Matrix mafia Day 3 - no-one died? [Abandoned]

[TheSaxlad]

I have a theory that involves you, commander and vi all in equal measure.

im not ready to share yet. I will share on day 3. right now we need to lynch the scummiest among us, which I believe is safari.

Thats the only way we will win this game.

[TheSaxlad]

@commander, safari in my opinion is our best bet. I know vi has been getting at you and you want revenge but were not exactly going to listen to her. now we know she is a lyncher then why listen to her choice of lynch.

[Commander9]

Play nice sax, I have not been lying, at least not in this game, just the SF one.... If you have something to actually call me out on do so, if not cut the shit.

Just because you have not been caught, does not mean you did not. I have no love for the way you played this game and I think you're now trying to talk yourself out of this. Frenchie definitely was strong enough to hold his own faction, but I see him more as a reserved character, who's not good, but lets his thugs to do the job (like an actual godfather probably would do) and while in a way I can understand *you* being a survivor, some parts of seem a bit... artificial, which I do not like.

I have a theory that involves you, commander and vi all in equal measure.

im not ready to share yet. I will share on day 3. right now we need to lynch the scummiest among us, which I believe is safari.

Thats the only way we will win this game.

I agree about lynching the scummiest, but my scummiest does not equal your scummiest, it seems. While I don't really like him, there's no really strong case against him (then again, my case against Vi is probably not that much stronger), but I really dislike the way these 2 certain people played, so I'd rather get one of them than Safari. If he claims he's a JOAT, I assume he has positive powers, so you can track/watch him and we'll see what happens. If nothing happens, we can assume he's lying and then lynch/vig kill him. Thoughts?

[TheSaxlad]

The Thought is a good one, however like lock said in revolutions. " You can only see 5 mins in front of your face. If I were them i'd send every sentinel into the dock now. Saved the dock?, you handed it to them on a silver platter"

Now safari knows if he is going to be investigated it is applicable if he is scum then I will be roleblocked or busdriven.

but your logic about the way of playing is sound. And out of haggis and VioIet I think VioIet is the most likely to be scum out of the two of them.

So unvote vote vioIet

p.s if anyone accuses me of vote changing too often I will have some harsh words to say.

[Commander9]

@commander, safari in my opinion is our best bet. I know vi has been getting at you and you want revenge but were not exactly going to listen to her. now we know she is a lyncher then why listen to her choice of lynch.

Well, I actually doubt she's a lyncher - I think she's trying her best to portray a lyncher, so when someone's doing that, it usually means they are something else. I have some thoughts about the character, but lets wait to what she has to say. However, if Vi turns out scum, I'd definitely rather lynch Edoc than Safari.

Safari has not been at his best behaviour, but I have a couple of reasons to believe what he's saying to be true about his claim, so I'm rather reluctant to lynch him (I'm 85% sure he's being truthful).

[strike wolf]

I have a theory that involves you, commander and vi all in equal measure.

im not ready to share yet. I will share on day 3. right now we need to lynch the scummiest among us, which I believe is safari.

Thats the only way we will win this game.

That's not best for town. You could be cult by tomorrow (if you aren't already) so what we basically leave you be for scum to do what they want with you, in the hope that you are still trustworthy tomorrow? If you have a theory you think is legitimate share it while you can.

[TheSaxlad]

I know. Look it puts commander as the merovingian.
vioiet as persephone
edocsil and fircoal as the twins.

But I havent collected enough evidence to qualify it yet ok.

[edocsil]

I know. Look it puts commander as the merovingian.
vioiet as persephone
edocsil and fircoal as the twins.

But I havent collected enough evidence to qualify it yet ok.

Are you fucking serious? You are basically saying every claimed character besides yourself and Icon are lying, those trying hardest to lynch each other are actually all allied and the cake is a fucking lie. You are the cop, that does not make your half-assed theories any more likely to be correct.

[TheSaxlad]

I know. Look it puts commander as the merovingian.
vioiet as persephone
edocsil and fircoal as the twins.

But I havent collected enough evidence to qualify it yet ok.

Are you fucking serious? You are basically saying every claimed character besides yourself and Icon are lying, those trying hardest to lynch each other are actually all allied and the cake is a fucking lie. You are the cop, that does not make your half-assed theories any more likely to be correct.

No. But Your reaction makes it even more likely. Now remember I rewatched all three films today and look at it from my perspective.

You claimed the Merovingian. At the time a fair enough claim, you also said that fircoal was allied to you but you didnt know any of the others. It would make sense for you to claim that because as a survivor faction if and when I copped you you would come up as a survivor. It also makes sense for you to be the twins because fircoal was the ONLY other person you could quote, and as your twin he would be the only other person it makes sense for you to know.

The other thing that made me wonder is that you said you would only out the rest of your people as they were being lynched. This made me think why not out them, not their abilities, it would make it easier for town to lynch scum and the scum wouldnt know who to choose.

Then in revolutions persephone deliberately betrayed the merovingian as he was with other women pointing the famous line "her lipstick is all over you." "Lipstick i have no leepsitck on my face" "she wasn't kissing your face". It makes sense that persephone would be the one to be the lyncher of the merovingian and then she would become town as she helped the trio.

Then in that case if persephone is the lyncher that makes Commander the merovingian. Its a nice way to stay undercover, also if your telling the truth about fircoal then he is the other twin, and they were hardly nice towards morpheus and trinity were they?

Also this spoke out very much to me.

Play nice sax, I have not been lying, at least not in this game, just the SF one.... If you have something to actually call me out on do so, if not cut the shit.

and then after this

Play nice sax, I have not been lying, at least not in this game, just the SF one.... If you have something to actually call me out on do so, if not cut the shit.

Just because you have not been caught, does not mean you did not. I have no love for the way you played this game and I think you're now trying to talk yourself out of this. Frenchie definitely was strong enough to hold his own faction, but I see him more as a reserved character, who's not good, but lets his thugs to do the job (like an actual godfather probably would do) and while in a way I can understand *you* being a survivor, some parts of seem a bit... artificial, which I do not like.

This to me looks like:

Edoc: Oi Sax stop dishing the shit or im gonna get you.
Commander: Edoc calm down a bit you need to back up or someone is going to suspect you.

Would also be the reason why Commander is want to kill Vi rather than going to the 10 times more scummier option of safari is because he is out for revenge after the keymaker was given by perse to morpheus.

Also cant you see Vi being cast as the pretty lady.

[Commander9]

Damnit, yes, you caught us - I have to say you're probably Sherlock Holmes with your flawless logic and brilliant deduction I bow to your brilliance - you truly are a class above everyone else here *bows*

Also, by any chance you'd mind actually making a case versus Safari and show he's 10x scummier?

[edocsil]

First off, you are letting your opinions of people color what you think their roles are, bad idea.

Second off you are badly misrepresenting several things I have said. When I first was given my role PM I knew I had allies and my roles of my allies, but not who was who. I eventually figured out that Fircoal was not my bodyguard and was the Trainman, leaving the other player to be the Twins.

So Sax, you just watched the movies? You above all should know that the Merovingian primary goal is survival. Most of the conflict between him and Neo is because Neo wants things of the Merovingian's but doesn't want to pay for them.

Remember this scene?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm7yR1bsKq8

Basically the first 3.5 min is Neo kicking my goons asses, but the last 30 sec is what is important. He says, "I have survived your predecessors, and I will survive you." I am one of the oldest programs in the Matrix, he predates the Matrix itself. Survival is what he does.

As far as I know there is no Persephone, and definitely no "pretty lady". The mafia game simply isn't big enough to yet contain the Morpheus, Neo, Trinity, and the Agents while still having characters like Persephone and the "pretty lady".

[TheSaxlad]

First off, you are letting your opinions of people color what you think their roles are, bad idea.

Second off you are badly misrepresenting several things I have said. When I first was given my role PM I knew I had allies and my roles of my allies, but not who was who. I eventually figured out that Fircoal was not my bodyguard and was the Trainman, leaving the other player to be the Twins.

So Sax, you just watched the movies? You above all should know that the Merovingian primary goal is survival. Most of the conflict between him and Neo is because Neo wants things of the Merovingian's but doesn't want to pay for them.

Remember this scene?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm7yR1bsKq8

Basically the first 3.5 min is Neo kicking my goons asses, but the last 30 sec is what is important. He says, "I have survived your predecessors, and I will survive you." I am one of the oldest programs in the Matrix, he predates the Matrix itself. Survival is what he does.

As far as I know there is no Persephone, and definitely no "pretty lady". The mafia game simply isn't big enough to yet contain the Morpheus, Neo, Trinity, and the Agents while still having characters like Persephone and the "pretty lady".

Persephone is the pretty lady. and it is.

[edocsil]

Ah, I thought "pretty lady" was the one leaving the lipstick. Argument still stands for my wife, to minor to be here.

[Commander9]

To be fair, Edoc is right - some of the characters are rather unlikely to appear in the game.

Likely characters:

1. Neo
2. Morpheus
3. Trinity
4. Agent Smith
5. Oracle
6. Seraph
7. Sati
8. Architect
9. Agent Smith
10. Keymaker
11. Agents?
12. Twins
13. Merovingian
14. Merovingian's bodyguard?

Just as I was typing it out, didn't aage say characters are only those who were in Matrix? Correct if I'm wrong, but Niobe never entered matrix!

[TheSaxlad]

So Sax, you just watched the movies? You above all should know that the Merovingian primary goal is survival. Most of the conflict between him and Neo is because Neo wants things of the Merovingian's but doesn't want to pay for them.

And having sex with random women, the reason why persephone goes against him and the reason why she should be contained in the game.

[TheSaxlad]

To be fair, Edoc is right - some of the characters are rather unlikely to appear in the game.

Likely characters:

1. Neo
2. Morpheus
3. Trinity
4. Agent Smith
5. Oracle
6. Seraph
7. Sati
8. Architect
9. Agent Smith
10. Keymaker
11. Agents?
12. Twins
13. Merovingian
14. Merovingian's bodyguard?

Just as I was typing it out, didn't aage say characters are only those who were in Matrix? Correct if I'm wrong, but Niobe never entered matrix!

Your wrong. She went in and saved morpheus during the freeway scene in revolutions. and she was in the scene where they shut down the power so neo could talk to the architect.

but I dont believe it.

[Commander9]

How big do you intend to make it? And will you do the whole trilogy in the one game or one game for each film? I'll call it interested but not yet in.

All three (although less tMatrix and more Reloaded/Revolutions). If you want to know about the roles... think inside the Matrix. This game won't contain characters that are not in the matrix or that do not enter the matrix.
And it'll be as big as you guys want it to be. Depends on the amount of signups.

Yup, I'm right. However, I also looked again and Niobe has actually been Matrix and had done there a lot, so I'm wrong. That means that it's extremely likely that Safari is telling truth after all.

[Commander9]

Well, according to Day 2 scene, there are agents, so this is the updated list.

Likely characters:

1. Neo
2. Morpheus
3. Trinity
4. Agent Smith
5. Oracle
6. Seraph
7. Sati
8. Architect
9. Agent Smith
10. Keymaker
11. Agents
12. Twins
13. Merovingian
14. Merovingian's bodyguard? Niobe? (leaning towards Niobe here, so if that's true, there's probably no bodyguard, which means Edoc is lying)

[edocsil]

The Twins are my bodyguard. Now you see why I dislike some of the claims there is not much space. You are also missing the Trainman, Fircoal. He admitted that. Either Niobe or the Architect doesn't fit IMO, but neither of you have done anything worth lynching over. Again IMO. That's why I pushed for haggis. With another claim or two the fakes are going to become blindingly obvious.

[TheSaxlad]

Have we noticed that Commander,Edocsil, Myself and strike wolf have been the only ones participating in any capacity.

[safariguy5]

Man, I go to sleep and wake up finding 3 pages. Ok, yes, I'm Niobe, and I'm perfectly willing to tracked tonight or investigated. Since I'm going to be using my investigation role, I'm willing to share results if you all want. As for Sax metagaming me claiming two JOAT roles, sometimes that's how random.org goes. As far as who may or may not be in the game, it would seem that there are only 1 actual mafia agent and 1 agent smith according to the list? That seems a bit underpowered for mafia if Agent Smith is a third party recruiter given the number of people in the game.

[edocsil]

Man, I go to sleep and wake up finding 3 pages. Ok, yes, I'm Niobe, and I'm perfectly willing to tracked tonight or investigated. Since I'm going to be using my investigation role, I'm willing to share results if you all want. As for Sax metagaming me claiming two JOAT roles, sometimes that's how random.org goes. As far as who may or may not be in the game, it would seem that there are only 1 actual mafia agent and 1 agent smith according to the list? That seems a bit underpowered for mafia if Agent Smith is a third party recruiter given the number of people in the game.

Yes, I would say it would be quite bad form for you to be lynched today, you have much you could potentially offer. A protection for you tonight and an investigation result tomorrow.

[TheSaxlad]

Right So Who the f*ck do we lynch?

[edocsil]

Right So Who the f*ck do we lynch?

Haggis. Others have mentioned Vio, but IMO she is just up to her usual crap, and I think we should go for the person we have the case most firmly based in gameplay and not flavor.

[TheSaxlad]

Commander? Safari Do we agree?