Nostalgia Mafia ~ Commander wins!

[Commander9]

unvote vote cena

I am happy to lynch anyone - I said that early, as long as we lynch someone - voting the most active townsmember however reaks of poor play and scum - considering your level of activity you look like the perfect lynch for today.

Sometimes the most zealous and active town members can also be scum, especially if they're good players. I can definitely understand your argument against Cena (especially if Edoc would die and turn up town, he'd be in the clear, so a great move for him if he's a scum), but I can't say that I really liked how pushy you've been as well.

[nagerous]

unvote vote cena

I am happy to lynch anyone - I said that early, as long as we lynch someone - voting the most active townsmember however reaks of poor play and scum - considering your level of activity you look like the perfect lynch for today.

Sometimes the most zealous and active town members can also be scum, especially if they're good players. I can definitely understand your argument against Cena (especially if Edoc would die and turn up town, he'd be in the clear, so a great move for him if he's a scum), but I can't say that I really liked how pushy you've been as well.

Sorry that's just how I play.

[Commander9]

Sorry that's just how I play.

Exactly. You'd play the same way whether you'd be town or scum, so there's no way of knowing. Now let me read your previous post - hopefully I'll have some comments.

[nagerous]

Anyway, I don't feel I have been particularly pushy towards edocsil - I never asked him to claim, I never encouraged people to hammer him - I in fact when I thought he was L-1 put it in big letters so no one would. I knew we had a fair bit of time left (but not a lot) so was aiming to transition from joke votes into a serious game as quickly as possible (which is what happened), of course as always it gets a little too serious.

[nagerous]

If you read again, I encouraged edoc to put his own thoughts down - unfortunately he put me, cena pounced on it and I voted cena.. now scum will lynch me.

[nagerous]

The way I see it c9 you were just as pushy on edoc but without dedicating a vote yourself so if you're thinking of hammering me you really should be looked at in the next day phase.

[edocsil]

I can definitely understand your argument against Cena (especially if Edoc would die and turn up town, he'd be in the clear, so a great move for him if he's a scum)

Yes it could be but it would be is quite a gamble for the scum to ignore the easy wagon against me and be set up so nicely for a lylo the next day. I don't think we are playing at that sort of level here, if I were scum here I would have just gone for ht easy kill and then cited standard rhetoric for any lynch being better then no lynch tomorrow.

Also going after inactives this early in the game is a major scum move IMO. It is always easy to do, appears to be moderately townish because it promote discussion. Any decent player who is scum should never be ratted out simply because the do not post enough.

And nag, what is with the personal attacks?

[Commander9]

The way you see me as a better lynch, putting me at -1 instead of voting cena for his non-committal lurking strategy however does not make any sense to me. I will ask you one question though. If I was scum do you really think I would've changed my vote from a guy who is close to the chopping board and acting extremely scummy (you) to a guy who has absolutely no votes on him whatsoever in a totally random move? Think about it..

Got to say that this might be the best line you've posted in this thread so far. Obviously, I could use WIFOM argument, but I do think that this makes sense. If Nag was a scum, he'd likely have pushed for someone's lynch, but him going back to Cena does show his good intentions.

Anyway, I don't feel I have been particularly pushy towards edocsil - I never asked him to claim, I never encouraged people to hammer him - I in fact when I thought he was L-1 put it in big letters so no one would. I knew we had a fair bit of time left (but not a lot) so was aiming to transition from joke votes into a serious game as quickly as possible (which is what happened), of course as always it gets a little too serious.

Well, to be fair, you've been extremely pushy and aggressive (what a good scum could do), so I don't know why you were surprised with this.

[nagerous]

I can definitely understand your argument against Cena (especially if Edoc would die and turn up town, he'd be in the clear, so a great move for him if he's a scum)

Yes it could be but it would be is quite a gamble for the scum to ignore the easy wagon against me and be set up so nicely for a lylo the next day. I don't think we are playing at that sort of level here, if I were scum here I would have just gone for ht easy kill and then cited standard rhetoric for any lynch being better then no lynch tomorrow.

Also going after inactives this early in the game is a major scum move IMO. It is always easy to do, appears to be moderately townish because it promote discussion. Any decent player who is scum should never be ratted out simply because the do not post enough.

And nag, what is with the personal attacks?

I got personal, because you seemed to refuse to see things from my perspective at all and have already pre-judged that I am scum. I always try and look at things from every interpretation when playing mafia and it hurts when people think I must be acting scummy, at the end of the day maybe I got too involved but I wouldn't act this way if I was scum, especially in a c9 game like this with 7 players what would be the point of drawing so much attention to myself.

[Commander9]

The way I see it c9 you were just as pushy on edoc but without dedicating a vote yourself so if you're thinking of hammering me you really should be looked at in the next day phase.

Hmm, mind pointing out where I've been as pushy on Edoc as you were? I did start the thing, but you were the one who developed it. If you'd play with me more, you'd know that I generally don't throw my votes everywhere.

Also, yes, I'm thinking of hammering you, but I won't as there's still time.

[nagerous]

Vote both Edoc and Cena for being overly violent.

Easy big shooter, if that is counted that puts me at L-1.

Wasn't it you who told me that townie should be afraid for greater cause, especially if it helps to oust scum? Got something to hide?

FoS Edoc.

Yeah one thing for a game to move fast Another for the day to only be one week. In the 7 player mafia I hosted I did that and I saw how well that helped the activity. (sarcasm) And how is a one-liner about Vio an intense reaction. I have said several times now that I said it to prevent an oops, and you guys all act like I threw around accusations and got all defensive. Is that really what you are going to hang me for? Or perhaps you would think that it is claim worthy? It is a C9 game, everyone is just going to claim VT, as the doc and cop if they are out there can't afford to draw the attention to themselves by claiming.

Well, you're talking like you're already about to be lynched and you have only 2 votes on you. Besides, as Nag said, it is day 1, so it usually ends with a rather flimsy lynch... Sure, your case my be really weak, but we don't have anything better around and mathematically a no lynch would be really bad in such a game.

These are your quotes and compare it to what I said:

Now, here we don't have that option unless we lynch fircoal for being a noob - however, edoc has made a boast about having never been lynched - could this be seen as scummy arrogance. Maybe. It is the only real lead we have and why not lynch someone who has never been lynched? An element of vindictiveness on my part - maybe - but not scummy vindictiveness

I have to decided to unvote vote edocsil - this puts you at L-1 I realise (big letters so no one can accidently 'hammer')

I have no real evidence to make me believe that you are scum but I don't think any 'real' evidence is going to appear for anyone on day one bar someone breaking down and claiming it. A wagon that one bands on is the only way to get a lynch on our day 1 and a lynch is far more preferable to no lynch as well all know.

Yeah, but you are at least supposed to make an effort to find scum. We have 3 pages of conversation and you sit down to lynch someone who you don't even believe is scum?

We have until sunday. Over half the deadline is already up. It's already time to act. The way you're acting seems to make you the best case around. An argument could be made against Vio for her 3rd vote that wasn't even a real vote so it wouldn't be counted so that is much more weaker than your on 'edge' response to what was literally a bunch of joke votes (1 that didn't even register as a real vote as you would well know).

ok this is the only argument that I may be a little pushy here (but with some people posting once a day, why not - I already made a statement about no real leads, if I hadn't gone schiz and posted 10 times in one page we'd still be on page 5)

Vote Count

with 7 alive, 4 to lynch. Deadline saturday night

Ah, here it is. Mr. S why do we have a deadline already? It hasn't even been a week yet an conversation is flowing.

If you are wondering about this, it is part of a campaign I am running and pushing for greater activity and regular posting, what I'd like to see are 20 pages springing up in big games over one night on a regular basis - I asked Squirrel actually for a 72/96 hr deadline but he said that was too extreme and said he'd have a deadline per players alive or something along that basis.

I see a week as plenty of time for 7 people to pick one person to attack, games like the Another Mafia Game I cited in one of the threads, we had 72 hrs for 16 of us to come to a decision as to who to lynch and though that may be too much for now, I think deadlines and their enforcement are a great way for activity to be ramped up. I can see it making sweat drip from your forehead.

Ok, edoc - back to the game - if not you for the guillotine then who would you suggest? Who in your eyes is the best target for a lynching?

This is a fair bit later and then I change my vote and is also after commander's 2nd comments.

[nagerous]

Seeing as this is going in circles, I'm fed up of arguing with you both, if someone wants to hammer me then just do it - a lynch is preferable to a no lynch, all the non-scum will lose at the end of the day is my respect (which I am sure you don't believe is worth two shits anyway). I'm not a power role anyway just a simple townie.

[edocsil]

I got personal, because you seemed to refuse to see things from my perspective at all and have already pre-judged that I am scum. I always try and look at things from every interpretation when playing mafia and it hurts when people think I must be acting scummy, at the end of the day maybe I got too involved but I wouldn't act this way if I was scum, especially in a c9 game like this with 7 players what would be the point of drawing so much attention to myself.

That is an answer I can live with. Unfortunately someone is going to die today, the past few pages have guaranteed that. All I know is my own role. As I have said I don't know if your lynch is the right one or not, an honestly if we had more time I wouldn't have placed votes on you or streaker.

[Commander9]

I got personal, because you seemed to refuse to see things from my perspective at all and have already pre-judged that I am scum. I always try and look at things from every interpretation when playing mafia and it hurts when people think I must be acting scummy, at the end of the day maybe I got too involved but I wouldn't act this way if I was scum, especially in a c9 game like this with 7 players what would be the point of drawing so much attention to myself.

So if someone refuses to see things the way you do, personal attacks are okay?

And you could also intentionally do that and have this defence? Risky? Yes. Highly effective? Likely. I'm not saying that you are scum Nag, but you've got to see from our perspective as well (see what I did here?) - I've seen good scum being really aggressive as well and managing to lead townies with their eyes shut (See Mandy). You're likely a town, but I will not discard the chance that you are not townie.

[edocsil]

God the WIFOM is flying hot and heavy here, this is why I play this game.

[Commander9]

Seeing as this is going in circles, I'm fed up of arguing with you both, if someone wants to hammer me then just do it - a lynch is preferable to a no lynch, all the non-scum will lose at the end of the day is my respect (which I am sure you don't believe is worth two shits anyway). I'm not a power role anyway just a simple townie.

We still got time - no one is hammering anyone... And again, personal attacks.. Nag, just chill, please.

[Commander9]

God the WIFOM is flying hot and heavy here, this is why I play this game.

Well, I know that this argument can be true sometimes - like you killed Dazey in SF and then argued that you wouldn't kill her, because it would make it too obvious against you and you got away with it.

[edocsil]

God the WIFOM is flying hot and heavy here, this is why I play this game.

Well, I know that this argument can be true sometimes - like you killed Dazey in SF and then argued that you wouldn't kill her, because it would make it too obvious against you and you got away with it.

Oh, it doesn't have anything to do what is actually going on right now, I just am referring to the fact that is whole game is sorting out what is true based on a persons actions and words, but they know that they are being cross examined and if they are good will do things to throw you off the proper track. Add in certain death for a misstep and it is the recipe for concentrated awesome.

[Commander9]

Oh, it doesn't have anything to do what is actually going on right now, I just am referring to the fact that is whole game is sorting out what is true based on a persons actions and words, but they know that they are being cross examined and if they are good will do things to throw you off the proper track. Add in certain death for a misstep and it is the recipe for concentrated awesome.

Well, we don't know that - Nag's definitely a good enough player to pull off something like that. I do, however, have to agree with you - this is much more enjoyable than most of the games with the power roles (for me, anyways).

[Streaker]

So essentially we have two possibilities here

Nag for being so pushy for a lynch towards edocsil
edocsil for being so defensive

Considering we have just over 24 hours, I'm going to go with unvote? vote nagerous

What makes nag a better target then edoc? I kind of agree with edoc though, but I don't know how to play this small game otherwise. A no lynch gives mafia a free kill, a lynch gives mafia a free kill but we possibly hang one of them before that.

If we do not lynch, there will be 1 player out by tomorrow (or there is a doc and he get's lucky). If we do lynch, there will be 2 players out by tomorrow. With 2 players out, chances of hitting mafia on Day2 are even better.
I don't see the benefit of dragging that out, other then having a day to conversate. But I believe that in such a small game, mafia will lay low. No reason for them to stick their neck out.

Furthermore, and this is the best I can come up with to lynch edoc, IF we lynch edoc, we will have information for tomorrow. Cena seems protective of edoc, so if edoc is scum we will have a next target. If edoc is town, it points towards cena being town. (thinking that mafia would help a town lynch rather then switching it to nag).

This actually makes sense, and I hope to get this lynch round before deadline. Edoc, it's nothing personal but we NEED the lynch.

The underlined part. With not much info to go on (unless the current conversation leads somewhere soon) it is not a bad idea to focus on math rather then tells. With a lynch we will get the info needed on the next day. Either scum and good for us, or town and we have the leads to persue.

Am I so wrong with this statement nobody bothers replying to it? If so, please tell me. Show me the way, lol

[Commander9]

The underlined part. With not much info to go on (unless the current conversation leads somewhere soon) it is not a bad idea to focus on math rather then tells. With a lynch we will get the info needed on the next day. Either scum and good for us, or town and we have the leads to persue.

Am I so wrong with this statement nobody bothers replying to it? If so, please tell me. Show me the way, lol

First of all, the assumption is wrong. If Edoc would turn out town, that doesn't mean Cena is town. Btw, Streaker, want to answer this?

Vio, Fir, and comm are awfully quiet for this game. They know the deadline, and don't seem to care. They have to be looked into.

Commander9 - 18 posts / Streaker - 11.

Gee, I go to sleep and I find this. Nice try to divert attention.

Unvote. Vote Streaker.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Question to the mod:

In case of a tie (ie 2 or 3 votes on more then 1 player), what happens? Both get the coinflip, or do you coinflip for the player that get's the coinflip?
Did that even make sense?

If it ends up a tie and the coinflip gives a lynch, then I will also coinflip for who is lynched. I don't anticipate that happening though.

Another Vote Count

fircoal (1) - Vio,
Nag (3) - Fircoal, cena, edoc
edoc (1) - streaker,
cena(1) - nag
streaker (1) - commander

with 7 alive, 4 to lynch. Deadline Saturday night

[VioIet]

Well, I know that this argument can be true sometimes - like you killed Dazey in SF and then argued that you wouldn't kill her, because it would make it too obvious against you and you got away with it.

I remember this. That alone is merit enough to put a vote on Edoc.

However, I am going to keep my vote on Fir.

Someone pointed out a few pages before, that in this case, scum would most likely lurk, not say anything too suspicious or out of the ordinary. That is exactly what Fir is doing. I also realize, that to a degree- this also convicts myself, as I haven't been very active. Although i think it looks worse than it is- my last post was 2 or 3 days ago. The game has moved to a whole nother level since then, with about 15 posts per day.

This vote on Fir can also look bad, because it doesn't really help the current situation.

So i guess i will be the bold one, maybe a bit reckless one to hammer. Somebody has to do it, and I would rather this happen, then a no lynch.

Unvote
Vote Nag

[Commander9]

I remember this. That alone is merit enough to put a vote on Edoc.

However, I am going to keep my vote on Fir.

Someone pointed out a few pages before, that in this case, scum would most likely lurk, not say anything too suspicious or out of the ordinary. That is exactly what Fir is doing. I also realize, that to a degree- this also convicts myself, as I haven't been very active. Although i think it looks worse than it is- my last post was 2 or 3 days ago. The game has moved to a whole nother level since then, with about 15 posts per day.

This vote on Fir can also look bad, because it doesn't really help the current situation.

So i guess i will be the bold one, maybe a bit reckless one to hammer. Somebody has to do it, and I would rather this happen, then a no lynch.

Unvote
Vote Nag

Errr... this post makes no sense?... You're talking about Fir, but then you hammer Nag?

[Mr. Squirrel]

Unvote
Vote Nag

That's a lynch! Scene coming shortly!