[CC2] 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

[Ace Rimmer]

Chuck, as much as I hate to do this, from what I understand eddie may have a point. I believe that the clan directors consider AKA a name change from TIME, not a new clan, so the TIME standings count for them. He quit TIME and took all the old players, plus added new ones, and finished the TIME challenges and TIME clan league games. I'd ask Masli/JP for additional info.

The difference between play-ins and a bye for the top 3 is that in the case of a bye, #29 would play #4 first round, otherwise they'd play another one of the low-ranked teams. Last year you had 6 clans vying for the #14-#16 slots, so those were play-ins. Once they were in, they played against the right spot in the bracket. With a bye, the top 3 clans will each face nobody the first round, and the 4th ranked will play #29.

[Chuuuuck]

We can call it a round of 32 or a play-in, there is no difference in how the games will be played out regardless of what you are calling it. It will be set up so #29 will play #4 and the winner will advance into the #4 slot into the bracket of 16. That is the exact same way it was ran last year with just less games. 14 played 19 for the spot in the bracket for the 14th seed. Maybe I am the one confused here, please explain a little better if we are looking at this a different way.

As far as AKA goes, maybe jp and some of the leaders from AKA can comment and tell me what officially happened there. If it was a name change, then I will give them TIMEs stats and they can play. Unfortunately, I want to say they can not claim it was a name change because my understanding is that Eddie was kicked out of TIME and left to start AKA and then talked most of the players from TIME into leaving and coming with him. To me, this can not be a name change for the simple fact that he was kicked out of one and started the other while the first still existed. But, like I said, I am willing to hear how it all went down if it was different than what I described. I would recommend you be quick about it though if you want to say something, once Power Rankings come out, the bracket will not change because wars start in 2-3 weeks and I know plenty of clans want time to prepare for their opponents.

[Qwert]

If WG can not compete-i dont see how AKA can compete ?
32 are much better number then 29-because everybody play in first round. With 29 many clans will waith 2-3 weeks,to first round be finished. Look these like Tennis Grand slams,where some players get WC,even when they dont have results to compete in big Tournaments.
I know that everybody will have nothing against that some clans get WC,so that you have 32 clans,but you are Director of these cometition,and you decide who will play.

[comic boy]

my main ? that chuuck did not respond to was the fact that aka were forced to try finish times challenges to the fact they only allow me one set of privs at a time so. since we finished of a challenge for time does this make aka availible for this cup. i sent the pm over a week ago to chuuck without response.

What language are you using

[eddie2]

We can call it a round of 32 or a play-in, there is no difference in how the games will be played out regardless of what you are calling it. It will be set up so #29 will play #4 and the winner will advance into the #4 slot into the bracket of 16. That is the exact same way it was ran last year with just less games. 14 played 19 for the spot in the bracket for the 14th seed. Maybe I am the one confused here, please explain a little better if we are looking at this a different way.

As far as AKA goes, maybe jp and some of the leaders from AKA can comment and tell me what officially happened there. If it was a name change, then I will give them TIMEs stats and they can play. Unfortunately, I want to say they can not claim it was a name change because my understanding is that Eddie was kicked out of TIME and left to start AKA and then talked most of the players from TIME into leaving and coming with him. To me, this can not be a name change for the simple fact that he was kicked out of one and started the other while the first still existed. But, like I said, I am willing to hear how it all went down if it was different than what I described. I would recommend you be quick about it though if you want to say something, once Power Rankings come out, the bracket will not change because wars start in 2-3 weeks and I know plenty of clans want time to prepare for their opponents.

i left time on my own back. due to issues with joshy at the time. Time members then followed me to aka. i done all the work for time and were the problem was joshy would agree something then not agree after it happens. I then left time due to this fact. Time members then followed me over a 2-3 week period and joshy left the clan world for a couple of months.
3 weeks after me leaving time i was recieveing pms from jpcloet demanding i or joshy finish times challenges this delaying aka's official start in the clan world. ra just wanted the challenge stopped t4c agreed for aka members to finish the challenge. and the clan league had to be forfiet because the opposing clan demanded it. it was all a mess but i have been punished for not completeing all of times challenges. when i was a aka member for more than 3 weeks at this time.

[Ace Rimmer]

You're right. I was thinking differently.

[Bones2484]

FOED had to start fresh from O&H, the same needs to happen for AKA from TIME (and WG from L4D). AKA is not in the CLA due to not meeting the requirements, either, so they are not considered a "simple name change".

Eddie, you have yet to prove that anything you are connected with is stable. The whole point of the qualifications Chuuuuck posted is to insure that clans who sign up for the Conqueror's Cup will play in the Conqueror's Cup.

If AKA can stay together for CC3, then you'll be in. But you need to prove that your clan is worth taking a spot for a change.

[eddie2]

FOED had to start fresh from O&H, the same needs to happen for AKA from TIME (and WG from L4D). AKA is not in the CLA due to not meeting the requirements, either, so they are not considered a "simple name change".

Eddie, you have yet to prove that anything you are connected with is stable. The whole point of the qualifications Chuuuuck posted is to insure that clans who sign up for the Conqueror's Cup will play in the Conqueror's Cup.

If AKA can stay together for CC3, then you'll be in. But you need to prove that your clan is worth taking a spot for a change.

i will agree with this but i should not be getting punished for the incomplete challenges time had i am only allowed 1 set of clan privs at a time so clan mods are treating me as time aka are one clan.

[Lubawski]

Eddie, best to stop here. Your clan does not meet the requirements. I'm sorry that you feel short-changed because of the way TIME fell apart and your bans, but both of those issues resulted from your actions. Continuing to fight for a slot when your clan does not meet the requirements will only further isolate you and your clan from the clan community. You've been doing well recently, notably in your challenge with the Pack. Continue to do so and your image can be repaired. If you persist in this thread to fight a losing battle, I don't think it will work out well. Join the "Newcomers Cup" and have fun in that. Stay stable, join CL4 next year and CC3 next year as a well established clan.

By the way, much respect to the Geese who understand why they have to sit this out. As well-established players in the clan world, I know they are going to miss being a part of this, but they are handling it in a very professional manner.

Edit: After reading the recent posts in the AKA v Pack thread, I retract my comment that Eddie's been "doing well recently."

[Chuuuuck]

i left time on my own back. due to issues with joshy at the time. Time members then followed me to aka. i done all the work for time and were the problem was joshy would agree something then not agree after it happens. I then left time due to this fact. Time members then followed me over a 2-3 week period and joshy left the clan world for a couple of months.
3 weeks after me leaving time i was recieveing pms from jpcloet demanding i or joshy finish times challenges this delaying aka's official start in the clan world. ra just wanted the challenge stopped t4c agreed for aka members to finish the challenge. and the clan league had to be forfiet because the opposing clan demanded it. it was all a mess but i have been punished for not completeing all of times challenges. when i was a aka member for more than 3 weeks at this time.

Final decision is AKA will have to sit one out. As I take a step back and look at the situation I realize it doesn't matter whether TIME and AKA are the same or not. The fact is simple, we are trying to prevent the exact situation that happened (TIME dissolving and AKA forming) from happening with clans that are participating in this cup. The fact that those problems just occurred very recently demonstrates that I don't have the confidence in you all being in this event this time around. I wish you all the best of luck in other clan wars and hopefully you are still around and doing well for the next cup.

[Qwert]

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By the way, much respect to the Geese who understand why they have to sit this out. As well-established players in the clan world, I know they are going to miss being a part of this, but they are handling it in a very professional manner."

Well rules are rules-i dont see point to arguing when rules are quite clear.
Personaly i think that WG can not be equal with Time-AKA case , and that we are now even much stronger when we transform(not disolve) to WG.
We waith to last moment,to see if something change,and that why we join last in Newcomers Cup.

[danryan]

Regardless of anything else, this is still a privately run event by Chuuuuck and he has every right to allow or deny participation by a clan if he finds they somehow do not meet his criteria or could be a disruptive influence on the event.

Btw, Bones, FOED was definitely not a name change, no more so than TOFU was from LOW, it was a new clan entirely and we understood we had (and still do) to prove our credentials.

[Leehar]

Tbh, I don't really agree with this exclusivism concept, but it's probably immaterial. I just felt if clans were willing and able to play, stopping them is just a disservice if any problems could be solved with forfeits etc, instead of using a 2 war limit which I don't really think has much influence on a clans sustainability. I feel letting them get their fingers wet in a challenge against top-quality clans would be good for future success. Tho this actually does relate to another question I had, I don't remember seeing if there was a decision made on whether the scenario where #4 plays #29 is classified as farming or not and would medals therefore be acceptable?

Also, I has a idea running around in the back of my head if there was any method for perhaps plate tournaments etc being held? I think that with the cup and league being the primary events for clan competition, there was a problem raised that at the latter stages of the competition, only a few clans are left battling it out etc. After the first 2/3 rounds, most of the clans fall away from the cup and need to go to other competitions, so is it possible that they could be reintegrated and continue in lower brackets? (I'm referring to the rugby 7's layout in m head, though it's obviously a bit different).

[Incandenza]

Given what a nightmare Division B of CLA 2 turned out to be, with untested clans dropping out right and left, I fully support Chuck's decision to limit entrance to proven clans in the hopes of a smoothly-running cup, since it'll only take 1 matchup going long due to disorganization to throw the whole timing of the cup out of whack.

On a personal level, anything that would keep me from having to take eddie off ignore is a good thing.

[shocked439]

Leehar, I like your idea but wouldn't it be easier to run another event once 2/3 of these clans are eliminated. It seems like there are two big events back to back with not much else the rest of the year.

[Chariot of Fire]

Why not have someone from one of the losing clans, once we reach the last eight, create a Conqueror's Shield tournament? That keeps clans active and there's also little likelihood that two clans would be meeting each other again. It could become a decent spin-off event. It could also permit entry to those clans who don't qualify for the Cup tournament.

Leehar....a Sevens fan eh? You should try and make it to Hong Kong one of these days for what is probably the greatest sporting weekend on the planet.

[John Deere]

Good luck to all the clans. THE PACK is not eligible this year but we will be ready for next year and will show you guys what we are made of Have fun all!

[Chariot of Fire]

Good luck to all the clans. THE PACK is not eligible this year but we will be ready for next year and will show you guys what we are made of Have fun all!

Oh look, a Deere John letter (sorry, you probably get that all the time).

Thanks for the best wishes and look forward to challenging you PACK guys in future.

[reptile]

Does that refer to the GB packers?

if so low might have to change their names to 9ers or 49ers

[eddie2]

Good luck to all the clans. THE PACK is not eligible this year but we will be ready for next year and will show you guys what we are made of Have fun all!

you guys should of been there. you would of had 2 complete challenges. but since aka was being passed as time and me only having 1 set of privs at a time this delayed the start of the pack challenge(along with the stupid 1 week forum ban issued by jp the day before the new start date of it.)

[Chariot of Fire]

N/mind Eddie. Hang in there mate and it'll all come good eventually. Takes a lot of trial and error to find the right formula, and somehow I think you're getting there.

[eddie2]

N/mind Eddie. Hang in there mate and it'll all come good eventually. Takes a lot of trial and error to find the right formula, and somehow I think you're getting there.

ty cof. as for the rest of you that have commented after my 2nd post back. Did i not say fair enough. also incandezia your comment made me laugh. (since thota were 2 chicken to even enter the league.) but let me break down the events of what happened in the league for you.

1)i left time along with several members of time.
2)all members that left agreed to help time finish there present challenges including myself.
3)we joined the cla games final week (we meaning aka members that were time members) to help time complete there active challenges.
4)jp or masli issued forfeits for the games we joined.
5)I recieve a pm from jpcloet demanding i finish all of times active challenges or face a clan priv ban. this was after they issued forfeits for me trying to do what he was demanding.

now like i am saying due to what happened in no3 why send me the pm in no5. due to this happening it delayed the start of the osa challenge which had a knock on effect for the pack challenge due to the fact that jp and masli will only issue me with 1 set of privs at a time.

fair enough aka can not play in the ccup this year but at least do the correct thing and allow THE PACK to take part as they would of had 2 complete challenges. Do not punish them because of time split up. it was not there fault.

[Leehar]

Given what a nightmare Division B of CLA 2 turned out to be, with untested clans dropping out right and left, I fully support Chuck's decision to limit entrance to proven clans in the hopes of a smoothly-running cup, since it'll only take 1 matchup going long due to disorganization to throw the whole timing of the cup out of whack.

As I said, I wasn't really sure about the specifics of what went on with that, but with the cup, I'd think it'd be pretty simple to put penalties in place against delays etc (my comment on possible forfeits if thats whats called for). I know Chuck mentioned they'd be relatively flexible with timings, but depending on the situation it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to develop punitive measures if we were so inclined.

@shocked I think something along those lines would be worth considering and implementing. The newcomers cup of Benga's looks interesting, so depending on it's success, we could see whether a similar event could be run for the mid-level bunch to stay in that competitive zone...

Sim, pretty much what I was thinking, and yeah it's definitely one of the things to watch, I've been to a World Cup Stadium and watched a soccer match, along with getting a chance to watch a Cricket Pro20 final, so Rugby is next on my list and hong kong sevens is one of the places to be for it (Specially with Sevens in the Olympics now and SA being back on the winning track again at Las Vegas)

Eddie, don't take Incan's comment that harshly, it was just a joke along the same lines as other theme (like kort etc)
You live and you learn.

[Lubawski]

1)i left time along with several members of time.
2)all members that left agreed to help time finish there present challenges including myself.
3)we joined the cla games final week (we meaning aka members that were time members) to help time complete there active challenges.
4)jp or masli issued forfeits for the games we joined.
5)I recieve a pm from jpcloet demanding i finish all of times active challenges or face a clan priv ban. this was after they issued forfeits for me trying to do what he was demanding.

now like i am saying due to what happened in no3 why send me the pm in no5. due to this happening it delayed the start of the osa challenge which had a knock on effect for the pack challenge due to the fact that jp and masli will only issue me with 1 set of privs at a time.

I will try to explain it very clearly. In order to have game creation privileges (notice the work privilege, not rights)
Here are the requirements for game creation privileges.
Required:
1. Approved by the Clan Leader (I will ask that leaders post an approval of the person starting the war thread, along with the opposing leader posting their nominee for rights)
2. Have no abandoned tournaments/clan wars within the past year
3. Have a Premium Account
4. Be in good standing with the site (eg. no other account issues)

Notice #2 (by leaving/being asked to leave from TIME and as their war organizer, you left challenges abandoned). Notice #4 (For better or worse, you have had issues with the site).

I too feel sympathy for the Pack, however, if the challenge starting relies solely on you, then your clan will have pretty serious issues going forward as you seem to get in trouble frequently. I suggest you train someone to be your war minister so things do not rely solely on you.

[Chuuuuck]

I would like to say congratulations to Eddie on refusing to let anything go and finally pushing me to where he has become the first person I have ever foed in the forums. Well done mate!