Matrix mafia Day 3 - no-one died? [Abandoned]

[Commander9]

Something about this post sounds scummy.
FOS Commander

Good scene aage. GG squirrel.

Does any else think that she could be smart enough to be playing the role of lyncher while, in truth, she's actually Agent Smith or agents?

[edocsil]

Something about this post sounds scummy.
FOS Commander

Good scene aage. GG squirrel.

Does any else think that she could be smart enough to be playing the role of lyncher while, in truth, she's actually Agent Smith or agents?

In a word, No. She simply isn't subtle enough.

[strike wolf]

I think this is solid. Particularly the way he stated that he didn't know what to make of the claim when it should have been a fairly obvious Oracle quote (if you've seen the movies at all even if you don't know the exact words you should have remembered that was how the Oracle talked). Other than that I think it would be beneficial to look at the vote counts particularly those on the Sax wagon AFTER he claimed...and the ones on the Sati wagon.

Votecount

1. Tailgunner
2. Edoc 1 ( Freezie)
3. VioIet 1 (saxlad)
4. Haggis
5. Freezie
6. Strike Wolf
7. TheSaxlad 3 (Edoc'sil, strike wolf, Fircoal, haggis, /, safari)
8. Commander9 1 (vioIet (no they don't stack))
9. 00iCon
10. Flow520
11. xuereb (Tails)
12. /
13. Chu
14. Flores

(also looking back either Aage miscounted or edoc has double voting potential...)

Votecount

1. Tailgunner
2. Edoc 7 (Freezie(=Mr. Squirrel), Flow, xuereb, Saxlad, commander, strike, haggis)
3. VioIet
4. Haggis
5. Mr. Squirrel
6. Strike Wolf
7. TheSaxlad 3 (Fircoal)
8. Commander9 1 (vioIet)
9. 00iCon
10. Flow520
11. xuereb 1 (Tails)
12. /
13. Chu
14. Safariguy5

No Lynch And The Boring End Of An Overall Not Too Boring Day 1 (Safariguy)

14 alive, 8 to lynch.
Edoc'sil is at L-1.

Deadline tomorrow. Probably late afternoon / evening.

really! You couldn't have voted for Sax then? honestly ppl. it's a shame for your day one votes to go to waste.
aage if you please:

Uhoh, this sounds bad.

It's not that bad.


1. Tailgunner
2. Edoc 5 ( Freezie, 00iCon, strike wolf)
3. VioIet 1 saxlad,
4. Haggis
5. Freezie
6. Strike Wolf
7. TheSaxlad 1 ()
8. Commander9 1 (vioIet (no they don't stack))
9. 00iCon 7 (edoc, Chu, xuereb, tails, /, Saxlad, Haggis)
10. Flow520
11. xuereb
12. / 1 ()
13. Chu
14. Flores

These are probably the most important vote counts (edoc at it's largest, sax at his largest, and icon's when he was lynched though I think there's some mistake with the votes on the last one...) Beyond this I need to reread before I can make a decent argument out of it though Haggis was involved in each one of these.

I don't think Lyncher makes a good fake role for Agent Smith to play...I'd keep my eye on her but really it makes you look more worried about someone pressing for your lynch rather than her trying to play us.

[Commander9]

I don't think Lyncher makes a good fake role for Agent Smith to play...I'd keep my eye on her but really it makes you look more worried about someone pressing for your lynch rather than her trying to play us.

That's exactly what I'm trying to say - one can easily slip under the radar and be thoroughly ignored. As far as worries go, I have none - I've proven my alignment through my actions.

[aage]

I think we need to replace xuereb.

I will prod him, though I have no idea whether he is around or not.

[strike wolf]

I've seen him on the forum at least daily but don't think he's posted much.

[aage]

I've seen him on the forum at least daily but don't think he's posted much.

His profile says he is. So I walled him.

[TheSaxlad]

Ok, here goes nothing.

VOTE HAGGIS

My reasoning, primarily bandwagoning when it was particularly easy to do so without rousing suspicion and then trying to kill claimed town power roles.

His reason for being on the Icon wagon was this;

Wait,wait,wait. There's something very odd going on here.

1.Sax makes that ridiculous post defending icon(seriously, not only did it make no sense at all, but has anyone ever seen Sax making a post that big?)
2. icon comes up with a obscure claim(I had to google "Sati matrix", she doesn't even have a wiki page)
3.Now comes the really weird bit:

I don't understand the bulletproof bit. The character is a bit obscure but not too so. It would make a good fake claim to be handed to the mafia. That being said the character could plausibly be in the game. I just don't like the bulletproof bit. Are there any conditions to it? It would make more sense if there was.

I imagine that if seraph was to die innocent child would die as well, as she came under the protection of the oracle.

I believe he is assuming that the town will win. That being said I will unvote. If you bulletproofness is linked to the Seraph your role becomes far more plausible. And no I am not the Seraph, but it just fits better then a bulletproof child.

Here's how i read this exchange:
edoc:"Ok, not a bad fakeclaim, but you need to add more flavour. Give us something about the bulletproofness"
sax:" Oh, I've got it, how about blablabla"
edoc:"good enough, ok guys let's move on, unvote"

This just doesn't smell good at all. Sorry, but the obscure role + this very weird exchange = vote icon

To me it seems like there isn't much in there, I was doing my usual rolefishing and he votes for Icon, the one totally not speaking in the quote, after Icons claim. Fishy, Sati was an important enough character to be included (especially if you consider the symbolism of her character) and the the role fit the character well. No reason to lynch here now.

Then once Sax claims with that stupid cookie thing Haggis says;

Hmm, not sure what to make of that claim.
Anyway, there's really no downside as far as I can see to testing it.

vote Sax

At this point we had no idea how insane Sax's role was, which was pretty much the whole reason the wagon continued so long after his full claim, and he tried to get the Oracle, a role guarantied to be in a Matrix mafia, killed. That no good. He later goes on to argue for his lynch (agreeing with me, an argument I was nearly killed for) after the claim, not necessarily in the towns interest.

Then once flow asks for some help forcing me to claim says;

Got to admit I haven't been able to read the last few pages properly, just skimmed them(was away for the weekend).
But with the deadline and all I'll say that a lynch is almost always better than a no lynch.
vote edoc.

I'll try to read this more thoroughly by tomorrow.

Just following the lead of the crowd, not adding anything and keeping his head down to avoid attention. His posts count were a bit low early in the game, not so much later on. Basically I think he has been playing the ideal scum, staying active, not pissing anyone off, playing it safe.

On another note I would really like to hear what Sax's investigation returned.

Ok I investugated Commander9 and Got nothing.
absolutely zilch.

Remember we cannot see past a choice we do not understand.

I think Commander is an Agent. Whether he is Smith or not is to be decided, but I think he is an agent.
Of course I could have been roleblocked by the scum, however I believe I would have got nothing.

We all berated VioIet but I am of the resolution now that vi is town and commander mafia.

in that respect vote commander

Plus In his most recent post he "loses interest" and can't be bothered. Now does that sound like a town willing to help out the mafia. Or someone who has decided to sit back and not be found.

also FOS Haggis, I said In the last day I thought he was scum and I still do. But Commander to me is more scummy than haggis.

[strike wolf]

So you got no result no reason for you not getting a result...odd but hmm...Commander was acting a bit scummy yesterday...I can't remember what exactly came of it...but I do remember him being pressured about it at least a little bit.

[edocsil]

Come on boys, Commander is fucking Neo. Obviously I m not 100% on this, but how many characters would be told not to trust me? Also, the Oracle understands Smith, he is just a program. She correctly predicts many of his actions in the movies. Neo, the One is the enigma, the one she cannot understand. Honestly I cannot understand why a investigation was spent on him, I could think of several better targets, and I also had him pegged for one of the big three, Neo, Morpheus, or Trinity before the night, and this investigation only makes me more confident of my conclusion.

In the chance that I am wrong I really hope the real deal speaks up now.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Come on boys, Commander is fucking Neo. Obviously I m not 100% on this, but how many characters would be told not to trust me? Also, the Oracle understands Smith, he is just a program. She correctly predicts many of his actions in the movies. Neo, the One is the enigma, the one she cannot understand. Honestly I cannot understand why a investigation was spent on him, I could think of several better targets, and I also had him pegged for one of the big three, Neo, Morpheus, or Trinity before the night, and this investigation only makes me more confident of my conclusion.

In the chance that I am wrong I really hope the real deal speaks up now.

Woah, woah, woah. You want to out Neo on D2 for bullshit reasons? Seriously?

I don't have time to adress the case on me right now, I will later but I had to post this.
For f*ck's sake, no one needs to reveal their role right now, especially not Neo.

[edocsil]

Come on boys, Commander is fucking Neo. Obviously I m not 100% on this, but how many characters would be told not to trust me? Also, the Oracle understands Smith, he is just a program. She correctly predicts many of his actions in the movies. Neo, the One is the enigma, the one she cannot understand. Honestly I cannot understand why a investigation was spent on him, I could think of several better targets, and I also had him pegged for one of the big three, Neo, Morpheus, or Trinity before the night, and this investigation only makes me more confident of my conclusion.

In the chance that I am wrong I really hope the real deal speaks up now.

Woah, woah, woah. You want to out Neo on D2 for bullshit reasons? Seriously?

I don't have time to adress the case on me right now, I will later but I had to post this.
For f*ck's sake, no one needs to reveal their role right now, especially not Neo.

Why the f*ck not? He can't be recruited. I would rather him claim then us oust possibly recruitable programs.

[safariguy5]

Speaking of which, it doesn't seem like Sax got recruited by Smith. Odd, did we have Smith pegged wrong as a recruiter?

[strike wolf]

Speaking of which, it doesn't seem like Sax got recruited by Smith. Odd, did we have Smith pegged wrong as a recruiter?

Well there shouldn't be any hints about it and maybe his recruitment is the reason he claimed to have wound up with such an odd role in which case Neo should not claim unless it's absolutely necessary as any unrecruitable ability Neo had may be lost.

I have to say Edoc's organization bugs me as it seems unusually organized for a group of survivors.

[edocsil]

Speaking of which, it doesn't seem like Sax got recruited by Smith. Odd, did we have Smith pegged wrong as a recruiter?

Well there shouldn't be any hints about it and maybe his recruitment is the reason he claimed to have wound up with such an odd role in which case Neo should not claim unless it's absolutely necessary as any unrecruitable ability Neo had may be lost.

I have to say Edoc's organization bugs me as it seems unusually organized for a group of survivors.

Sorry, do you mind elaborating a bit? I fail to see how were are organized, I didn't even know who the others were until late yesterday.

[strike wolf]

Speaking of which, it doesn't seem like Sax got recruited by Smith. Odd, did we have Smith pegged wrong as a recruiter?

Well there shouldn't be any hints about it and maybe his recruitment is the reason he claimed to have wound up with such an odd role in which case Neo should not claim unless it's absolutely necessary as any unrecruitable ability Neo had may be lost.

I have to say Edoc's organization bugs me as it seems unusually organized for a group of survivors.

Sorry, do you mind elaborating a bit? I fail to see how were are organized, I didn't even know who the others were until late yesterday.

Ok explain that part to me how was it that you figured it out midday? Really it's just that I've never seen a party of 3 survivors with apparent abilities.

[edocsil]

Speaking of which, it doesn't seem like Sax got recruited by Smith. Odd, did we have Smith pegged wrong as a recruiter?

Well there shouldn't be any hints about it and maybe his recruitment is the reason he claimed to have wound up with such an odd role in which case Neo should not claim unless it's absolutely necessary as any unrecruitable ability Neo had may be lost.

I have to say Edoc's organization bugs me as it seems unusually organized for a group of survivors.

Sorry, do you mind elaborating a bit? I fail to see how were are organized, I didn't even know who the others were until late yesterday.

Ok explain that part to me how was it that you figured it out midday? Really it's just that I've never seen a party of 3 survivors with apparent abilities.

I was told the Fir and one other were the trainman and the twins, not which was which. I was told I was bulletproof as long as the twins were alive. I have said this before. When fir tried to lynch me I made a educated guess that he wasn't my bodyguard.

[strike wolf]

Speaking of which, it doesn't seem like Sax got recruited by Smith. Odd, did we have Smith pegged wrong as a recruiter?

Well there shouldn't be any hints about it and maybe his recruitment is the reason he claimed to have wound up with such an odd role in which case Neo should not claim unless it's absolutely necessary as any unrecruitable ability Neo had may be lost.

I have to say Edoc's organization bugs me as it seems unusually organized for a group of survivors.

Sorry, do you mind elaborating a bit? I fail to see how were are organized, I didn't even know who the others were until late yesterday.

Ok explain that part to me how was it that you figured it out midday? Really it's just that I've never seen a party of 3 survivors with apparent abilities.

I was told the Fir and one other were the trainman and the twins, not which was which. I was told I was bulletproof as long as the twins were alive. I have said this before. When fir tried to lynch me I made a educated guess that he wasn't my bodyguard.

So you knew you were aligned but not who was who. This sounds a bit contrived to me. The frenchman was no friend of Neo or the other town roles and we seem to be absent a mafia kill from last night (we had a lone agent. Smells heavily of sk) and it was brought up that you might skip your night action so you wouldn't be tracked.

[edocsil]

So you knew you were aligned but not who was who. This sounds a bit contrived to me. The frenchman was no friend of Neo or the other town roles and we seem to be absent a mafia kill from last night (we had a lone agent. Smells heavily of sk) and it was brought up that you might skip your night action so you wouldn't be tracked.

Tell me this, does it look like I have a kill? Do you think I am a cult? If there are unexplained kills floating around that aren't agent kills bring this up then. Until then there is no case against me, yesterday proved that.

We are on the same team here, dead scum increase my own chances of survival, while dead survivors do nothing to help yours, no mater what side you are on.

[safariguy5]

Ok, I think we need to start with the lists of people who are claiming roles that clear them. I'll give it a first crack and let people add and correct as needed.

1. Saxland-Oracle
2. Flow-Seraph
3. edocsil-Merovingen
4. Chu-Trainman
5. ???-Twins

It's a pretty powerful list given the characters listed.

[strike wolf]

Ok, I think we need to start with the lists of people who are claiming roles that clear them. I'll give it a first crack and let people add and correct as needed.

1. Saxland-Oracle
2. edocsil-Merovingen
3. Chu-Trainman
4. ???-Twins

It's a pretty powerful list given the characters listed.

Flow never claimed Seraph, in fact if anything I seem to remember Flow making an effort to deny it.

[Commander9]

First of all: Sax - I thought that you'd have been able to read the what happened yesterday, but you weren't able. Oh, the irony.

Come on boys, Commander is fucking Neo. Obviously I m not 100% on this, but how many characters would be told not to trust me? Also, the Oracle understands Smith, he is just a program. She correctly predicts many of his actions in the movies. Neo, the One is the enigma, the one she cannot understand. Honestly I cannot understand why a investigation was spent on him, I could think of several better targets, and I also had him pegged for one of the big three, Neo, Morpheus, or Trinity before the night, and this investigation only makes me more confident of my conclusion.

In the chance that I am wrong I really hope the real deal speaks up now.

Less speculation and more scum hunting - we don't need anyone to claim without a reason.

Well there shouldn't be any hints about it and maybe his recruitment is the reason he claimed to have wound up with such an odd role in which case Neo should not claim unless it's absolutely necessary as any unrecruitable ability Neo had may be lost.

I have to say Edoc's organization bugs me as it seems unusually organized for a group of survivors.

I've already pointed this out @ Day 1. We all know Edoc is good enough to talk himself out of almost anything and I think that this is exactly what happened.

Tell me this, does it look like I have a kill? Do you think I am a cult? If there are unexplained kills floating around that aren't agent kills bring this up then. Until then there is no case against me, yesterday proved that.

We are on the same team here, dead scum increase my own chances of survival, while dead survivors do nothing to help yours, no mater what side you are on.

He never said that you were cult, but a possible Mafia GF? I don't see any reasons why you would not be one.

[edocsil]

First of all: Sax - I thought that you'd have been able to read the what happened yesterday, but you weren't able. Oh, the irony.

Come on boys, Commander is fucking Neo. Obviously I m not 100% on this, but how many characters would be told not to trust me? Also, the Oracle understands Smith, he is just a program. She correctly predicts many of his actions in the movies. Neo, the One is the enigma, the one she cannot understand. Honestly I cannot understand why a investigation was spent on him, I could think of several better targets, and I also had him pegged for one of the big three, Neo, Morpheus, or Trinity before the night, and this investigation only makes me more confident of my conclusion.

In the chance that I am wrong I really hope the real deal speaks up now.

Less speculation and more scum hunting - we don't need anyone to claim without a reason.

Well there shouldn't be any hints about it and maybe his recruitment is the reason he claimed to have wound up with such an odd role in which case Neo should not claim unless it's absolutely necessary as any unrecruitable ability Neo had may be lost.

I have to say Edoc's organization bugs me as it seems unusually organized for a group of survivors.

I've already pointed this out @ Day 1. We all know Edoc is good enough to talk himself out of almost anything and I think that this is exactly what happened.

Tell me this, does it look like I have a kill? Do you think I am a cult? If there are unexplained kills floating around that aren't agent kills bring this up then. Until then there is no case against me, yesterday proved that.

We are on the same team here, dead scum increase my own chances of survival, while dead survivors do nothing to help yours, no mater what side you are on.

He never said that you were cult, but a possible Mafia GF? I don't see any reasons why you would not be one.

RAGE.

That's the whole point I am trying to establish about the lack of a non agent kill. I cannot be a GF without a kill and as of yet there are no kills unaccounted for.

[Commander9]

RAGE.

That's the whole point I am trying to establish about the lack of a non agent kill. I cannot be a GF without a kill and as of yet there are no kills unaccounted for.

Because it was smart not do any this night as you knew you'd be under the lenses.

[edocsil]

RAGE.

That's the whole point I am trying to establish about the lack of a non agent kill. I cannot be a GF without a kill and as of yet there are no kills unaccounted for.

Because it was smart not do any this night as you knew you'd be under the lenses.

All I am saying is leave it till tomorrow. It will become obvious that I am not just sitting here on a kill. I am not the godfather, as I am not a bad guy in the movie.

Agents=bad
Me=neutral

Nothing else makes any sense for the Merovingian, that is his defining factor, a survivor.