Spanish Reconquista Map

PimpCaneYoAss · Post by **PimpCaneYoAss** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:33 pm

The muslims (los moros) invaded from Africa in 711. Cordoba was the capital of the muslims. They reigned in spain from 711 to 718. Just a suggestion.

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:15 am

PimpCaneYoAss wrote:The muslims (los moros) invaded from Africa in 711. Cordoba was the capital of the muslims. They reigned in spain from 711 to 718. Just a suggestion.

Sorry my friend but I am sure the Muslims reigned in Spain for more than 7 years.

They actually invaded from modern day Morocco.

Edit: Also I agree that adding Africa (Morocco) would be interesting but I think the reconquista occurred only in the Iberian peninsula right? I don't think the Spanish conquered parts of Morocco or did they?

boberz · Post by **boberz** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:56 am

i wold be interested in a modern version mor but i would still play it and i suppose the iberia map covers it so go ahead with this

PimpCaneYoAss · Post by **PimpCaneYoAss** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 1:56 pm

I believe that Morrocco is a part of Africa, which I said. it did last for longer because in 718 the Spanish won their first battle.

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:00 pm

PimpCaneYoAss wrote:I believe that Morrocco is a part of Africa, which I said. it did last for longer because in 718 the Spanish won their first battle.

Just read one of my earlier posts in this same page and you will have all your answers my friend!

Contrickster · Post by **Contrickster** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:33 pm

CaptainPlanet wrote:
Contrickster wrote:Make sure you include southern France (and west North Africa).

Reconquista would not have been possible without Charles Martel. His victory over Umayyad forces at the Battle of Tours saved Europe from Islamic rule (and gave Europe somewhere to mount a reconquista from).

Check out maps of the "Umayyad caliphate". You should also include western portion of North Africa on the map.

These additions would add originality to Spain map and be historically accurate.

Will be a fun map.
Thanks, that's a good idea. How much of France and Africa should I include though?

West Africa

This map you can see Islamic Caliphate nibble southern France - Narbonne. You might want to include the region of France up to the river visible on that map. This region would includ Tours, where the Battle of Tours was (obviously).

Hope this helps!

scorpian15! · Post by **scorpian15!** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:46 pm

only problem being that there are so many 1 teritory bonuses.join some together but leave madrid and basque alone.acurate that way.i disagree with africa and france being added as i feel we should leave it as spain.

u dont get france or norway in the gb map or poland in the germany map so why france in the spain map

sam_levi_11 · Post by **sam_levi_11** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:52 pm

i agree completley, whats the point, it ruins the games whole concept in my eyes

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:53 pm

scorpian15! wrote:only problem being that there are so many 1 teritory bonuses.join some together but leave madrid and basque alone.acurate that way.i disagree with africa and france being added as i feel we should leave it as spain.

u dont get france or norway in the gb map or poland in the germany map so why france in the spain map

I think the map should be renamed to Reconquista. However perhaps you are right we should include only Spain as that was the territory that was part of the re-conquest!

Contrickster · Post by **Contrickster** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:57 pm

Ruben Cassar wrote:
scorpian15! wrote:only problem being that there are so many 1 teritory bonuses.join some together but leave madrid and basque alone.acurate that way.i disagree with africa and france being added as i feel we should leave it as spain.

u dont get france or norway in the gb map or poland in the germany map so why france in the spain map
I think the map should be renamed to Reconquista. However perhaps you are right we should include only Spain as that was the territory that was part of the re-conquest!

Reconquista does not make historical sense except in the light of Western Africa and southern France. If it's a historical map do the history bit.

The main reason for the added territories is to distinguish it from other Spain maps in development.

CaptainPlanet · Post by **CaptainPlanet** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:23 pm

Contrickster wrote:
CaptainPlanet wrote:
Contrickster wrote:Make sure you include southern France (and west North Africa).

Reconquista would not have been possible without Charles Martel. His victory over Umayyad forces at the Battle of Tours saved Europe from Islamic rule (and gave Europe somewhere to mount a reconquista from).

Check out maps of the "Umayyad caliphate". You should also include western portion of North Africa on the map.

These additions would add originality to Spain map and be historically accurate.

Will be a fun map.
Thanks, that's a good idea. How much of France and Africa should I include though?
West Africa

This map you can see Islamic Caliphate nibble southern France - Narbonne. You might want to include the region of France up to the river visible on that map. This region would includ Tours, where the Battle of Tours was (obviously).

Hope this helps!

Thanks, this helps a lot. I'm going to do the reconquista with Africa and France included so it's different from the Iberia map. Should I include Portugal too?

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:44 pm

Actually I think Portugal was part of Spain at the start of the reconquista so yes why not include it as well.

It's a different map now from the one you had in mind at the start. It's a theme map so rename the thread Reconquista. I like the idea of including Morocco and parts of France as well. Good luck!

CaptainPlanet · Post by **CaptainPlanet** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:59 pm

Let me know what you guys think so far:

I need to improve the looks and add the territory bonuses and names, but I'm tired now and I'll do that tomorrow.

Samus · Post by **Samus** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:19 pm

I count 49 territories. People will probably want you to reduce it to 48.

I can't really comment on the regions on the playability until you add impassable borders.

The thing that sticks out to me right now is the Legend. That font is basically unreadable. The white border around the region color box is an eyesore, and you'll probably need to make them bigger (height wise) to fit the bonus number within the box (I assume that was your plan, I don't really see any other room for them).

CaptainPlanet · Post by **CaptainPlanet** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:34 pm

Samus wrote:I count 49 territories. People will probably want you to reduce it to 48.

I can't really comment on the regions on the playability until you add impassable borders.

The thing that sticks out to me right now is the Legend. That font is basically unreadable. The white border around the region color box is an eyesore, and you'll probably need to make them bigger (height wise) to fit the bonus number within the box (I assume that was your plan, I don't really see any other room for them).

I don't like the white around the boxes either, but I'm not that good with Fireworks so I don't really know how to get rid of them. I'll change the font, and I was planning on putting the bonus number inside the box. I'll fix it tomorrow, thanks for the feedback

KEYOGI · Post by **KEYOGI** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:41 pm

It's just a little thing, but I think I'd like to see the legend with one column rather than two.

Textures could be toned down. Maybe some different colours too. You've got some very bright colours mixed with some dark and some pastel.

There's plenty of other things to fix, but I'm sure you'll get on top of them as you progress beyond this rough stage.

Contrickster · Post by **Contrickster** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:17 pm

CaptainPlanet, that looks really cool for a first draft.

First comment - was Portugal that shape or even around 1000 years ago? It's been around for ages but was it present during the reconquista? If it wasn't it is a glaring mistake to include it on the map as a continent shape.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:32 pm

First comment - was Portugal that shape or even around 1000 years ago? It's been around for ages but was it present during the reconquista? If it wasn't it is a glaring mistake to include it on the map as a continent shape.

It was the Kingdom of Portugal after the battle of Sao Mamede in 1128, I believe... The shape has stayed the same as in the map since the Algarve was recaptured from the Moors in 1250 (I think). Should be fine like that.[/quote]

CaptainPlanet · Post by **CaptainPlanet** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:09 pm

KEYOGI wrote:It's just a little thing, but I think I'd like to see the legend with one column rather than two.

Textures could be toned down. Maybe some different colours too. You've got some very bright colours mixed with some dark and some pastel.

There's plenty of other things to fix, but I'm sure you'll get on top of them as you progress beyond this rough stage.

I originally had one column, but I didn't make the legend big enough, so I didn't have enough room. I'm going to try to fix that.

I just picked colors that stood out from each other for now, so it's easier to see the continents. I'll change the colors also

CaptainPlanet · Post by **CaptainPlanet** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:11 pm

I fixed the legend and added the territory bonuses:

Let me know if the bonuses are off or if its hard to read the legend. I also made it 48 territories

Nukora · Post by **Nukora** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:17 pm

Using a dash symbol for the bonus key isn't good. It looks like a minus sign.

CaptainPlanet · Post by **CaptainPlanet** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:24 pm

Nukora wrote:Using a dash symbol for the bonus key isn't good. It looks like a minus sign.

Why would they all subtract? If it were a more abstract map, then I can see how it would look like a minus, but on a normal map, you shouldn't get confused.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:54 pm

It is hard to read the legend.

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:56 pm

CaptainPlanet wrote:
Nukora wrote:Using a dash symbol for the bonus key isn't good. It looks like a minus sign.
Why would they all subtract? If it were a more abstract map, then I can see how it would look like a minus, but on a normal map, you shouldn't get confused.

On this point I agree with the good Captain!

PimpCaneYoAss · Post by **PimpCaneYoAss** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:25 pm

How many territories are in the Balearic Islands?