Did I act improperly?

[Petrocelli]

In this game, the following occurred:

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=8714472

On 4-4-2011 at 12:35, I offered a 5 turn truce to Mr. Sour.
on 4-4-2011 at 17:38, Mr. Sour attacked me and took a region from me. (He took Astana, which would have prevented me from holding Asia.) He did not accept the truce in the game log.
On 4-5-2011 at 19:38, I moved again. I did not attack Mr. Sour, but assumed there was no truce
On 4-5-2011 at 12:35, Mr. Sour asked me to confirm the truce. (I did not see this message, and this was after he attacked me in Astana, and did not accept the truce offer.)
On 4-5-2011 at 18:25, Mr. Sour attacked me again in North America (Anchorage), and now held North America.
On 4-5-2011 at 21:41, I informed Mr. Sour there was no truce. (Put simply, the board had changed drastically. Because of his two attacks, he now held North America, and I couldn't hold Asia.)
On 4-10-2011 at 13:18, Mr. Sour claimed he was "sucker punched" and demanded "arbitration."

I have played this game for a while, and take truce offers seriously. My position: If Mr. Sour wanted a truce, he should have accepted it before he moved on 4-4-2011, and he should not have attacked me twice. I think his complaint 5 days later is revisionist history, and is proven false by the game log.

In order to clear my good name, I ask all of you: Did I act improperly?

[SirSebstar]

no and yes.
16. Can I make an alliance or truce with another player?
Yes, but you must conduct all diplomacy in the in game chat.

You proposed a truce. No reply for 1 day and 20 seconds... then green wants to truce with you and is a bit miffed if you don't agree, but is quite gentle and friendly about it. Then you foed him...

I think you have either a lot of guild wearing you down or some other issue's, but that is no way to treat anybody else, especially since they have kept the discussion on a friendly, non cussing level.. However since thats not your question, i shall proceed.

You can always offer truces. Truces should only be kept as long as they are in your favor, at least as long as you can go for the win.. many people feel uneasy with truces, so highrank players are soo good at the game they know what the other player is supposed to do, so a spoken truce is not even relevant, everybody knows you cannot keep asia e.g.
Having said that many player do not like a player who offers or plays with truces, keeping them is morally required. However since this game is about world domination, you are more or less expeted to break a truce whenever it is in your best interest. Obvioulst like from the poeple who do not like truces and those you beaten because of truce and those whom you broke truces with will all give you a bad rating....

that is where the no part comes from. Be carefull with truces, and even then expect horseshit to hit you on the way out.

Yes make whatever truces you feel comfortable with, especially if you are in a weak state, another player is in a weak state and you need to work together to kill the gameleader... Obviously you should already work together to accomplish that goal, but a spoken word sometimes helps.., that was the yes part.

Does this help?

[Metsfanmax]

In short: Yes, you were right to consider the truce offer implicitly declined. Is offering one perhaps dangerous? Yes, as SirSebstar points out. But in this case, the other guy is just unjustifiably whining, and as we love to say here on the forums, foe him and move on.

[Petrocelli]

In short: Yes, you were right to consider the truce offer implicitly declined.

This is what I thought.

If someone logs in, moves, and does not accept a truce, I assume the truce is declined.

[Petrocelli]

no and yes.

Yes make whatever truces you feel comfortable with, especially if you are in a weak state, another player is in a weak state and you need to work together to kill the gameleader... Obviously you should already work together to accomplish that goal, but a spoken word sometimes helps.., that was the yes part.

Does this help?

Yes.

What was odd about this was that in the intervening two turns, the player I proposed the truce to became the strongest player. In part, he did that by attacking me twice. Thus, I stated in a very gentlemanly manner that "given the present state of the board, I can't do it." There was no response until 5 days later when he complained I backed out on a truce.

Thanks for helping me clear my good name.

[SirSebstar]

consider your name cleared. I believe in the game you are also victorious? Then you are not just cleared, but vindicated!
congratulations and enjoy the feeling!!

[MrSour]

I've waited an looked at the thread which is a tad one sided so hear is my side. or Whine if this is your opinion then so be it...

"Petrocelli: Mr. Sour: I propose a 5 turn truce. I am moving troops from Beijing to Delhi to try to attack. " So bearig in mind he is talking about regions that don't exist on this map I ask him to clarify this.

Mean time i did take his troop which he had just put into europe stopping me get the region. So the truce he offered was for him to (potentially) get asia and africa (I had no troops in either region) but the round before he put a single in north america and europe.

I assumed he would be happy with asia and africa (plus he already had austrailia thats 12 vs my 10) so based on this information I blazed in to north america taking his one and getting the region.

I'm not calling him a cheat it was my neivaty and trusting that lost me this game. I now look at his singles and truce region naming as cleaver legal deception. I should have just ignored it and took his single not questioned it...

So whine over, i've learnt from it.

1) trust no one.
2) before you truce invade there regions.
3) make up region names so I could back out if I want.

thanks for listening...

[Metsfanmax]

I've waited an looked at the thread which is a tad one sided so hear is my side. or Whine if this is your opinion then so be it...

"Petrocelli: Mr. Sour: I propose a 5 turn truce. I am moving troops from Beijing to Delhi to try to attack. " So bearig in mind he is talking about regions that don't exist on this map I ask him to clarify this.

Delhi is a territory on the Classic map and so is Beijing, it's your fault you failed to notice this (?).

Mean time i did take his troop which he had just put into europe stopping me get the region. So the truce he offered was for him to (potentially) get asia and africa (I had no troops in either region) but the round before he put a single in north america and europe.

I assumed he would be happy with asia and africa (plus he already had austrailia thats 12 vs my 10) so based on this information I blazed in to north america taking his one and getting the region.

I'm not calling him a cheat it was my neivaty and trusting that lost me this game. I now look at his singles and truce region naming as cleaver legal deception. I should have just ignored it and took his single not questioned it...

So whine over, i've learnt from it.

1) trust no one.
2) before you truce invade there regions.
3) make up region names so I could back out if I want.

thanks for listening...

As for the rest here, he points out that you took Astana, preventing him from holding the Asia bonus. This would universally be seen as a legitimate reason to back out of the proposed truce - the only reason he offered it in the first place was so that he could hold Asia and get the bonus. You were already holding the Europe bonus when you attacked Astana, so the only reason it makes sense to attack Astana is to prevent Petrocelli from holding the Asia bonus (and thus you are implicitly rejecting his truce). Your comment about him stopping you from holding the Europe bonus makes no sense - check the game log for Round 19 (the round he offered the truce) to see that you received the Europe bonus after the truce was offered.

[Dibbun]

Lol truces.. I make them one in 100 games if that, and really only if it's a massive advantage to me to do so.. otherwise, just play the game, knowing that if they invade you then you can invade them right back. I've been called a "mule" because I won't be pushed around, if you just completely screw me over, I'll be on your ass next round guaranteed.

Per the issue, you need to vocalize your acceptance of a truce prior to it being "valid," and why would you MrSour ask for confirmation of the truce unless you recognized that it was not yet in effect? Petro did nothing dishonorable.

[greenoaks]

your actions seem fair but i avoid truces - they are more trouble than they are worth

[MrSour]

Looking back at the log and with the items pointed out here.... Some times the emotion takes over and you read what you want to read not quite the facts. It was a round or two before which the incident about moscow.

I was wrong and was at fault, I should not assume anything.

I fully retract the comment and openly appologise to Petrocelli for this accusation. As hes foe'd me can some one pass my appologies on.

[JBlombier]

Looking back at the log and with the items pointed out here.... Some times the emotion takes over and you read what you want to read not quite the facts. It was a round or two before which the incident about moscow.

I was wrong and was at fault, I should not assume anything.

I fully retract the comment and openly appologise to Petrocelli for this accusation. As hes foe'd me can some one pass my appologies on.

He can read your apologies now. Good thing you apoligzed, most players don't. I assume it's solved now.

[SirSebstar]

+1 for courage and wisdom.
well done.

Looking back at the log and with the items pointed out here.... Some times the emotion takes over and you read what you want to read not quite the facts. It was a round or two before which the incident about moscow.

I was wrong and was at fault, I should not assume anything.

I fully retract the comment and openly appologise to Petrocelli for this accusation. As hes foe'd me can some one pass my appologies on.

[greenoaks]

Looking back at the log and with the items pointed out here.... Some times the emotion takes over and you read what you want to read not quite the facts. It was a round or two before which the incident about moscow.

I was wrong and was at fault, I should not assume anything.

I fully retract the comment and openly appologise to Petrocelli for this accusation. As hes foe'd me can some one pass my appologies on.

apologies are rare, feel free to join any game i create - on my team or against me

[Petrocelli]

I appreciate the apology, even though it was made after I was given a low rating.

Petrocelli

[SirSebstar]

just FYI, you can retract (remove)any rating you have given of another player. You cannot rerate that player untill you have beaten him again (or have recently beaten him that the game is still visiable in your recendly finished games tab.)

[MrSour]

Rating the rating has been withdrawn.

Sorry once again.