Matrix mafia Day 3 - no-one died? [Abandoned]

[safariguy5]

RAGE.

That's the whole point I am trying to establish about the lack of a non agent kill. I cannot be a GF without a kill and as of yet there are no kills unaccounted for.

Because it was smart not do any this night as you knew you'd be under the lenses.

Right, so if he didn't do anything tonight, then where did the kill come from? I'm not associated with edoc, but I really think we're barking up the wrong tree here. If anything, he's useful in that he's saving us from a couple of investigations used on him and fircoal. That narrows the number of people we need to investigate.

[Commander9]

All I am saying is leave it till tomorrow. It will become obvious that I am not just sitting here on a kill. I am not the godfather, as I am not a bad guy in the movie.

Agents=bad
Me=neutral

Nothing else makes any sense for the Merovingian, that is his defining factor, a survivor.

Well, he DID have a crime syndicate and he definitely wasn't a good guy. I can see him being neutral, but don't see problems with him being evil either.

Right, so if he didn't do anything tonight, then where did the kill come from? I'm not associated with edoc, but I really think we're barking up the wrong tree here. If anything, he's useful in that he's saving us from a couple of investigations used on him and fircoal. That narrows the number of people we need to investigate.

The thing is that we know this kill wasn't his, but that does not mean he doesn't have one. Also, if you would take a notice, my vote is not on him, so that should suggest a thing or two, but that doesn't mean I can't make inquiries on what's happening.

[VioIet]

Well, he DID have a crime syndicate and he definitely wasn't a good guy. I can see him being neutral, but don't see problems with him being evil either.

What is a crime syndicate? I feel like I have missed something here.

The thing is that we know this kill wasn't his, but that does not mean he doesn't have one. Also, if you would take a notice, my vote is not on him, so that should suggest a thing or two, but that doesn't mean I can't make inquiries on what's happening.

This kill thing is pure speculation. I think our time would better be spent trying to figure out who was the one who actually made the kill last night, rather than the one who supposedly maybe, could've/would've/should've had a kill, but maybe/possibly didn't want to use it.

Why are you more concerned with someone who didn't make a kill last night, then the one who actually did?

Commander, I feel as though you are trying to beat a dead wagon/horse by pressuring edoc.
Of course your vote isn't on him, as you know he isn't scum, but you sure are working hard to apply a lot of pressure to him.

I think it would be more useful for you to address some of the issues that sax raised against you, as I feel sax made a very good case. Maybe one of the best posts I've every seen from saxi

Saxi does seem to know the movie quite well, and provided an insightful analysis on Day 1. If there is anyone who is organized this game, its definitely him.

[TheSaxlad]

Ok, This Is whats happening.

Edoc. I dont agree that Commander is Neo. In fact the oracle can see Neo at most points in the film. The Only thing she can't see is the choice he hasnt made. Secondly remember I am also a tracker, and Commander9 left no tracks. None whatsoever. That makes me think he is an agent as they can change randomly from people to people in the matrix as they see fit.

Commander. Is making a concerted effort to lynch edoc, and bw a dead bw. After a role claim The last day which said he was the merovingian. and I believe that. Fair enough he is neutral and in my eyes not that much of a threat to the town, however I still believe that edoc hasnt played all his cards yet, more to come here.

VioIet. Either some kind of lyncher, or in as in the role PM has been told something about the agents, I cannot think who she would be to know about the agents, but she must be a character of some importance.

Oh and one other thing, I forsee that if we pressure Commander into role-telling he will come back witht the Neo claim cause thats the safest for scum. We wont lyncyh Neo but if he's lying he will have to be counter-claimed by the real Neo therefore town losing a major advantage.

We really need to think about our play in this next day, it could shape the game to come.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Secondly remember I am also a tracker, and Commander9 left no tracks. None whatsoever. That makes me think he is an agent as they can change randomly from people to people in the matrix as they see fit.

If Commander is Neo, then that's a moot point. He can fly (and for that matter can manipulate the matrix around him). It's just speculation at this point.

-Tails

[edocsil]

Ok, This Is whats happening.

Edoc. I dont agree that Commander is Neo. In fact the oracle can see Neo at most points in the film. The Only thing she can't see is the choice he hasnt made. Secondly remember I am also a tracker, and Commander9 left no tracks. None whatsoever. That makes me think he is an agent as they can change randomly from people to people in the matrix as they see fit.

Commander. Is making a concerted effort to lynch edoc, and bw a dead bw. After a role claim The last day which said he was the merovingian. and I believe that. Fair enough he is neutral and in my eyes not that much of a threat to the town, however I still believe that edoc hasnt played all his cards yet, more to come here.

VioIet. Either some kind of lyncher, or in as in the role PM has been told something about the agents, I cannot think who she would be to know about the agents, but she must be a character of some importance.

Oh and one other thing, I forsee that if we pressure Commander into role-telling he will come back witht the Neo claim cause thats the safest for scum. We wont lyncyh Neo but if he's lying he will have to be counter-claimed by the real Neo therefore town losing a major advantage.

We really need to think about our play in this next day, it could shape the game to come.

If he claims Neo, someone will CC if he is lying and we will hang him. Easy, next?

[aage]

I dont agree that Commander is Neo. In fact the oracle can see Neo at most points in the film. The Only thing she can't see is the choice he hasnt made. .

Sorry, but I have to interfere in this blasphemy.


Being the one is like being in love. No-one can tell you you're in love. You know it yourself, you can feel it inside you.

This flavour may or may not have anything to do with the game mechanics, but I WILL NOT ALLOW BLASPHEMY.

Cheers. Carry on discussing things

[Commander9]

This kill thing is pure speculation. I think our time would better be spent trying to figure out who was the one who actually made the kill last night, rather than the one who supposedly maybe, could've/would've/should've had a kill, but maybe/possibly didn't want to use it.

Why are you more concerned with someone who didn't make a kill last night, then the one who actually did?

Commander, I feel as though you are trying to beat a dead wagon/horse by pressuring edoc.
Of course your vote isn't on him, as you know he isn't scum, but you sure are working hard to apply a lot of pressure to him.

I think it would be more useful for you to address some of the issues that sax raised against you, as I feel sax made a very good case. Maybe one of the best posts I've every seen from saxi

Saxi does seem to know the movie quite well, and provided an insightful analysis on Day 1. If there is anyone who is organized this game, its definitely him.

Because there's no case? He made an investigation and said his results. Since the results are correct, there's really nothing in there. I'm more worried about a person who would not trust me (or who is making up that fact, because I know that whenever you're not pro-town, you like to make up facts). To claim now would beyond ridiculous and I won't do it. If anyone wants to know who I am, there's more than enough information out there from me.

If Commander is Neo, then that's a moot point. He can fly (and for that matter can manipulate the matrix around him). It's just speculation at this point.

-Tails

No, I have nothing to do with Neo... Seriously, I've left so many clues - just look at my posts and connect them.

[strike wolf]

So sax receiving no results at all is the right result?

[Commander9]

So sax receiving no results at all is the right result?

Yes, I am untraceable.

[strike wolf]

So sax receiving no results at all is the right result?

Yes, I am untraceable.

So you can't be targeted by the Oracle? That seems odd as I don't see why that would be a pro-town role. Usually roles that make you immune to investigations of any kind are anti-town roles.

[strike wolf]

So sax receiving no results at all is the right result?

Yes, I am untraceable.

So you can't be targeted by the Oracle or any other investigative roles? That seems odd as I don't see why that would be a pro-town role. Usually roles that make you immune to investigations of any kind are anti-town roles.

Ebwop.

[Commander9]

So you can't be targeted by the Oracle? That seems odd as I don't see why that would be a pro-town role. Usually roles that make you immune to investigations of any kind are anti-town roles.

Not just by an Oracle - I can't be traced by anyone. I think I can investigated, however. Since I have not played THAT long, I can say that I've only encountered an untraceable role once and that was in Briarsburg. I have no problems in claiming and I'm sure no one would counter claim a major character, but I also don't think it's a good, because I can guarantee I will become a target.

[strike wolf]

So you can't be targeted by the Oracle? That seems odd as I don't see why that would be a pro-town role. Usually roles that make you immune to investigations of any kind are anti-town roles.

Not just by an Oracle - I can't be traced by anyone. I think I can investigated, however. Since I have not played THAT long, I can say that I've only encountered an untraceable role once and that was in Briarsburg. I have no problems in claiming and I'm sure no one would counter claim a major character, but I also don't think it's a good, because I can guarantee I will become a target.

Ah ok you meant untrackable...I should have been able to guess that...still not usually a town sided role but if you were anti town seems odd you would claim this willingly..

[edocsil]

So sax receiving no results at all is the right result?

Yes, I am untraceable.

So you can't be targeted by the Oracle? That seems odd as I don't see why that would be a pro-town role. Usually roles that make you immune to investigations of any kind are anti-town roles.

Yes, I also can't think of anyone else who would be both be included and untraceable. Perhaps Ghost, but that would really throw the axe in who I think is left in the game.

[Commander9]

Ah ok you meant untrackable...I should have been able to guess that...still not usually a town sided role but if you were anti town seems odd you would claim this willingly..

What's the difference? Okay, I'm going to check the PM to see what exactly it says... Okay, the PM itself says that I'm uninvestigatable, so I assume that means that you both can't track me nor can you investigate me. I'd have to ask the mod to be sure, however.

[safariguy5]

Oh crap...I think I know who Commander is, but I agree that him revealing himself would be a huge target for the agents. Suffice to say that I think that we should pursue another person and stop pressuring him.

unvote

[strike wolf]

I hope this will be the last time I have to say this. Unless you feel they are at immediate risk of being lynched DO NOT point to anyone you think is a power role as a power role. It makes about as much sense as wearing a parka in Death Valley during the summer. Power roles have enough trouble keeping themselves from getting lynched, killed or recruited. They don't need people shouting from the rooftops "hey this guy is important".

[strike wolf]

Aage it would be helpful to know who safari replaced. I looked for it on the first paged but it just said his name not who he replaced.

[aage]

Safariguy has replaced Flores.

I'll put a note on it in the first post.

[TheSaxlad]

Oh crap...I think I know who Commander is, but I agree that him revealing himself would be a huge target for the agents. Suffice to say that I think that we should pursue another person and stop pressuring him.

unvote

Either your telling the truth and you have worked it out.

Or your commanders scummate. Casnt figure out which as of yet.

My vote stays.

[strike wolf]

Hmm read through page 14...think I might have a case but I'm hesitant to go forward with it as if I am wrong, id rather not expose them as they could also be an important role...hmm..I'll finish rereading I guess...

[TheSaxlad]

@Strike, If the case is what I think it is you need to go forward with it.

Page 14 and Page 9 are equally important for those who want to figure it out.

[edocsil]

Lets see strikes case and get some opions on the one I made against haggis

[aage]

Xuereb hasn't responded to the wall-prod and he has been modkilled in the Restaurant game, so I want another (another!) replacement for him. I'll ask Mr. Squirrel if he wants to replace again, since his role didn't grant him any information he could use in future reference.