Chris Nolan Mafia - Game Over [ARCHIVE]

[TA1LGUNN3R]

That and the lack of dusk.

-Tails

[spiesr]

That and the lack of dusk.

Well, it looks like a day kill to me. At this point we can't tell if it was from a town aligned day vig trying to be helpful by killing people who were going to be lynched, or a scum or third party killer trying to look like the former.

NAG (examining the corpse): Asphyxiation. By choking.
COMM: But how do you explain these?
Commander lifts up Shield's head to reveal two slits in his cheeks. They continue their search and find a badge.

I have only seen Memento, Inception, and the Batman movies; can someone more familiar with Nolan's other work tell me if this method of death relates to any particular character?

Third party cop? Have to say I didn't see that one coming.

I agree that it is an odd role, but it seems to fit the character pretty well. I wonder what third party it is. Survivor, or someone with a specific task that they need to accomplish to win perhaps?

[safariguy5]

That and the lack of dusk.

Well, it looks like a day kill to me. At this point we can't tell if it was from a town aligned day vig trying to be helpful by killing people who were going to be lynched, or a scum or third party killer trying to look like the former.

NAG (examining the corpse): Asphyxiation. By choking.
COMM: But how do you explain these?
Commander lifts up Shield's head to reveal two slits in his cheeks. They continue their search and find a badge.

I have only seen Memento, Inception, and the Batman movies; can someone more familiar with Nolan's other work tell me if this method of death relates to any particular character?

Third party cop? Have to say I didn't see that one coming.

I agree that it is an odd role, but it seems to fit the character pretty well. I wonder what third party it is. Survivor, or someone with a specific task that they need to accomplish to win perhaps?

How about the joker with his knives? Slits in the cheek=glasgow smile.

[edocsil]

I almost raged at the mod for giving a noob the cop role, but he isn't town so meh. Better off without him, sucks to lose any cop, but he was really going to waste our time.

So that wasn't a lynch, is that what we agree? Odd for the use of a DK, perhaps some sort of executioner. Might pay to be careful with the L-1s till we know for sure.

[safariguy5]

In fact, with the title Getting Serious...

Why so serious?

[spiesr]

How about the joker with his knives? Slits in the cheek=glasgow smile.

In fact, with the title Getting Serious...
Why so serious?

Indeed, that does seem to make sense. Don't know why I didn't pick up on that part earlier. So if it is the joker then it is almost certainly an anti-town role of some sort. If this turns out to be the case then it kinda sucks for the person playing him. I mean the way they made this kill it seems like they may have been going for a plan where they claim to be pro-town killing those who would be lynched to sort of give an extra lynch. If the scene points to the kill being made by the joker though, then that would shoot that plan to hell as claiming to be the joker as a benevolent third party is a suicide move. On a somewhat related note, do you think that the scum were given fake claims? With six films and a sequel to draw from it seems like it wouldn't be too hard to come up with 11 characters who are not obviously scum. Something we might want to keep in mind as people start to claim.

With 10 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Is this an error?

[safariguy5]

How about the joker with his knives? Slits in the cheek=glasgow smile.

In fact, with the title Getting Serious...
Why so serious?

Indeed, that does seem to make sense. Don't know why I didn't pick up on that part earlier. So if it is the joker then it is almost certainly an anti-town role of some sort. If this turns out to be the case then it kinda sucks for the person playing him. I mean the way they made this kill it seems like they may have been going for a plan where they claim to be pro-town killing those who would be lynched to sort of give an extra lynch. If the scene points to the kill being made by the joker though, then that would shoot that plan to hell as claiming to be the joker as a benevolent third party is a suicide move. On a somewhat related note, do you think that the scum were given fake claims? With six films and a sequel to draw from it seems like it wouldn't be too hard to come up with 11 characters who are not obviously scum. Something we might want to keep in mind as people start to claim.

With 10 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Is this an error?

I definitely think the possibility of fake claims is there. As with Tarantino, there is definitely enough material to make some convincing claims and enough ambiguity to have some borderline characters. I think Harvey Dent/Two Face could go either way in terms of town/mafia.

[Commander9]

.......i toooooold yoooouuuu i waaas noooot maaaafiaaaa.......

I'm sorry to say, but you brought this yourself by doing what you did. Your role is a loss, but (assuming it was a DK and it definitely looks like it was Joker, who did this) you've talked in yourself into this.

After all considered, I'm suggesting that probably pressuring Nag is the best thing that we can do.

[shieldgenerator7]

.......i toooooold yoooouuuu i waaas noooot maaaafiaaaa.......

I'm sorry to say, but you brought this yourself by doing what you did. Your role is a loss, but (assuming it was a DK and it definitely looks like it was Joker, who did this) you've talked in yourself into this.

After all considered, I'm suggesting that probably pressuring Nag is the best thing that we can do.

whooo daaares quoooote meeee?

[safariguy5]

.......i toooooold yoooouuuu i waaas noooot maaaafiaaaa.......

I'm sorry to say, but you brought this yourself by doing what you did. Your role is a loss, but (assuming it was a DK and it definitely looks like it was Joker, who did this) you've talked in yourself into this.

After all considered, I'm suggesting that probably pressuring Nag is the best thing that we can do.

whooo daaares quoooote meeee?

You're dead. No more talking.

[Commander9]

whooo daaares quoooote meeee?

I can't believe I actually defended you. Time to blacklist, I guess.

[Streaker]

Shield really is showing more and more signs of being a troll. Maybe he's just ignorant, though?
And wtf, Third party cop? Never seen one of those before.

The daykill has me worried.

Seeing how shield is third party, I'm discarding my case of edocsil and his protection of shield.

Unvote

[edocsil]

Shield really is showing more and more signs of being a troll. Maybe he's just ignorant, though?
And wtf, Third party cop? Never seen one of those before.

The daykill has me worried.

Seeing how shield is third party, I'm discarding my case of edocsil and his protection of shield.

Unvote

Yeah, that is likely the best thing that could have happened, I would have been in a tight spot otherwise.


OT: I am willing to blacklist shield, I have gone over his posts elsewhere in the forums I see a troll. He will not be welcome in my games until I see a change in his playstyle.

[shieldgenerator7]

oooooooh.... noooo quoooting deeeeead meeeeen

[nagerous]

Blacklisted and reported for trolling.

[Streaker]

oooooooh.... noooo quoooting deeeeead meeeeen

This just reminds me of Justinassss.

Edoc, i'm just very bad at making decent cases. Still learning the ropes. I guess I won't learn if I don't try... I blew the Nostalgia game in the same way.

[shieldgenerator7]

Good game, gusys! I have a lot to learn about Mafia, and this game has taught me a lot.
What I've learned:

Spoiler

1. Votes early in the game are generally joke votes and are not to be taken seriously.
2. "Attack backs" are not good -- don't attack someone because they attacked you
3. Voting for yourself is not good -- it makes you look cowardly and lke a quitter (I was trying to prove something with that, but it went all the wrong the way)
4. Voting no lynch is bad because it gives mafia members an easier win.
5. Defensive bursts from joke vote is a scum tell
6. Talking too much is bad because people think you're trolling, and it gives more evidence for people to use against you.
7. However, you do not have the right to remain silent (for too long that is) because then people start to suspect you.
8. Pay attention to your role pm. I read mine once and didn't realize I was the cop, until I read it again, and realized I had a special role. If I had realized it earlier, I would have acted differently.

Sorry if I spoiled the game for anyone. I had fun eventhough I got choked first round. Have fun!

[sheepofdumb]

Good game, gusys! I have a lot to learn about Mafia, and this game has taught me a lot.
What I've learned:

Spoiler

1. Votes early in the game are generally joke votes and are not to be taken seriously.
2. "Attack backs" are not good -- don't attack someone because they attacked you
3. Voting for yourself is not good -- it makes you look cowardly and lke a quitter (I was trying to prove something with that, but it went all the wrong the way)
4. Voting no lynch is bad because it gives mafia members an easier win.
5. Defensive bursts from joke vote is a scum tell
6. Talking too much is bad because people think you're trolling, and it gives more evidence for people to use against you.
7. However, you do not have the right to remain silent (for too long that is) because then people start to suspect you.
8. Pay attention to your role pm. I read mine once and didn't realize I was the cop, until I read it again, and realized I had a special role. If I had realized it earlier, I would have acted differently.

Sorry if I spoiled the game for anyone. I had fun eventhough I got choked first round. Have fun!

You forgot the most important one, If a vet gives you advice its usually in your best interest to listen.

[sheepofdumb]

After all considered, I'm suggesting that probably pressuring Nag is the best thing that we can do.

Yeah nag, what dirty little secrets are you hiding? We don't like secrets, see? Better start talking or me and the girls here might have to get a little rough with ya, you hear?

[nagerous]

Vote Commander9

He has been very coy, very cautious, in the background - never actually placing votes but always trying to encourage pressure on others to vote.

.......i toooooold yoooouuuu i waaas noooot maaaafiaaaa.......

I'm sorry to say, but you brought this yourself by doing what you did. Your role is a loss, but (assuming it was a DK and it definitely looks like it was Joker, who did this) you've talked in yourself into this.

After all considered, I'm suggesting that probably pressuring Nag is the best thing that we can do.

With this post I found it very scummy, it is like he is trying to push edocsil or ficoal to continue on their votes on me so we can argue and go around in circles yet he won't actually start things off by actually voting me, he just wants to light the firelighter and sit back and watch the fire begin.

In fact commander, the onus is on you... go on then present a case against me... I'd like to hear it. Shield dropped hints of being a cop back on page 3 that is why I unvoted him. I voted him initially because he came accross as EXTREMELY scummy, why would I not vote someone who makes such OBVIOUS scumtells. Later when it was obvious he was being deliberatley beliigerent and trolling I avoided his bandwagon but of course others got involved... though apparently not you, you come out as having apparently defending him.. yet I don't really see any defence of him by you? Edocsil and fircoal did defend him at first, that much is clear, but I don't see a comment by you as having defending him other than reiterating points made by edocsil constantly.

What info would lynching the rookie get us? Shit, maybe we would get lucky and he is scum, but you all know the odds of him being scum are no more likely then any other person picked at random. I dislike how Nag looks to waste the entire day chasing down a rookie who simply didn't know better, rather then spend the valuable time hunting. IMO anyone who wants to waste a day should be hung from the closest tree.

100% agreed. I find that BW on him scummy and while I can understand what Safari/Nag said about pointing scumtells and jumping on them, jumping on a newbie for making a couple of scumtells that pretty much all of the noobs make regardless of their affiliations is just as scummy (if not more) in my book.

Thanks again for coming to my rescue. Don't worry, I've learned my lesson. I won't do this again tomorrow (day 2), so you won't have to give me special newbie treatment.

Well, what about starting to play and learn today?

To be fair, he feels too safe. As much as I hate, vote shield.

In fact you were the third person at this point on his bandwagon, once it suddenly became OK to pressurise the newbie and rookie as you so called him so by your own admission you were trolling. This also when he had made a hint that he was potentially a cop that made me unvote and I also pointed that he was obviously trolling.

Following on from shield's death you then try to make it appear as if he was one of the guys who defended him in order to make yourself look good:

whooo daaares quoooote meeee?

I can't believe I actually defended you. Time to blacklist, I guess.

[nagerous]

so by your own admission you were scummy EBWOP

[Commander9]

@ Nag

1. OMGUS vote for the reason that I've pointed earlier on Day 1 and just a couple of posts ago. Nice.

2. How have I been cautious? I've been pretty much as aggressive as I normally am.

3. Firelighter on you? I responded before that I've founded you scummy before and I just continued that thought.

4. I defended him at first and afterwards I switched my thoughts when he continued the same BS. I don't know where I've said taht I defended him and that "OOhh, I'm soo righteous." Also, if I'll get enough time, I'll post a case late tonight (US time) or tomorrow.

5. FFS, he said that he didn't even know he was a cop. He didn't drop any intentional hints that he was a cop...

so by your own admission you were scummy EBWOP

Can you explain this?

[safariguy5]

Good game, gusys! I have a lot to learn about Mafia, and this game has taught me a lot.
What I've learned:

Spoiler

1. Votes early in the game are generally joke votes and are not to be taken seriously.
2. "Attack backs" are not good -- don't attack someone because they attacked you
3. Voting for yourself is not good -- it makes you look cowardly and lke a quitter (I was trying to prove something with that, but it went all the wrong the way)
4. Voting no lynch is bad because it gives mafia members an easier win.
5. Defensive bursts from joke vote is a scum tell
6. Talking too much is bad because people think you're trolling, and it gives more evidence for people to use against you.
7. However, you do not have the right to remain silent (for too long that is) because then people start to suspect you.
8. Pay attention to your role pm. I read mine once and didn't realize I was the cop, until I read it again, and realized I had a special role. If I had realized it earlier, I would have acted differently.

Sorry if I spoiled the game for anyone. I had fun eventhough I got choked first round. Have fun!

You forgot the most important one, If a vet gives you advice its usually in your best interest to listen.

Not to mention the fact that once you're dead, no more talking in the thread.

[nagerous]

@ Nag

1. OMGUS vote for the reason that I've pointed earlier on Day 1 and just a couple of posts ago. Nice.

2. How have I been cautious? I've been pretty much as aggressive as I normally am.

3. Firelighter on you? I responded before that I've founded you scummy before and I just continued that thought.

4. I defended him at first and afterwards I switched my thoughts when he continued the same BS. I don't know where I've said taht I defended him and that "OOhh, I'm soo righteous." Also, if I'll get enough time, I'll post a case late tonight (US time) or tomorrow.

5. FFS, he said that he didn't even know he was a cop. He didn't drop any intentional hints that he was a cop...

so by your own admission you were scummy EBWOP

Can you explain this?

1. 2. 3. No OMGUS vote, cautious and firelighter because you're talking about how you'd like to see more pressure on me but you don't actually have the balls to put a vote on me yourself. You'd rather see a mud-slinging match happening again between me and edocsil and sit back and watch it all happen. Remind you of anything?

4. The quote at the bottom, I never said you were being righteous about it, I am trying to point out that the way you say "I can't believe I defended you" seems to give off an aura of I was the guy who stood up for you, I was the guy who protected you from the vicious noob hunter nagerous.

5. He attempted to justify his no lynch by hinting that he would have more information to go off on day 2. The only noobs that vote no lynch on day 1 are either scum or investigative roles. He gave off a distinct impression to me anyway he would have more information after night fall to go on for the next day phase, I noted this as did Vio, and don't say if you noted this why didn't you say this out loud because I tried to get him to claim before he died and was thrown to the wolves but as you see that never got a chance to materialise.

6. In reference to the EBWOP

100% agreed. I find that BW on him scummy

then suddenly you join it, just one page later when the guy starts clearly trolling the game.

[Commander9]

1. 2. 3. No OMGUS vote, cautious and firelighter because you're talking about how you'd like to see more pressure on me but you don't actually have the balls to put a vote on me yourself. You'd rather see a mud-slinging match happening again between me and edocsil and sit back and watch it all happen. Remind you of anything?

4. The quote at the bottom, I never said you were being righteous about it, I am trying to point out that the way you say "I can't believe I defended you" seems to give off an aura of I was the guy who stood up for you, I was the guy who protected you from the vicious noob hunter nagerous.

5. He attempted to justify his no lynch by hinting that he would have more information to go off on day 2. The only noobs that vote no lynch on day 1 are either scum or investigative roles. He gave off a distinct impression to me anyway he would have more information after night fall to go on for the next day phase, I noted this as did Vio, and don't say if you noted this why didn't you say this out loud because I tried to get him to claim before he died and was thrown to the wolves but as you see that never got a chance to materialise.

6. In reference to the EBWOP

100% agreed. I find that BW on him scummy

then suddenly you join it, just one page later when the guy starts clearly trolling the game.

1,2,3. I would still say it's an OMGUS, but w/e. And yes, I remember that well, but what does this have to do with the other game? Meta-gaming is all good, but I'd say it's a bit too early to come to those conclusions... Unless you're trying to repeat what I did

As far as not placing my vote goes - you should've seen that I don't normally throw my votes around and that I don't like to jump the votes too much.

4. You're taking this completely differently than it was intended. When BW first started, I said that going after him is not a good idea if you're town as noobs usually are townies and mafia always enjoy these lynches. HOWEVER, he continued his ways and didn't even read or listen to what others said and that frustrated me - that's why I said that I can't believe that I defended him.

5. That could be said by anyone, because it's true - you can read the discussions from Day 1 and what happened on Night 1... This is not hinting towards the cop. As far as the later part goes - I've done the same thing. I tried to get him to claim, but apparently someone (Joker) thought it was a better idea to finish him off first.

6. I joined the BW because even thought he kept asking questions and we gave him answers, he wasn't even trying - he was obviously trolling. A townie who has no interests for town isn't all that valuable and we weren't sure if he even was town - that's why I decided to add pressure.