Discussion: Does Yahweh really love us?

[notyou2]

I think natty is anti-stupid

[john9blue]

I think natty is anti-stupid

except he's currently arguing with a non-stupid person, so he doesn't fit my definition

[BigBallinStalin]

natty, I was asking, not hounding. I told you from whence I got my moral code, and so inquired about the origin of yours. Just asking.
Juan_Bottom, thanks for pointing out the obvious to people who already knew all about it. It was fun to scroll through it.
John9Blue, so you like to study the behavior of atheists?

You realize that you believe in the Bible at the same time that you know it's bullshit? That makes no sense. It shows a human weakness that I cannot begin to understand.

Because of my sinful nature I would have to assume my morals would go down the drain if I lost my faith, hypothetically.
So since you're not answering, I'm assuming your moral code was taught to you by your parents?

This isn't true. There have actually been dozens of books that I'm aware of all published on human nature and our universal moral code. Isolated tribes in the Brazilian rain forest have exactly the same morals that you do.

What about cannabislistic and cannibalistic societies?

[shieldgenerator7]

Juan_Bottom, I realize some poeple disbelieve in the Bible, but despite that, I still believe in it. Whether or not some people out there think the Bible is fact or not has no impact on whether or not I believe in the Bible, which I do. Does that help you begin to understand this "human weakness"?

[Juan_Bottom]

Juan_Bottom, I realize some poeple disbelieve in the Bible, but despite that, I still believe in it. Whether or not some people out there think the Bible is fact or not has no impact on whether or not I believe in the Bible, which I do. Does that help you begin to understand this "human weakness"?

I'm not saying that some people believe that the Bible is full of lies and misdirection. My position is that is an established fact that the Bible is full of lies and misdirection. You said that you already knew that, but believe in it anyway. Since you know about these lies, I can only assume that you believe in the Bible because you want to believe in the Bible. And for no other reason. That is a human weakness.

What about cannabislistic and cannibalistic societies?

Are you talking about ones that murder people just to eat them, ones that murder people to avoid starving, or ones that eat dead relatives to get closer to their Gods? Obviously learned behaviors and mental illnesses and defects will all play a role. Christians have been known to eat people.
If you're talking about the Kulina tribe (had to google the spelling) all the evidence points to some kind of serial killer homicide.

[shieldgenerator7]

Christians eating people? Not all Christians do that... in fact, I can't think of one who does.

[tkr4lf]

Christians eating people? Not all Christians do that... in fact, I can't think of one who does.

Nonsense! Don't you partake of the sacrament? Your church performs communion, correct?

You eat the body of Christ everytime you have communion. That is the definition of cannibalism. You crazy christians with your drinking of blood and eating of the flesh!

[Juan_Bottom]

In addition to being fastposted by tkr

Christians eating people? Not all Christians do that... in fact, I can't think of one who does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_Party

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguayan_ ... Flight_571

And there's Cannibalism on a large scale during the Siege of Leningrad.

People do what they have to do to survive sometimes. It doesn't matter where they are from or what religion they belong too. A Christian is just as likely to eat a man as an Atheist, given the same conditions. That's just more evidence that morality is evolutionary and not Biblical.

[shieldgenerator7]

You calling us cannibals because of communion?! What?! That just shows what little you understand of Christianity. (no offense, brother )

[john9blue]

christians believe jesus was human and divine, right? those sects of christianity that believe in transubstantiation would technically be engaging in cannibalism. just more support for moral relativism- even cannibalism can be a good thing.

[tkr4lf]

You calling us cannibals because of communion?! What?! That just shows what little you understand of Christianity. (no offense, brother )

Hahaha...it was a joke, brother. I understand that communion is all symbolic. No, you're not actually eating the body of Christ. You're eating wafers that represent his body and drinking grape juice (or wine if you're a catholic) that represents his blood. Still, you should step back a little and realize how absurd that sounds to someone who may have never heard of christian doctrine before.

But I used to be a christian. My dad is hardcore christian. I understand plenty about Christianity. Which is why I stepped away from it and am no longer a believer. Brother.

[BigBallinStalin]

What about cannabislistic and cannibalistic societies?

Are you talking about ones that murder people just to eat them, ones that murder people to avoid starving, or ones that eat dead relatives to get closer to their Gods? Obviously learned behaviors and mental illnesses and defects will all play a role. Christians have been known to eat people.
If you're talking about the Kulina tribe (had to google the spelling) all the evidence points to some kind of serial killer homicide.

What's this? No mention of cannabislistic societies?

[natty dread]

What's this? No mention of cannabislistic societies?

I think cannabilicious societies have the same morals as every one else, except their morals allow them to get high and not feel guilty about it.

I wish I'd belong to one.

[2dimes]

Gotcha. Are you also lazy intellectually?

Probably.

[Symmetry]

You calling us cannibals because of communion?! What?! That just shows what little you understand of Christianity. (no offense, brother )

Hmm- there's plenty of historical evidence for Christians calling each other cannibals. Protestant accusations against Catholics often used to take that line as a way of mocking a certain type of Christian belief.

So really, it's not a lack of understanding of Christianity, more a continuation of the kind of internal bickering that divides Christianity.

[Juan_Bottom]

If you simply look up Cannibalism on Wikipedia you can learn all sorts of stuff. The French are sickos.

[tkr4lf]

If you simply look up Cannibalism on Wikipedia you can learn all sorts of stuff. The French are sickos.

Could of told you that without a wikipedia article.

[shieldgenerator7]

i'm not a cannibal myself, and I can't think of one person who is. certainly it happens sometimes, but it really does make me sick

[Symmetry]

i'm not a cannibal myself, and I can't think of one person who is. certainly it happens sometimes, but it really does make me sick

Do you consider Catholic Christians to be cannibals when they take Mass? Catholic Christians believe that the bread becomes the body of Christ, and the wine His blood during the ceremony.

Does that make you sick?

[shieldgenerator7]

i'm not a cannibal myself, and I can't think of one person who is. certainly it happens sometimes, but it really does make me sick

Do you consider Catholic Christians to be cannibals when they take Mass? Catholic Christians believe that the bread becomes the body of Christ, and the wine His blood during the ceremony.

Does that make you sick?

er, no. does it make you sick?

[Symmetry]

i'm not a cannibal myself, and I can't think of one person who is. certainly it happens sometimes, but it really does make me sick

Do you consider Catholic Christians to be cannibals when they take Mass? Catholic Christians believe that the bread becomes the body of Christ, and the wine His blood during the ceremony.

Does that make you sick?

er, no. does it make you sick?

Me- not at all. I'm an atheist, but also an historian. It's interesting when debates like this turn up. You took issue with the accusation about cannibalism and immediately suggested Communion, which is purely symbolic. Mass is not, or at least not in the same way.

Christians have used accusations of cannibalism against each other for a long time. Suggesting that an accusation of cannibalism was a misunderstanding of Christianity was, of course, itself a misunderstanding of Christianity, at least in any historical sense. What it is to you now, God only knows.

[shieldgenerator7]

ok. yes, I understand that during communion the bread is the body of Christ and the wine (we actually use grape juice) is the blood of Christ. But to me, that's not cannibalism. That's honoring a sacrifice.
I have delved into the history of Christianity but not with a focus on cannibalism. In any given topic, there are so many aspects of it that it is hard to cover it all.
Yes it is interesting to see an aetheist's point of view on cannibalism and Christianity. Thanks for your opinion.

[Juan_Bottom]

If you simply look up Cannibalism on Wikipedia you can learn all sorts of stuff. The French are sickos.

Could of told you that without a wikipedia article.

Erm, I think I deleted a sentence there without realizing it or something....
It was supposed to say 'people of all faiths, even Christian, have been eating people for a long time.' I swear, anytime I don't review my posts I do something like this.

[Symmetry]

ok. yes, I understand that during communion the bread is the body of Christ and the wine (we actually use grape juice) is the blood of Christ. But to me, that's not cannibalism. That's honoring a sacrifice.
I have delved into the history of Christianity but not with a focus on cannibalism. In any given topic, there are so many aspects of it that it is hard to cover it all.
Yes it is interesting to see an aetheist's point of view on cannibalism and Christianity. Thanks for your opinion.

You do understand though, that for Catholic Christians they're not drinking grape juice? Or wine? It's the actual blood of Christ. And the bread becomes His body?

It's not symbolic.

[shieldgenerator7]

i don't find it cannibalism, do you?