Logic dictates that there is a God!

Kernal_Kronic · Post by **Kernal_Kronic** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:40 am

So then why are people born with homosexual tendancies?

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:43 am

Kernal_Kronic wrote:So then why are people born with homosexual tendancies?

To test our faith, I assume.

Or maybe its original sin...

Or maybe its related to a burning bush of some kind...

The hatred of gays is simply fear of difference and the feat of nature's nonsensicality.

If homosexuals weren't supposed to exist, then they wouldn't exist. Sure, the Bible says that they're going to hell. The Bible also says that incest is perfectly cool with God.

With these messages, how can we trust that the Bible really is the word of God? Sounds more like the word of pretentious moralists who want nothing more then total uniformity.

dagreatbroomhead · Post by **dagreatbroomhead** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:04 am

odd coming from a man who has jesus in his avatar

eye84free · Post by **eye84free** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:33 am

good point but the bible is said to be the word of jesus..but all it is is the word of the his deciples in which they said jesus told them or they saw it with there own eyes.so how do we know its true or if there is more that wasnt told to us.and there is so many diff. versons which is the more correct. which religon is the correct one. hmmmmmm....these same ?s and more have been around for a while....the real ? is what do u belive or dont belive?

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:54 am

dagreatbroomhead wrote:odd coming from a man who has jesus in his avatar

It's Terminator Jesus, sent back in time to baptize Sarah Connor and prevent the religion known as Connorism from taking root in the future!

And he'll baptize her all right... With a bullet to the face!

Pilate · Post by **Pilate** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:41 am

jay_a2j wrote:
pilate065 wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Calling it a "story" doesn't make it one. Just as not believing in God doesn't make Him any less real.
You have a problem with definitions

you seem to have a problem with God.

I don't have a problem with God. I have a problem with his ignorant children and his poor parenting skills.

I'm sure God wants you to fight against evolution and not against Aids in Africa.

Pilate · Post by **Pilate** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:41 am

jay_a2j wrote:The Bible says, "Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (1Cor9-10)

And most of us fall into at least one of these catagories. But God made a way through His son. God loves the sinner but hates the sin.

Jesus didn't say that

So are you saying god is homophobic? Does this mean he is racist too?

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:58 am

pilate065 wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:The Bible says, "Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (1Cor9-10)

And most of us fall into at least one of these catagories. But God made a way through His son. God loves the sinner but hates the sin.
Jesus didn't say that

So are you saying god is homophobic? Does this mean he is racist too?

It doesnt even say that.

Pilate · Post by **Pilate** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:20 pm

reverend_kyle wrote:
pilate065 wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:The Bible says, "Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (1Cor9-10)

And most of us fall into at least one of these catagories. But God made a way through His son. God loves the sinner but hates the sin.
Jesus didn't say that

So are you saying god is homophobic? Does this mean he is racist too?
It doesnt even say that.

You miss the point. Its a rhetorical question.

"No, he's not racist. No he's not homophobic".

reverend_kyle · Post by **reverend_kyle** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:34 pm

pilate065 wrote:
reverend_kyle wrote:
pilate065 wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:The Bible says, "Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (1Cor9-10)

And most of us fall into at least one of these catagories. But God made a way through His son. God loves the sinner but hates the sin.
Jesus didn't say that

So are you saying god is homophobic? Does this mean he is racist too?
It doesnt even say that.
You miss the point. Its a rhetorical question.

"No, he's not racist. No he's not homophobic".

I wasn't replying to yours i was replying to his "bible verse". He's one of the people who blindly listens to Bill O'Reilly.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:41 pm

Kernal_Kronic wrote:So then why are people born with homosexual tendancies?

They aren't. No more than an alcoholic is born with the tendency to drink beer. Getting drunk is a sin no worse than sleeping with the same sex. Sin is sin. All sin separates us from God. Personally, I think homosexuality, as with other sin, can be the result of a demonic presence. The "evil" influance may sometimes take hold of a person after a tramatic event (ie. molestation, abusive parent, neglect). Remenber, Satan is tring to make sure as many people as possible are going to join him in hell. Jesus spent 3 days in hell so we wouldn't ever have too, if only we accept his free gift.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:50 pm

vtmarik wrote:
Kernal_Kronic wrote:So then why are people born with homosexual tendancies?
To test our faith, I assume.

Or maybe its original sin...

Or maybe its related to a burning bush of some kind...

The hatred of gays is simply fear of difference and the feat of nature's nonsensicality.

If homosexuals weren't supposed to exist, then they wouldn't exist. Sure, the Bible says that they're going to hell. The Bible also says that incest is perfectly cool with God.

With these messages, how can we trust that the Bible really is the word of God? Sounds more like the word of pretentious moralists who want nothing more then total uniformity.

The Bible does not say "incest is perfectly cool with God". If you are refering to Adam and Eve and their children. Yes...in order to populate the Earth (so marik we are related

) It was nessissary for that.

God destroyed Sodom and Gamorah for the sin of homosexuallity. But you have to keep in mind sin is sin. Practicing homosexuality is no worse than a person who lies, or steals, or cheats, or looks at a woman lustfully. So the Bible is not "homophobic". If anything its "sinophobic". Becuase God is pure and without sin and he hates sin.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:51 pm

dagreatbroomhead wrote:odd coming from a man who has jesus in his avatar

?

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:55 pm

pilate065 wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
pilate065 wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Calling it a "story" doesn't make it one. Just as not believing in God doesn't make Him any less real.
You have a problem with definitions

you seem to have a problem with God.
I don't have a problem with God. I have a problem with his ignorant children and his poor parenting skills.

I'm sure God wants you to fight against evolution and not against Aids in Africa.

lol evolution is a lie which Satan uses to decieve people. AIDS is a disease and I'm sure my tax dollars are going to fight that. We are all going to die, wether it be from disease or not. The question is are we ready?

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:57 pm

reverend_kyle wrote:
pilate065 wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:The Bible says, "Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (1Cor9-10)

And most of us fall into at least one of these catagories. But God made a way through His son. God loves the sinner but hates the sin.
Jesus didn't say that

So are you saying god is homophobic? Does this mean he is racist too?
It doesnt even say that.

Look it up! I cited chapter and verse! NIV is the translation quoted.

As for the homophobic stuff it was addressed in an earlier post. Racist??? Come on now its getting rediculous.

And I hate the word "homophobic", its not even a real word (until the left started using it) It literally means "fear of homosexuality". Which most people, who are against it are not "afraid" of it, they see it as immoral (period).

DRoZ · Post by **DRoZ** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:15 pm

I think he means 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:15 pm

DRoZ wrote:I think he means 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.

yes, sorry bout that!

DRoZ · Post by **DRoZ** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:25 pm

No problem, just trying to help. The guys on here seem to be a bit too hard on you. Oh you might want to see some passages in Leviticus on homosexuality, Lev 18:22 and 20:13, although I tend to take Leviticus with a grain of salt as some of Levitical law seems a bit far fetched.

Pilate · Post by **Pilate** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:32 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
Kernal_Kronic wrote:So then why are people born with homosexual tendancies?

They aren't. No more than an alcoholic is born with the tendency to drink beer. Getting drunk is a sin no worse than sleeping with the same sex. Sin is sin. All sin separates us from God. Personally, I think homosexuality, as with other sin, can be the result of a demonic presence. The "evil" influance may sometimes take hold of a person after a tramatic event (ie. molestation, abusive parent, neglect). Remenber, Satan is tring to make sure as many people as possible are going to join him in hell. Jesus spent 3 days in hell so we wouldn't ever have too, if only we accept his free gift.

Is being an ignoramous a sin? I hope not, otherwise you're going to hell

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:33 pm

jay_a2j wrote:The Bible does not say "incest is perfectly cool with God". If you are refering to Adam and Eve and their children. Yes...in order to populate the Earth (so marik we are related ) It was nessissary for that.

Actually i was referring to Onan spilling his seed on the ground because he refused to have children with his sister-in-law.

And how do we know that evolution is a lie that Satan thought up? Are you saying that Satan placed fossils of similar creatures to our own deep within the earth's crust which, coincidentally, was created by God?

Are you saying that Satan slipped fossils into the earth when God wasn't looking?

Personally, I think homosexuality, as with other sin, can be the result of a demonic presence. The "evil" influance may sometimes take hold of a person after a tramatic event (ie. molestation, abusive parent, neglect).

So, what are you saying... Gays can be exorcised of the demons and be made straight? You can instantly stop the man from getting aroused by the sight of a muscle-y armed man? I think not my friend.

Psychologically altering one's beliefs won't change the genetic conditions.

Pilate · Post by **Pilate** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:33 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
vtmarik wrote:
Kernal_Kronic wrote:So then why are people born with homosexual tendancies?
To test our faith, I assume.

Or maybe its original sin...

Or maybe its related to a burning bush of some kind...

The hatred of gays is simply fear of difference and the feat of nature's nonsensicality.

If homosexuals weren't supposed to exist, then they wouldn't exist. Sure, the Bible says that they're going to hell. The Bible also says that incest is perfectly cool with God.

With these messages, how can we trust that the Bible really is the word of God? Sounds more like the word of pretentious moralists who want nothing more then total uniformity.

The Bible does not say "incest is perfectly cool with God". If you are refering to Adam and Eve and their children. Yes...in order to populate the Earth (so marik we are related ) It was nessissary for that.

God destroyed Sodom and Gamorah for the sin of homosexuallity. But you have to keep in mind sin is sin. Practicing homosexuality is no worse than a person who lies, or steals, or cheats, or looks at a woman lustfully. So the Bible is not "homophobic". If anything its "sinophobic". Becuase God is pure and without sin and he hates sin.

I'm waiting for god to destroy San Francisco

Pilate · Post by **Pilate** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:34 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
pilate065 wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
pilate065 wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Calling it a "story" doesn't make it one. Just as not believing in God doesn't make Him any less real.
You have a problem with definitions

you seem to have a problem with God.
I don't have a problem with God. I have a problem with his ignorant children and his poor parenting skills.

I'm sure God wants you to fight against evolution and not against Aids in Africa.

lol evolution is a lie which Satan uses to decieve people. AIDS is a disease and I'm sure my tax dollars are going to fight that. We are all going to die, wether it be from disease or not. The question is are we ready?

Creationism is a lie which Satan uses to blind Christians.

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:39 pm

**Listens to the Angel on one of his shoulders, turn and listens to the Devil on his other shoulder. Looks off into the distance in a dazed, pondering look.** If only I knew which to choose...

--Andy

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:43 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:**Listens to the Angel on one of his shoulders, turn and listens to the Devil on his other shoulder. Looks off into the distance in a dazed, pondering look.** If only I knew which to choose...

As the pseudo-Buddha might say: Ignore both, choose the third path.

jay_a2j wrote:?

He was talking about Terminator Jesus
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jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:51 pm

[quote="vtmarik"]
So, what are you saying... Gays can be exorcised of the demons and be made straight? You can instantly stop the man from getting aroused by the sight of a muscle-y armed man? I think not my friend.

I've seen testimony of men who were "gay" and God delivered them form that sin. Not necissarily (sp) "exorcised" with the priests and all. But when men of God (and women) pray, mountains move.

Logic dictates that there is a God!

Does God exist?