UN authorises No-Fly Zone over Libya

[Baron Von PWN]

The Libyan rebels may have just been given a new lease on life. UN security council passed a resolution for the creation of a no fly zone over Libya.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ma ... resolution

[saxitoxin]

Always a good plan to end a war: bomb the war to death. Well it'll keep gas prices low so who cares.

The UN again shows what a worthless swaggle of sycophants sucking off the teet of America they are; at least Russia, China, India, and Brazil maintained some appearance of independence in the vote instead of instantly collapsing to their knees in front of Uncle Sam and proclaiming their willingness to swallow.

Which young conscripts manning AA batteries will the Nobel Peace Prize winner order burned to death by Mark 82s first I wonder? I'm sure he's salivating at how many corpses he can add to his body count. Pakistani children just weren't cutting it.

[PLAYER57832]

The Libyan rebels may have just been given a new lease on life. UN security council passed a resolution for the creation of a no fly zone over Libya.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ma ... resolution

Probably too little, too late, though.

[CreepersWiener]

Let the UN fight the friggin war! America should not be involved!

RON PAUL 2012!!!!!

[The Bison King]

I heard about this on America's most reliable and unbiased news source:

Spoiler

NPR

But I think this guy's right:

Probably too little, too late, though.

[saxitoxin]

So which country's roundels will be over Libya next week "accidentally" [wink] "missing" [wink] and hitting nursery schools?

(a) Portugal will enforce the No-Fly Zone
(b) Jordan will enforce the No-Fly Zone
(c) Norway will enforce the No-Fly Zone
(d) Bolivia will enforce the No-Fly Zone
(e) Canada will enforce the No-Fly Zone
(f) Slovenia will enforce the No-Fly Zone
(g) the USA

To find out The Empire's agenda just check to see whose front door the trail of blood leads back to -

[PLAYER57832]

So which country's roundels will be over Libya next week "accidentally" [wink] "missing" [wink] and hitting nursery schools?

(a) Portugal will enforce the No-Fly Zone
(b) Jordan will enforce the No-Fly Zone
(c) Norway will enforce the No-Fly Zone
(d) Bolivia will enforce the No-Fly Zone
(e) Canada will enforce the No-Fly Zone
(f) Slovenia will enforce the No-Fly Zone
(g) the USA

To find out The Empire's agenda just check to see whose front door the trail of blood leads back to -

hmm... seems like a true socialist such as yourself would be pleased to see the people deposing another despotic ruler

[saxitoxin]

So which country's roundels will be over Libya next week "accidentally" [wink] "missing" [wink] and hitting nursery schools?

(a) Portugal will enforce the No-Fly Zone
(b) Jordan will enforce the No-Fly Zone
(c) Norway will enforce the No-Fly Zone
(d) Bolivia will enforce the No-Fly Zone
(e) Canada will enforce the No-Fly Zone
(f) Slovenia will enforce the No-Fly Zone
(g) the USA

To find out The Empire's agenda just check to see whose front door the trail of blood leads back to -

hmm... seems like a true socialist such as yourself would be pleased to see the people deposing another despotic ruler

Right.

Chavez and Castro stand with Col. Qadaffi. I'm supposed to support the side that's backed by Barack "AT&T" Obama and Stephen "Tim Horton's" Harper? Gimme a break. You don't have the first clue about international socialist solidarity and the universal struggle of the world proletariat.

What part of the name Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya do you not understand? I'm not interested in US-backed fake revolutions run by groups of criminal street gangs. Maybe you can write more love letters to Exxon instead of regaling us with the wonderment of the Yankee war factory. Talk to qwert. When you were bombing his country back to the stone age ten years ago, IIRC he wasn't exactly thanking God that the great Yankee death machine had come to free Serbia by killing everyone there.

You really are brainwashed.

[BigBallinStalin]

Wouldn't the enforcement of a no-fly zone protract the war in Libya?

It seems it would, since Gaddafi is fully committed to the fight. He'll just have to rely more heavily on artillery strikes (more civilian casualties--rebel and non-rebel), and there's probably going to be more strategies leaning towards attrition (since there's no option for dealing decisive blows without air support).

It seems that this would most likely prolong the war and increase civilian casualties.

[saxitoxin]

LOL ...

Immediately following the vote, a crowd of thousands fired guns in the air and set off fireworks in the rebels' de facto capital of Benghazi to celebrate the news. Also, U.S. crude oil futures rose $2.05 a barrel to $103.47, Reuters reported.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011 ... ml?ref=rss

It's all about the oil. Barack O'Bush doesn't care how deep the slaughter and carnage becomes from his mad dash to guarantee BP and Exxon contracts aren't threatened.

Libya is one of the world's few remaining liberated territories. After the Yankees and Zionists take Libya they'll move on to Venezuela and Cuba.

[saxitoxin]

Meanwhile, the Zombie-Whore sharpens her fangs:

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton says a U.N. no-fly zone over Libya would require the bombing of ground targets.

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/cl ... 75547.html

[jefjef]

Libya is one of the world's few remaining liberated territories.

Liberated from what? Freedom from oppression? I'm guessing the reason the majority of the population rose up against Gadaffy wasn't cuz they were experiencing liberty.

[Ray Rider]

The Libyan rebels may have just been given a new lease on life. UN security council passed a resolution for the creation of a no fly zone over Libya.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ma ... resolution

Probably too little, too late, though.

Yes, probably. Come to think of it, "Too little, too late" should be the slogan for the UN, since that's what they do all the time anyway.

Let the UN fight the friggin war! America should not be involved!

RON PAUL 2012!!!!!

I say let the EU and the Arab nations enforce the no-fly zone if they want to. They have enough military might to do so, and more of a vested interested in the area. Why should the US bear the brunt of the cost when the US is already involved in two wars and collapsing economically? We'll see what happens, though.

Libya is one of the world's few remaining liberated territories. After the Yankees and Zionists take Libya they'll move on to Venezuela and Cuba.

rofl and the sky is lime green.

[saxitoxin]

"My legs had anti-democratic sympathies - thanks for bombing them off, America!"
- Ljubica, Age 9 / 1999 Serbian No-Fly Zone

[jefjef]

Libya today reportedly possesses 9.5 metric tons of mustard gas and 1,000 metric tons of yellowcake uranium — the raw material for an atomic bomb.

Immediately, the worry is that al-Qadhafi — who is blaming the revolution in his country on drugged up Al Qaeda infiltrators — is just desperate enough to use chemical weapons on his own people. More troubling to our national security is what happens to those stockpiles when the regime finally collapses?

Yes we should do all in our power to facilitate the removal of the current govt in Libya.

[saxitoxin]

the reason the majority of the population rose up against Col. Qadaffi

If that were true they would have won 3 weeks ago. If 3,000,000 people rose-up against a government that only fields a 50,000-man army it would have been no-contest.

The fact is a small segment of radicals - the so-called "Libyan Youth Movement" led by 70-year old Ibrahim Sahad (who owns a house in Washington DC) - are sewing unrest. The west sees it as a chance to secure their oil contracts which have been on shaky ground under the current administration in Tripoli and will do whatever it takes to make certain Sahad and his thugs take-over the government and install the same type of military dictatorship that now rules Egypt.

Libya today reportedly possesses 9.5 metric tons of mustard gas

LOL - the USA has more than 3,000 tons of sarin and VX gas.

and 1,000 metric tons of yellowcake uranium — the raw material for an atomic bomb.

Yeah they always have yellowcake uranium when the Empire needs to bomb the legs off little girls and wants public support to do it.

[BigBallinStalin]

I take back my statements about protracting the war in Libya. I didn't realize that the "no fly zone" resolution included "non-Libyan actors bombing Libyan cities, civilians, and armed personnel).

Yikes, that's even worse. There'll be blood on our hands, and then most likely a seemingly popular enough Military Junta will be selected for rule over Libya (perhaps I'm just being too cynical, but it's been the trend for such scenarios).

[BigBallinStalin]

the reason the majority of the population rose up against Col. Qadaffi

If that were true they would have won 3 weeks ago. If 3,000,000 people rose-up against a government that only fields a 50,000-man army it would have been no-contest.

The fact is a small segment of radicals - the so-called "Libyan Youth Movement" led by 70-year old Ibrahim Sahad (who owns a house in Washington DC) - are sewing unrest. The west sees it as a chance to secure their oil contracts which have been on shaky ground under the current administration in Tripoli and will do whatever it takes to make certain Sahad and his thugs take-over the government and install the same type of military dictatorship that now rules Egypt.

To add to the Ibrahim Sahad speculation on US government ties:

Assuming the following from wikipedia is true:

- Served as a military officer in the Libyan Army from 1963 to 1969, as an instructor in the Intelligence Academy. Also served as an aide to the commander of military intelligence unit, and staff officer in the electronic communication division of the Libyan Air Force.
- During his time in the military, he completed several tours of training in the Infantry School (Al Marj), Military Intelligence School (Al Marj), School of Field Engineering (Benghazi), Military Intelligence School (New Jersey, USA), and Royal Artilery Academy (Wales, U.K.).
- He was receiving training in Air Defense Systems in Britain when the military coup of Col. Muamar Gaddafi took place in September 1969, and he immediately returned back to Libya and was detained upon his arrival.
- He was alienated by the Gaddafi regime and sent to different diplomatic posts outside of Libya.
- Mr. Sahad served in Libyan diplomatic missions in Jordan, United States, United Nations, and served as the Libyan Chargé d'Affaires in Argentina, and also served as Director for Political Affairs of the Americas in Libyan Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Then he most likely has connections with a lot of the big players in the US, British, Israeli (and other western nations') intelligence and diplomatic communities. This man has connections, and he'd be a fool not to use them. If this is true, then it's no surprise he's so involved in this "somewhat popular but not too much" civil war--he wants to be leader of it all. The benefits are immense, and he seems to be getting the Western-backing he requires to bring his plan into fruition.

It's no small surprise that the Russians, Chinese, and other big players abstain or voted no for the "no-fly zone plus bomb them" resolution. They want to curtail US-European dominance in this region.

Good call, saxitoxin.

[saxitoxin]

OMG Ibby has a wikipedia entry? Sheesh. He probably made it himself. I guess it's easy to do, even when you spend your days face-down with half-a-pillow in your mouth.

USAID gave him something like $7 million back in the mid 70s to start a radio station in Sudan. (Now, I've never been to Sudan but I know it doesn't cost $7 million in 1974 money to start a radio station there that goes bust after a few months. The difference probably payed for his luxurious brownstone walk-up in Georgetown. Just your average "Libyan youth." Wonder why "truth and honesty" NPR [or any media for that matter] hasn't got around to interviewing the next ruler of Libya --- or even so much as mentioning his name? Guess the Empire hasn't got around to issuing a press release yet for the pliant media to dutifully regurgitate.)

[saxitoxin]

Governments representing over half the world's population oppose the Yankee No-Fly Zone ... however, most of them aren't white countries so are being ignored.

Voices of Sanity vs. the Passengers on the "OMG Do Something!" Bus

• Chancellor Angela Merkel, "Germany"
  Why should we intervene in Libya when we don't intervene elsewhere?
  
  Foreign Minister Antonio de Aguiar Patriota, Brazil
  The resort to a no-fly zone is seen as expedient when adopted by a country but it weakens the system of collective security and provokes indirect consequences prejudicial to the objective we have been trying to achieve.
  
  MFA Spokesman Jiang Yu, China
  The Security Council should seek to resolve the current Libyan crisis through dialogue and other peaceful means. We oppose the use of armed force in international relations, and have serious reservations.
  
  President Hugo Chavez, Venezuela
  What is the United States proposing? A war, an invasion of Libya. They want Libyan oil.
  
  Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan, Turkey
  Military intervention by NATO in Libya or any other country would be totally counter-productive. We need to give the Libyan people permission to chart their own course.

Even some Yanks are sane.

• Congressman Dennis Kucinich, Ohio
  It is an act of war that can only be approved by Congressional action, not by any international body. There is a civil war in Libya, which must be resolved by Libya. The U.S. must make a firm declaration that it will not intervene in Libya by means of enforcing a no-fly zone or any other aggressive military means.
  
  Congressman Dr. Ron Paul, Texas
  Our intervention will undermine the legitimacy of whatever government prevails in Libya. Whatever we may think about the Gaddafi regime, we must recognize that the current turmoil in Libya represents an attempted coup d’état in a foreign country. Neither the coup leaders nor the regime pose an imminent threat to the United States and therefore, as much as we abhor violence and loss of life, this is simply none of our business.

[MrPanzerGeneral]

Ha Ha Ha ....yes, leave any decisions up to the UN Oh ! Good ! France pokeing their nose in, they want to necome involved, they'll sort it

[MrPanzerGeneral]

There has been a no fly zone over Libya, basically, since Lockerbie .

[Qwert]

what to say-Congratulation to US- you want war- you get war.
What its most funny,when rebels wining,everything whas somehow ok, but when goverment troops strike back, then panic become much high in France,Britain and US. They desperatly need UN resolutin,but i dont know why? They attack mine country withouth any UN resolution, and these whas only member of NATO, so why they need any UN declaration to start any war? Now you will get more and more civilian casualty,because "smart" bomb are not "smart", i know that from mine country. They have zero effect on army, but are great against civilian. Also now they can experiment with new tupe of bombs,because its great oportunity for testing, now all Lybia will be one fantastic testing area,and they have open hand to drop,all kind of bombs,and nobody will be guilty if they kill civilians, Dont forget -any civilian who going to be killed in Nato Bombing are "colateral Damage", these is i know also from mine country case. But oil are oil, and they worth much more then any man,women,or children. But good thing,its that from 10000 meter you can not see,how many you kill, and you go home after long day of bombarding, with smile.
New exotic country and new war- start working on medals.

[BigBallinStalin]

what to say-Congratulation to US- you want war- you get war.
What its most funny,when rebels wining,everything whas somehow ok, but when goverment troops strike back, then panic become much high in France,Britain and US. They desperatly need UN resolutin,but i dont know why? They attack mine country withouth any UN resolution, and these whas only member of NATO, so why they need any UN declaration to start any war? Now you will get more and more civilian casualty,because "smart" bomb are not "smart", i know that from mine country. They have zero effect on army, but are great against civilian. Also now they can experiment with new tupe of bombs,because its great oportunity for testing, now all Lybia will be one fantastic testing area,and they have open hand to drop,all kind of bombs,and nobody will be guilty if they kill civilians, Dont forget -any civilian who going to be killed in Nato Bombing are "colateral Damage", these is i know also from mine country case. But oil are oil, and they worth much more then any man,women,or children. But good thing,its that from 10000 meter you can not see,how many you kill, and you go home after long day of bombarding, with smile.
New exotic country and new war- start working on medals.

<checks watch> Yeah, it's about that time to start experimenting. It reminds me of how the "Great" Powers during the Interwar Years (the time between WW1 and WW2) experimented with their technology and military theories on Arabs.

I'm surprised that Germany wasn't in favor of the plan too.

[thegreekdog]

From NPR:

The vote late Thursday was 10-0 with five abstentions: Russia, China, India, Germany and Brazil.

French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe took the lead in promoting the resolution, saying it was necessary to stop Gadhafi and his "warmongers" from continuing their attack against civilians who have been opposing the regime. Juppe emphasized that enforcement must come quickly, with the rebel stronghold of Benghazi facing an imminent attack

French Prime Minister Francois Fillon said France was prepared to support military action against Gadhafi within hours.

Bowman said it didn't seem likely the U.S. would take the lead in enforcing the resolution.

"France has been leaning forward on this," he said. "The U.S. could provide refueling planes, reconnaissance aircraft. It could use cruise missiles to take out some of the radar sites and missile sites of Gadhafi's forces. But there are plenty of F-16s and other warplanes the U.S. has in the region ... that could be used in the fight."

So, France, not the United States, is taking the lead. So don't blame us, blame France. To paraphrase, "You won't have the United States to kick around anymore."

Also this from NPR:

Libya's foreign minister announced an immediate cease-fire Friday, less than a day after the U.N. Security Council adopted a resolution authorizing "all necessary measures" to protect the Libyan people.

So no one is blowing off little kids' legs except for Colonel Qadafi (why is he still a colonel by the way) and the rebels.