Dark Continent (Colonial Africa) [Quenched]

Victor Sullivan · Post by **Victor Sullivan** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:10 pm

natty_dread wrote:One thing is the dashed stripes... they look pasted on, since the shading lines don't go over the dashes like they do on the other colours...

True, but one step at a time

Gameplay first - cartos, may I ask what's holding this up?

thenobodies80 · Post by **thenobodies80** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:53 pm

Considering the technique you're going to use on this map and the effort/time you're going to put onto it, I have to warn you about the color you're going to use.
See how it looks for colorblind people:

colorblind test

Let me say that if it was my map I would focus more on the African continent without the Ottoman and Russian part, but probably it's just a personal preference.

Could you please update your first post so everyone can have a clear idea of your current gameplay? (I ask because the artistic version shows some difference from the computer image in the OP)

Thanks in advance
Nobodies

RjBeals · Post by **RjBeals** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:32 pm

natty_dread wrote:Nice! Do I see influence from RjBeals' style there?

hah.. i think it looks nice so far.

The Bison King · Post by **The Bison King** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:55 pm

One thing is the dashed stripes... they look pasted on, since the shading lines don't go over the dashes like they do on the other colours...

Working on it.

Could you please update your first post so everyone can have a clear idea of your current gameplay? (I ask because the artistic version shows some difference from the computer image in the OP)

Working on it. I'll have a full new version up soon.

Considering the technique you're going to use on this map and the effort/time you're going to put onto it, I have to warn you about the color you're going to use.
See how it looks for colorblind people:

I can always mess with the color's later. BTW this has all been on the computer so far, I haven't touched paint or paper. Even if I had though modifying color's is still very easy to do on a traditionally colored map, in the computer.

The Bison King · Post by **The Bison King** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:32 am

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Here's the new version. How are we liking this. I think I made the legend a lot more concise by adding the bonus add on's onto the mini map.

thenobodies80 · Post by **thenobodies80** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:16 pm

The Bison King · Post by **The Bison King** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:48 pm

Yay!

First things to be worked on:

Territory names
adding Impassable's
Bonus Values

Industrial Helix · Post by **Industrial Helix** » Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:45 pm

I've got a good knowledge of African geography... if you like, send me the psd file and I'll swap the names out for you. I think it would be too much to just list them all.

The Bison King · Post by **The Bison King** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:40 am

Industrial Helix wrote:I've got a good knowledge of African geography... if you like, send me the psd file and I'll swap the names out for you. I think it would be too much to just list them all.

Sounds good to me, go ahead and PM me your email address and I can pass that along to you.

The Bison King · Post by **The Bison King** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:01 pm

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Ok here's where I'm at at this moment. I'm currently waiting on IH to send me a version with revised territory names. In the mean time I made a few small changes here that can be easily dropped into the IH's new Version. I added a big Impassable Sand Dune over present day Camaroon and Nigeria, and I've also made all European Colonial power territories +1 auto deploys. I did this because I don't want players to waste all their troops defending their European territories rather than dukeing it out in Africa. I figure if it's a +1 auto deploy most of the work is done for them.

natty dread · Post by **natty dread** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:18 am

You must be in love with this font...

The Bison King · Post by **The Bison King** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:26 pm

natty_dread wrote:You must be in love with this font...

Yeah I do, but I'll probably end up changing it at some point.

Here's the version IH revised:

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Industrial Helix · Post by **Industrial Helix** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:17 am

Hmm yeah... hope you don't mind my hack job over in the Ottoman Empire.

The Bison King · Post by **The Bison King** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:42 am

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Ok here's my restructure based on IH's Revisions. Arabia is now it's own independant non-bonus region. I also went ahead and made a few more name changes. Also I added another Immpassable in the Ethiopia area. Maybe I'm going mad with immpassable's what do you guys think?

Teflon Kris · Post by **Teflon Kris** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:16 pm

The Bison King wrote:
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Ok here's my restructure based on IH's Revisions. Arabia is now it's own independant non-bonus region. I also went ahead and made a few more name changes. Also I added another Immpassable in the Ethiopia area. Maybe I'm going mad with immpassable's what do you guys think?

I'm an impassables fan - you could always use the River Niger too .

The Bison King · Post by **The Bison King** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:44 am

DJ Teflon wrote: I'm an impassables fan - you could always use the River Niger too .

How about the Nile?

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The Bison King · Post by **The Bison King** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:49 am

I'm definitely splitting Sudan into 2 territories (as it is want to do) I'm either going to do the traditional North South split, or let the Nile River split it. Right now I'm preferring the Nile split, what do you guys think?

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natty dread · Post by **natty dread** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:55 am

Nile split is better.

The Bison King · Post by **The Bison King** » Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:41 pm

natty_dread wrote:Nile split is better.

Agreed.

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Here's the new version. Yeah I know I'm updating on a Saturday night, maybe I didn't have plans, wanna fight about it?! It's not like I'm not already a little bit drunk despite the fact that I've already established I'm at home by myself Ugh let's see, so many changes.

OK obviously there are some superficial modifications like the borders and lines of latitude and longitude. I made British Somalia a pure british territory like Gold coast. You only get +1 with England. Eritrea as well. It's Italian but it's only worth +1 with Italy. This separated Puntland and Mogadishu from Eritrea so I bumped that down to +1 by itself and +2 with Italy.

Also in the legend I separated the note about single region bonuses for visual simplicity.

I also made the Colonial Powers territories text White so that they are more instantly recognizable.

Industrial Helix · Post by **Industrial Helix** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:43 pm

Now that Libya is all over the news I did some reading up on its history... apparently the Italians only took it from the Ottomans in 1911-1912. If it's 19th Century Africa you're going for, you ought to strip it Ottoman Green.

The Bison King · Post by **The Bison King** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 4:45 pm

Industrial Helix wrote:Now that Libya is all over the news I did some reading up on its history... apparently the Italians only took it from the Ottomans in 1911-1912. If it's 19th Century Africa you're going for, you ought to strip it Ottoman Green.

1914 is the date I'm basing this off of.

$nakeface · Post by **$nakeface** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:01 am

if it's 1914 you should mention that on the map somewhere imo. also since it's 1914, you might want to make morocco french, given IH's post.

also i like all the impassables, but it could be cool if the gray areas were unplayable or had some bonus value of their own, though how that would be done i have no idea. as is it seems like they're just taking up space.

and if i didn't catch this forgive me, but will the colonizers be default starting positions?

TaCktiX · Post by **TaCktiX** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:53 am

A couple clarification notes:
- The use of the black/red counterpoint doesn't set them apart enough. While it's clear (mostly), it also looks cluttered. Perhaps try (parentheses) for the colonial bonus, or otherwise distinguish the additional bonus.
- You mean "can attack or be attacked by" for that section, though "borders" works just as well and takes up less space.

The Bison King · Post by **The Bison King** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:07 pm

if it's 1914 you should mention that on the map somewhere imo. also since it's 1914, you might want to make morocco french, given IH's post.

hmm... I see. You're probably right then. I'm just worried about adding yet another territory to the already bloated West French Africa bonus. It's already sort of and "asia" I'm afraid adding another territory will make it a "super asia" maybe if I could combine 2 regions... but then again it really wouldn't increase the amount of borders since it would replace Algeria as a border & Algeria would become and an internal territory to the bonus.

it could be cool if the gray areas were unplayable or had some bonus value of their own, though how that would be done i have no idea. as is it seems like they're just taking up space.

I can't make them a bonus because that wouldn't make sense, and I can't make them impassable because they are needed as passage ways. Most of them are good strategic points. Ethiopia gaurds 2 bonuses from the west. Arabia defends 4 territories, Russia connects the Ottomans with Europe. Austria-Hungay and Greece are a little redundant though. I would happily combine them if I had some sort of historical reason.

and if i didn't catch this forgive me, but will the colonizers be default starting positions?

Yes, all players are guaranteed to start with at least 1 colonial tert.

A couple clarification notes:
- The use of the black/red counterpoint doesn't set them apart enough. While it's clear (mostly), it also looks cluttered. Perhaps try (parentheses) for the colonial bonus, or otherwise distinguish the additional bonus.
- You mean "can attack or be attacked by" for that section, though "borders" works just as well and takes up less space.

Good suggestions, both of them

Victor Sullivan · Post by **Victor Sullivan** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:53 pm

Looks A-OK gameplay-wise. You just need bonus area names. There are some obvious graphical concerns, but I won't go into them now.

(*The crowd cheers, "Yay! Sully's back from his week - or whatever - hiatus!"*)

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