laughing back at u since all u can do is that & ur reward has been served while u r alive..U have no power & no strength over God, nor will u ever if God forbid u do end up in Hell for eternity.

Oh baby, you keep talking dirty like that, k?

I didn't know u were a homosexual pervert on top of all that. Go find ur self someone else u fagot..

[krchada]

You just reminded me of ""Keep your Jesus off my penis!"

Its getting real nasty & ugly in here but u know what, u r still ok & alive after saying what u said because of the grace of God. So one day if u do repent for ur sins, u will be filled with tears for what u said. If not, death comes to u anyways..God's laughing back at u since all u can do is that & ur reward has been served while u r alive..U have no power & no strength over God, nor will u ever if God forbid u do end up in Hell for eternity.

Spooky.

So is ur profile pic & ur attitude towards God..The Devil & Hell is also spooky by the way..

[krchada]

That is one explanation why he is still alive, yes. Let me propose some others:
a) God believes in free speech,
b) God is not a 9-year-old girl which will get terribly insulted by childish remarks,
c) God doesn't care,
d) God does not exist.
You see, that is continuation of my previous point: you shouldn't start sentences with "the only reason is"/"the only explanation is". You might be wrong, you know. Only God is infallable. And pope, ofcourse And since you are nor God nor pope, I'd say you shouldn't make statements like that.

If God does not exist according to one of ur reasons, why even have a discussion on Him..LOL..Oh by the way, just in case u r thinking we r invincible or immortal, news flash: we all have to die one day..and we will all be held accountable for all our sins..except of course we accepted the grace of Jesus Christ & our sins were forgiven..So just cause God let em live for all the nastiness & crap they talk about Him for whatever reason, it doesn't mean God forgets or doesn't keep track of all that, unless of course they repent over these dreadful sins of theirs & receive His forgiveness. And Thank God I ain't catholic or a pope..and I don't think pope is infallible since he is human & mortal just like all of us.

[krchada]

Also I wasn't aware Jeebus authored the Bible.

Sure he did. Man, that's ABCs! Bible is God's word, and Jesus is God, so it's Jesus' word. Which is funny since Jesus managed to get his own life written down in 4 contradictory narratives, but hey, it's not like Bible is infallable. Or it is. I forgot who is right: pope or Billy Graham.

He didn't say Jesus, he said Jeebus since u responded so enthusiastically ..U r right to start with about Jesus being God & Bible is Jesus/God's Word but no, none of the gospels contradict themselves..they have different perceptions from four different people & most of it goes hand in hand with the message of God.. God used variety in addressing His message, yet didn't change the gist or the meaning of the ultimate message.. The entire Bible if read contextually has a common message, never does it sound contradictory unless of course u want it to sound so..lol..My pick is Bill Graham over pope anytime..

[krchada]

Hmm interesting hypothesis.

Yes that seems like the only reasonable solution, God, who made me knowing I'd become an atheist is not killing me for being an atheist cause he's very kind, however he will be laughing at me while I spend eternity in hell because of being the way he created me(I'm assuming he's laughing WITH me, otherwise it wouldn't be very kind).

Yes, solid hypothesis.

U chose to be an atheist, God didn't make u one..just like I chose to be believer. The option to be either or is there for both of us. And besides, a true atheist doesn't even have discussions on God cause he doesn't believe in a God..Why have discussions on something that doesn't exist according to u.. ..U r more of an agnostic or a God-hater than an atheist..Grow up & catch up with reality around u is my prayer to u..before its too late & u pass away from this life..

[Haggis_McMutton]

Hmm interesting hypothesis.

Yes that seems like the only reasonable solution, God, who made me knowing I'd become an atheist is not killing me for being an atheist cause he's very kind, however he will be laughing at me while I spend eternity in hell because of being the way he created me(I'm assuming he's laughing WITH me, otherwise it wouldn't be very kind).

Yes, solid hypothesis.

U chose to be an atheist, God didn't make u one..just like I chose to be believer. The option to be either or is there for both of us. And besides, a true atheist doesn't even have discussions on God cause he doesn't believe in a God..Why have discussions on something that doesn't exist according to u.. ..U r more of an agnostic or a God-hater than an atheist..Grow up & catch up with reality around u is my prayer to u..before its too late & u pass away from this life..

You really are an endless source of amusement.

Hehehe, telling me to catch up with reality. Coming from the dude that believes in talking snakes, in immaculate births, in magic superpowers and in a man taking two of every animal on a big boat, just to mention a few.

I'm sorry that you are so feble minded in that you need to shut down all logical thinking in this area of your life just so you can maintain the childish belief that you will never die and that you have all the answers. I know it's not easy to come to terms with your own mortality and finiteness, most of us manage to do it when we're 12 or so, but I guess you really really need the security blanket of the sky daddy (tm).

Did god not know I would be an atheist? Was he not capable of changing that fact? A kid can see that omniscience cannot coexist with free will, but then again, you still have the mind of a pre-teen so I'm not really expecting you to comprehend that.

[natty dread]

I wrote about this once, how free will and omniscience can't coexist.

If an omniscient being exist, then that omniscient being knows everything that has ever happened and everything that is going to happen to everything. In order for any being to know that, there must be a pre-determined future, and poof, there goes free will.

[macbone]

krchada, you know that two of the books mentioned by nishiyoshi on the first page are Christian classics, right? I'll leave it up to you to figure out which ones are which, but I highly recommend reading all three. =) (Your friendly neighborhood library or big chain book retailer probably has 'em all.)

[krchada]

You really are an endless source of amusement.
Hehehe, telling me to catch up with reality. Coming from the dude that believes in talking snakes, in immaculate births, in magic superpowers and in a man taking two of every animal on a big boat, just to mention a few.
I'm sorry that you are so feble minded in that you need to shut down all logical thinking in this area of your life just so you can maintain the childish belief that you will never die and that you have all the answers. I know it's not easy to come to terms with your own mortality and finiteness, most of us manage to do it when we're 12 or so, but I guess you really really need the security blanket of the sky daddy (tm).
Did god not know I would be an atheist? Was he not capable of changing that fact? A kid can see that omniscience cannot coexist with free will, but then again, you still have the mind of a pre-teen so I'm not really expecting you to comprehend that.

Test of intelligence for u: What is the spelling of Feeble? Is it logical to know that..LOL..Child like faith is needed even to believe in a completely bogus theory of Evolution..lol..I have come to terms with my mortality & finiteness..that's precisely why I started believing in the immortal God & creator of this entire Universe..I rely on His strength & power, not mine..I trust Him & believe He created me..not here by chance..So having no security of God puts u in a better position right..lol..nope..just a hopeless position..
Omniscience can exist with free will just like Good can exist with bad..A kid can also comprehend that..just cause u ain't one of those kids doesn't mean u go hating the others..LOL..