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So I'll need a reinvite as well... 
Sorry if you felt this was an attempt to implicate you. It was not, and I don't believe you are guilty of any wrongdoing. I simply posted info that 'connected some dots' so to speak, as there are events which took place that link three people who are all involved in this case - yourself, Hannibal and Commander - and as such it is worth checking every possibility. It may even have served to jog your own memory in the event you had given Hannibal your p/w (for instance).rbelgrod wrote:and to get the record straight, i played 452 results on 5 pages:with hannible in my 20674 games played, i wonder how many i played with others....hmmmmChariot of Fire wrote:Long playing history between rbelgrod & Hannibal. And yes....a lot of wall posts.
Result? BlueBell turned out to be a banned multi.There is a user called BlueBell who joined the site just 9 days ago. He/she keeps revisiting this thread whenever there is a new post (odd for a newbie). This user's flag appears as 'Anonymous Proxy'. Suspicious much?
Agreed.Squirly wrote:This sux for Mr Commander, he's a good dude. Hope they catch the SOB
Commander changed his pw once this whole thing started, probably just a coincidence.phantomzero wrote:Both Commander and Hannibal have the Croatia flag right now? Seemed strange to me, but I'm sure one of his real sitters could be from Croatia.
pimphawks70 wrote:Hey guys, Commander here. I've been on for a few hours, but couldn't post. I just realized I could log in as Pimp and post. Duh.
Luckily, whoever did this did not change my password. Once I logged on, I immediately changed it.
An E-Ticket has been sent; hopefully it all gets worked out before I leave tomorrow.
1) Hey, BYR! I saw your chat while playing in that game, but I could not post in chat. Not sure what Jefjef is talking about.
Also, no need to stall in our games. I'm on now and have changed my password.
2) He suicided in 10-15 team games. I don't care much about the point-dump, but that's fucked up. Fucking asshole.
3) Yes, it's true... I gave out my password to Rbel, Pasc, and Chief last night. Therefore, if my account was not legitimately "hacked," I believe it was one of their sitters who did this. Those 3 could not have done it, but I don't know who has their passwords...
4) The 10-15 games were suicided between 9:04 and 9:11 this morning.
That probably doesn't help; just thought I'd mention it.
yes, its coincidence I'm sure......a THOTA member is from there and we (THOTA members) now have his password to cover for him. He also has changed it once again.phantomzero wrote:Both Commander and Hannibal have the Croatia flag right now? Seemed strange to me, but I'm sure one of his real sitters could be from Croatia.
how was that post falsely accusing anyone? wow... i just don't even understand why you come off as so defensive and as an apologist for anyone that is in C&A, even if it is a valid issue... wow... i just don't get it...-the black jesusjackal31 wrote:yes, its coincidence I'm sure......a THOTA member is from there and we (THOTA members) now have his password to cover for him. He also has changed it once again.phantomzero wrote:Both Commander and Hannibal have the Croatia flag right now? Seemed strange to me, but I'm sure one of his real sitters could be from Croatia.
Please stop with the accusations. I dont want to point fingers at Hannibal. Let the mods work on it, theres no reason to falsely accuse anyone.
"josko for Commander"phantomzero wrote:Both Commander and Hannibal have the Croatia flag right now? Seemed strange to me, but I'm sure one of his real sitters could be from Croatia.
Is that better. Everyone is so quick to point a finger without using any logic anymore. "oh look, that person has the same flag as 20 other people on CC, must be a multi/hacker/etc"...just doesnt make sense.owenshooter wrote:how was that post falsely accusing anyone? wow... i just don't even understand why you come off as so defensive and as an apologist for anyone that is in C&A, even if it is a valid issue... wow... i just don't get it...-the black jesusjackal31 wrote:yes, its coincidence I'm sure......a THOTA member is from there and we (THOTA members) now have his password to cover for him. He also has changed it once again.phantomzero wrote:Both Commander and Hannibal have the Croatia flag right now? Seemed strange to me, but I'm sure one of his real sitters could be from Croatia.
Please stop with the accusations. I dont want to point fingers at Hannibal. Let the mods work on it, theres no reason to falsely blindly accuse anyone.
Chariot of Fire wrote:"josko for Commander"phantomzero wrote:Both Commander and Hannibal have the Croatia flag right now? Seemed strange to me, but I'm sure one of his real sitters could be from Croatia.
this rings a bell to me I would be very disappointed if after this fiasco, Hannibal was let off without a point deduction. He did the wrong thing blatantly, and so far, it's the only wrong doing that's proven with this situation.pascalleke wrote:
and as i can see it hannibal is only " guilty " on farming on commander while he knew at a certain moment he was hacked
isnt there a need for a ruling for the future ?
there is something that is really bugging me with this statement has his post been edited because you are all jumping up saying what commander is like. So it seems to me why send this pm.jackal31 wrote: Also, I apologize for shooting from the hip on the accusations, but the 3 of you (MC, Rbel, and Pasc) are not in THOTA and Comm didnt leave the pw in the post in the THOTA thread.
in here he says thota members will be sitting for him. but you say he did not give his password to anybody. What brings this into ? is the fact that thota have always prided themselves in being the closest bunch of clan players so why would commander give his password to 3 non clan members and not give it to his clan members.Sent: Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:20 am
From: Commander62890
To: Master Chief pascalleke rbelgrod
Hey guys, I'm going on a mini-vacation to Virginia Beach (and William & Mary college) with some friends.
I'll be gone from Wednesday at 5 am to Saturday or early Sunday.
THOTA players will hopefully be taking my turns. However, as a precaution, I'm giving you guys my password. Please try to state "blah blah for Comm," at least in team chat.
jackal31 wrote:Eddie....people do make mistakes you know. Comm is human. And he did get THOTA his new/changed password AFTER this whole thing went down.
edit: I think I understand what you're saying. You want to know why he would give out his pw to people not in THOTA but make a post in THOTA without his pw. That is because we have already shared pw's in the past. So there is no reason to post it again for those that already have it. However, I dont have his anymore, and I am not sure about the rest of THOTA. So if it were me, I would have made sure to get it to them once again. I didnt have his pw on record and with it not being posted, there is no way for me to access the account. Again, I cannot speak for everyone in THOTA, we do not keep an active thread of pw's on hand.
jackal31 wrote:Eddie....people do make mistakes you know. Comm is human. And he did get THOTA his new/changed password AFTER this whole thing went down.
edit: I think I understand what you're saying. You want to know why he would give out his pw to people not in THOTA but make a post in THOTA without his pw. That is because we have already shared pw's in the past. So there is no reason to post it again for those that already have it. However, I dont have his anymore, and I am not sure about the rest of THOTA. So if it were me, I would have made sure to get it to them once again. I didnt have his pw on record and with it not being posted, there is no way for me to access the account. Again, I cannot speak for everyone in THOTA, we do not keep an active thread of pw's on hand.
ok that rules that out then. thanks david was just niggling my brain.David_Wain wrote:Hey Eddie just checked our forum. No the post wasn't edited. His post was simply stating hey guys I am going away next week or w/e will u guys be able to help cover me. Basically finding out who would be happy to help and I assume his plan would of been to send the password the day before leaving. Why he then gave his password to 3 non THOTA members I am not 100% sure.. prob because they are his friends and he trusted them and at the time no one had replied to his thread in the THOTA forum so he was prob concerned people wouldn't be able to cover. Of course the reality would of simply been people not checked the forum yet or unsure if they could cover.
So you're saying that it was a mistake for Commander to give his password to 3 non clan members? Just because we aren't in blessed THOTA doesn't mean that we don't have his trust. We've played many games with him and he's grown to trust our judgment. He trusts us, that is why he gave us his password. None of us used it, because we all were afraid of exactly this happening, THOTA would come in saying "OMG THEY'RE NOT IN THOTA!!!".jackal31 wrote:Eddie....people do make mistakes you know. Comm is human. And he did get THOTA his new/changed password AFTER this whole thing went down.
Yes. Exactly. He wanted to ensure that his games were covered. We are in so many games with him, some of which are tourney games, that he wanted to make sure that the 3 of us had his password, just in case THOTA couldn't cover for him. It wasn't out of spite, or a mistake, it was because he didn't want to somehow miss a turn.David_Wain wrote:Why he then gave his password to 3 non THOTA members I am not 100% sure.. prob because they are his friends and he trusted them and at the time no one had replied to his thread in the THOTA forum so he was prob concerned people wouldn't be able to cover. Of course the reality would of simply been people not checked the forum yet or unsure if they could cover.
MC....it has already been written by someone else that certain clans create guidlines where its members dont give out their pw beyond their clanmates. THOTA also takes practice in that. It has nothing personal to do with you, Pasc, or Rbel. I'm sure he has a great friendship, and it was just an oversight (to the guideline) as to giving you his pw. I think you're making this more than it should be.Master Chief wrote:So you're saying that it was a mistake for Commander to give his password to 3 non clan members? Just because we aren't in blessed THOTA doesn't mean that we don't have his trust. We've played many games with him and he's grown to trust our judgment. He trusts us, that is why he gave us his password. None of us used it, because we all were afraid of exactly this happening, THOTA would come in saying "OMG THEY'RE NOT IN THOTA!!!".jackal31 wrote:Eddie....people do make mistakes you know. Comm is human. And he did get THOTA his new/changed password AFTER this whole thing went down.
I repeat: It was not a mistake that Commander gave us his password. He admitted that he gave it to us, it wasn't someone else. He did it out of trust.
Yes. Exactly. He wanted to ensure that his games were covered. We are in so many games with him, some of which are tourney games, that he wanted to make sure that the 3 of us had his password, just in case THOTA couldn't cover for him. It wasn't out of spite, or a mistake, it was because he didn't want to somehow miss a turn.David_Wain wrote:Why he then gave his password to 3 non THOTA members I am not 100% sure.. prob because they are his friends and he trusted them and at the time no one had replied to his thread in the THOTA forum so he was prob concerned people wouldn't be able to cover. Of course the reality would of simply been people not checked the forum yet or unsure if they could cover.
chewie1 wrote:In our clan we have a strict rule that only clan mates can account sit.
I think these 2 quotes stated from earlier in the thread are all that need to be repeated. So please dont take this personally, MC. It doesnt need to travel that road.Chariot of Fire wrote:Giving out a password to non-clan members who themselves have sitters - unknown to you - with access to their account (and mailbox) is simply courting disaster.Commander is a smart chap and an extremely nice guy, but sending out that PM was incredibly naive and risky. I would go mental if anyone in TOFU ever gave his password to a third party.
we miss u and ur briljant remarks ingamepimphawks70 wrote:Hey, guys.
I'm back. Still disabled. No word on the progress of the search.
- Commander
I've been wondering, are you pimphawks? Are you hacking his account?pimphawks70 wrote:Hey, guys.
I'm back. Still disabled. No word on the progress of the search.
- Commander
