POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 7 Town Win! Premium goes to Sully

[edocsil]

Comm's post was quite aggressive/defensive. I assume he is frustrated about something, either by being outed as scum so early on or that it is possible that he will be forced to claim and has a role that sucks to claim, i.e doc.

In I suspect the primary, Vote Commander

[Commander9]

@Commander

Partially metagaming reasons...

Besides that, you have voted three or four different people, and you basically play devil's advocate with anything ANYBODY says. Every time someone makes an insinuation or accusation, no matter WHO it is on, you jump in to post a contrary statement. You may agree with somebody once or twice, but you are ALWAYS disagreeing. It makes you seem like you are just trying to misdirect everyone, as opposed to progress the game- which is what you claim you are always doing.

First of all, all of the people that I voted, barring Streaker, were on the joke vote stage, so they don't matter. Also, I didn't really countered everything said, but I think I've countered everything that was obviously false to me. I can't stand to see a person intentionally misusing logic - sorry for that.

The tone of this post really caught me off-guard. I don't think I've ever seen you as aggressive, but it's not even aggressive towards theories like I sometimes am, this is borderline personal attacks.

Dunno, what to think about this, FOS worthy at the very least.
I wanna re-read your posts before I commit to a vote though.

Just remember Briarsburg and Herk - if a person is attacking me in a rather bad way (In my opinion anyways), I will respond aggressively.

Lol, no silly, I am saying that calling others out for "classic" scumtells, when you know that person is town, would also be a scum maneuver. One of the best weapons for scum is to sow confusion and spread mistrust on others. That is very easy to do.

You were saying to go after an inactive is scummy (it can be--but it's very obvious). To go after Victor for inactivity is another story. To see person A going after Victor for inactivity is an opportunity.

-Tails

And Victor was an example. I saw some people taking an opportunity and jumping on inactivity on Day 1, when it was CLEARLY said that there are replacements for inactive ones.

Comm's post was quite aggressive/defensive. I assume he is frustrated about something, either by being outed as scum so early on or that it is possible that he will be forced to claim and has a role that sucks to claim, i.e doc.

In I suspect the primary, Vote Commander

Of course I am frustrated - I've pointed out what people were doing and instead of getting a thanks, I get a pistol by my head supported by false arguments. Remember yourself in Nostalgia - and you were just as frustrated and defencive.

[nagerous]

Apologies to those who feel that my contributions have been ineffective as of yet, I haven't seen much that has really struck me as particularly scummy. It is the usual characters that are laying low and the other usual characters who are posting regularly and writing long-drawn out posts.

Personally, I haven't seen any cases that strike me as having real merit, firstly I hoped that the Victor wagon would have picked up a bit before it was ultimately shut down, in an 21 player game, when I posted the jump the bandwagon picture my aim was to see who would land a 6th or 7th vote on the fella with the sparse evidence and ultimately the fact that he was not contributing. I see the cases from both sides, streaker could be attacked for perhaps his overzealous 4th vote and I can understand why people might see commander's actions where he came out and defended Victor and jumping the gun as slightly scummy in nature. I am not particularly comfortable with commander's wagon either and I can appreciate how he might be feeling/getting antagonised by the attacks on him.

Personally, Strike whilst making a decent post talking about various people, he seems to be un-nerved by a lot of people's behaviour, which haven't found un-nerving at all. There is very little really to go on in a day one, and I think that a lot of people seem to be hunting for scum-tells too hard when there isn't really anything that I can see. It also seems he criticises some people for inactivity when ignoring others who haven't been exactly very active either, iliad, pancake and got tonka spring to mind.

I think the best post and analysis albeit a short one has come from a short post from got tonka and I do think there is more of a case at this current moment in time on VioIet than Commander so at the moment I am going to Unvote vote Vio and also FOS Strike Wolf

[Fircoal]

I'm not sure I get this, Streaker is being opportunistic and jumping on wagons that he feels he should jump on, Commander is being aggressive reacting strongly to what people dish out at him, Strike is making long posts that seem to make no sense, Voilet is just making no sense, Mandy is making crazy theories that aren't very grounded in reality, AD is playing the antagonist role, Nagerous is taking a more outside approach acting like the know-it all of mafia with his true statements, and Victor is doing nothing and saying that he'll do stuff later. Now please inform me, HOW IS THIS ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU EXPECTED! Seriously I don't see where half of these scum tells are really coming from, honestly this sounds like a circle jerk session of grasping at straws. Even the idea of people voting me for lurking or what not is grasping at straws, if you haven't noticed, I haven't been around much lately. I've even actually missed a couple of turns! Yea I was lurking, it's something that both sides do. I'm not going to deny that I could have posted but I decided not to. However I read up on the game. Thusly I have been hear playing the whole time. It may be annoying but it's still a valid strategy. Though it does poise no real purpose for town factions, it's still a strat. So is me not talking much scummy? Yea probably. However it was mainly done cause I'm lazy. Besides this is Day 1, honestly it doesn't matter that much at the time I wasn't talking. We have 20 other people that could just as well come up with stuffs.

Anyway the main point of this argument is this: Tell me how is anyone acting differently than you'd expect? And maybe then someone will have a valid case that people besides the next couple posters will care about.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

Mandy(2)- PCM, Fircoal
Fircoal(2)-Falkomagno, Mr. Squirrel
got tonkaed(1)- Iliad
Falkomagno(1)-/
Nagerous(1)- got tonkaed
edocsil(1)- Saxlad
Commander9(5)- VioIet, mandy, tails, strike wolf, edocsil
Streaker(2)- Commander9, Haggis
VioIet(3)- freezie, Mass Miracle, nagerous
strike wolf(1)- Victor

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline is on March 31st.

The rum be running out guys, might be about time to keep an eye on the deadline.

[edocsil]

Of course I am frustrated - I've pointed out what people were doing and instead of getting a thanks, I get a pistol by my head supported by false arguments. Remember yourself in Nostalgia - and you were just as frustrated and defencive.

Yes, but you really should have hung me, at least from you point of view. I had the most (weak) scumtells, and a fair bit could have been learned from my lynch. That being said I am rather glad you didn't. Here at least you can claim and defend yourself, there I couldn't. Flavor analysis FTW.

[freezie]

On the other side of things I would agree for the most part that streaker's vote on victor stood out more than the other 3. Nag and edoc's votes seemed to be slightly more along the line of joke votes with a bit of serious reasoning behind them and my main goal was mostly to get victor to pay some attention to this thread which hopefully I've succeeded in time will tell. Streaker seemed to follow along the more serious reasoning and he did seem to hint along the lines that he wanted the wagon to build more and jumped on the wagon when it seemed to be gaining a bit of steam. So yes I find that more interesting than Edoc or Nag's vote. small FOS streaker

Re-reading the thread this post struck me a little..Looking back at the Victor's wagon, streaker's vote was legit enough to be there ( Victor WAS inactive after all ) and honestly, it should have been serious.

You didn't really voted him..but it does seem odd to my eyes...

unvote

Vote: Strike


Although I need to point I will NOT trust Vio and Falko anytime soon..

[Commander9]

Yes, but you really should have hung me, at least from you point of view. I had the most (weak) scumtells, and a fair bit could have been learned from my lynch. That being said I am rather glad you didn't. Here at least you can claim and defend yourself, there I couldn't. Flavor analysis FTW.

Probably so, but what I'm saying is that you know exactly what kind of situation I'm in. I'm aggressive and I point something that I don't agree with - like that's something new? What's more, in this game everything that I've pointed out was true, yet people quickly start making false assumptions and conclusions. I honestly can't understand why anyone would be surprised at me being aggressive or frustrated.

As far as claiming and flavours go, yes, I agree with you. However, I also don't really going to claims so early on, especially if ends like Sax's mafia, with friggin 90% of the people claimed by Day 1 - takes away all the fun.

Although I need to point I will NOT trust Vio and Falko anytime soon..

Well, technically, you're not supposed to trust anyone unless you KNOW their alignment.

[Falkomagno]

unvote vote thesaxlad So far a useless player

[edocsil]

unvote vote thesaxlad So far a useless player

You should have seen how fast he got lynched as the mafia GF in my BP mafia.

[VioIet]

Unfortunately, most of us have just been showing up and making shallow comments based on the few posts above us. There isn't much else that can be done except for just random voting.

So far, I find each person accusing one other person of doing something that irritates the first player. Whether it be accusing someone of lurking, making pointless posts, or questioning activity.

Everyone here looks pretty guilty to me, honestly, and I would have little trouble throwing a vote around, but I don't plan on doing that just yet. Why? Because people are using votes against the people that made them. If it were my ability to do so, I would vote for Commander, Nagerous, AND Victor. But since I can't, I'm gonna wait to see what cases are made against these people and by these people.

Everyone always says I play scummy, so I'll do better and try to take care of business, but it means I will post less, as I'm not gonna have someone jump on me for these little irritations that people can find.

Hmm.

They say that scum are afraid to post- because they don't want to give away any scum tells. A common reason for scum lurking.
This post just strikes me a suspicious.
And besides, you did kill me in Albarezzi. Just judging from how active you were in that game- and how laid-back you are in this game- seems to be a big contrast.

FOS Anark

unvote vote thesaxlad So far a useless player

You should have seen how fast he got lynched as the mafia GF in my BP mafia.

I don't really see what that has to do with anything so far this game. Are you insinuating that sax...lad is the GF, so he is refraining from positing so that he wont say anything wrong. How do you know? I just get the feeling that there is more to this comment than meets the eye.

[edocsil]

You should have seen how fast he got lynched as the mafia GF in my BP mafia.

I don't really see what that has to do with anything so far this game. Are you insinuating that sax...lad is the GF, so he is refraining from positing so that he wont say anything wrong. How do you know? I just get the feeling that there is more to this comment than meets the eye.

Just saying he might be keeping his mouth shut, casue last time he was head honcho scum he got axed mighty fast. No idea if he is one now, he just might try to lay a bit lower this game.

[TheSaxlad]

You should have seen how fast he got lynched as the mafia GF in my BP mafia.

I don't really see what that has to do with anything so far this game. Are you insinuating that sax...lad is the GF, so he is refraining from positing so that he wont say anything wrong. How do you know? I just get the feeling that there is more to this comment than meets the eye.

Just saying he might be keeping his mouth shut, casue last time he was head honcho scum he got axed mighty fast. No idea if he is one now, he just might try to lay a bit lower this game.

Now come on thats really not fair. The only reason i was lynched in PB was because I didnt know role flavours. I know POTC, and Im not going to be doing that again.

[/b]unvote vote falco[/b] for being an donkey.

[TheSaxlad]

ebwop unvote vote falco

[Fircoal]

You should have seen how fast he got lynched as the mafia GF in my BP mafia.

I don't really see what that has to do with anything so far this game. Are you insinuating that sax...lad is the GF, so he is refraining from positing so that he wont say anything wrong. How do you know? I just get the feeling that there is more to this comment than meets the eye.

Just saying he might be keeping his mouth shut, casue last time he was head honcho scum he got axed mighty fast. No idea if he is one now, he just might try to lay a bit lower this game.

Now come on thats really not fair. The only reason i was lynched in PB was because I didnt know role flavours. I know POTC, and Im not going to be doing that again.

[/b]unvote vote falco[/b] for being an donkey.

You got lynched for not knowing role flavors? That sounds odd, I mean I play most of my games with no idea about the theme, even this game. Hasn't really effected me all too much.

[VioIet]

Just saying he might be keeping his mouth shut, cause last time he was head honcho scum he got axed mighty fast. No idea if he is one now, he just might try to lay a bit lower this game.

Ah okay, I understand now

[/b]unvote vote falco[/b] for being an donkey.

For being a donkey? WTH! That doesn't seem nice. If that is a reference to something else- I don't get it.


And Fir, sometimes role flavors due matter when it comes to mason groups- which is what sax claimed in BP. But if you know the movie well (which I don't), supposedly there aren't any mason groups.

[Anarkistsdream]

All I have read so far on this page is metagaming. Violet reacting to my different gaming style in this game. Edoc talking about saxlad as the GF in another game. And then a great OMGUS vote from saxlad back to falko.

Violet, I think I posted very intelligently in this thread so far. I am not gonna post just to write one sentence retorts or insinuations.

My problem is I have a tendency to get on late at night while I am inebriated and try to play, which is never a good idea. So, I have thought it through and decided that I am going to start posting less, but with more substance. I'd say it is a good trade off.

And considering that, especially during day 1, a misinterpretation of a post is usually the reason someone gets lynched, I want to not allow myself to be misinterpreted.

Now, as far as people on here go. Honestly Saxlad, why would you vote Falko for making the statement he did? Sure, it is offensive, but maybe he is just goading you- apparently not a hard thing to do. You make yourself look way worse for voting him back, especially when the reason you give is him being A donkey. By the way, it's A donkey, not AN donkey.

So, as much as I hate to do it, I'm also going to
Vote Saxlad

[edocsil]

...A donkey. By the way, it's A donkey, not AN donkey.

So, as much as I hate to do it, I'm also going to
Vote Saxlad

It was a clever way to call him an ass without actually doing it. Hence the AN. I thought it was funny, but no one else seemed to catch on...

[TheSaxlad]

...A donkey. By the way, it's A donkey, not AN donkey.

So, as much as I hate to do it, I'm also going to
Vote Saxlad

It was a clever way to call him an ass without actually doing it. Hence the AN. I thought it was funny, but no one else seemed to catch on...

Oh and nark, by the way thats whats called a Joke omgus vote.

unvote falko

To be honest I have no idea who to vote, everyone seems to be playing very tightly, probably the premium prize available. However it might be worth seeing who the inactives are and why they are inactive at this stage.

[Commander9]

Got to agree with edocsil here - I thought it was pretty funny as well.

Also, I'm liking Nark v2.0, but all this effort is making me a bit suspicious.

Also, personally, this doesn't look anything different from the way Vio usually plays, so I'm not extremely suspicious of her.

[strike wolf]

On the other side of things I would agree for the most part that streaker's vote on victor stood out more than the other 3. Nag and edoc's votes seemed to be slightly more along the line of joke votes with a bit of serious reasoning behind them and my main goal was mostly to get victor to pay some attention to this thread which hopefully I've succeeded in time will tell. Streaker seemed to follow along the more serious reasoning and he did seem to hint along the lines that he wanted the wagon to build more and jumped on the wagon when it seemed to be gaining a bit of steam. So yes I find that more interesting than Edoc or Nag's vote. small FOS streaker

Re-reading the thread this post struck me a little..Looking back at the Victor's wagon, streaker's vote was legit enough to be there ( Victor WAS inactive after all ) and honestly, it should have been serious.

You didn't really voted him..but it does seem odd to my eyes...

unvote

Vote: Strike


Although I need to point I will NOT trust Vio and Falko anytime soon..

Don't know what you really expect me to say. I've already said at least once that I am being aggressive in this game. I believe this is going to prove to be a game where there are a lot of roles whose exact win conditions are at least slightly questionable (Barbossa comes to mind) and behavior analysis is going to be of particular importance. Have I been overzealous? I guess it's possible yeah but I came into this game with a clear idea of how I wanted to act and the reaction I wanted from it. At this point I'm not completely disappointed with the levels of discussion its received

[Anarkistsdream]

Got to agree with edocsil here - I thought it was pretty funny as well.

Also, I'm liking Nark v2.0, but all this effort is making me a bit suspicious.

Also, personally, this doesn't look anything different from the way Vio usually plays, so I'm not extremely suspicious of her.

You'll be seeing it in every game, so I am glad you do... No need to be suspicious. Just trying to be as good of a player as people like you and Nagerous and a few others.

[freezie]

Got to agree with edocsil here - I thought it was pretty funny as well.

Also, I'm liking Nark v2.0, but all this effort is making me a bit suspicious.

Also, personally, this doesn't look anything different from the way Vio usually plays, so I'm not extremely suspicious of her.

You'll be seeing it in every game, so I am glad you do... No need to be suspicious. Just trying to be as good of a player as people like you and Nagerous and a few others.

Like him? If you're scum, by all means continue on the road you engaged yourself on....If you're town..go get yourself drunk and come back to Anark 1.0 XD

for those who didn't catch it..it's a joke.

[VioIet]

Don't know what you really expect me to say. I've already said at least once that I am being aggressive in this game. I believe this is going to prove to be a game where there are a lot of roles whose exact win conditions are at least slightly questionable (Barbossa comes to mind) and behavior analysis is going to be of particular importance. Have I been overzealous? I guess it's possible yeah but I came into this game with a clear idea of how I wanted to act and the reaction I wanted from it. At this point I'm not completely disappointed with the levels of discussion its received

QFT. I second this.

Also, I'm liking Nark v2.0, but all this effort is making me a bit suspicious.

QFT

Also, personally, this doesn't look anything different from the way Vio usually plays, so I'm not extremely suspicious of her.

Why thank you

It was a clever way to call him an ass without actually doing it. Hence the AN. I thought it was funny, but no one else seemed to catch on...

That is just so completely not funny.
Glad edoc and com got a kick.

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I suppose out of all the current cases fir's makes the most sense to me, I might be just a bit meta-biased because I can pretty much make the same case on him as I did in buffy mafia.
I dislike how essentially all his posts are about his activity, it seems oddly defensive. I like his second latest post, at least it offers some commentary, albeit it's still summing up the same "nothing to go on yet" we've been hearing from several other players and it ended in the same "why doesn't someone contribute" that he used against vic's inactivity and streaker in buffy, despite his own vote still being on his first joke vote of the day even though we have under a week's time to get something done, it seems like a fair enough possible scumariner "don't care who gets lynched or if we get a lynch done" tell.
I'll unvote vote fir