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I agree with this, their platform is very idealistic. However they most likely won't be able to form government without the liberals, which would create a strong moderating factor. People talk about the bad NDP gov in Ontario. What about the good NDP governments in Manitoba or out east?
People call the NDP government in Ontario bad, because it was VERY bad! As a person living in Ontario that is all I can go by. I don't know how the NDP did in Manitoba or out east. I do know they screwed up Ontario for a long time afterward.
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2dimes wrote:Are the NDP going to fund alternative health care like Massages. Sometimes I get stiff riding my bicycle around China town and sure could use a rub down.
heh but I seriously believe it was stupid for the press to make a big deal out of that story. Layton was innocent of any wrongdoing and this was all 16 years ago, so it's a pretty lame attempt at a smear. In a recent interview with Harper, when asked to comment on that story, he outright said "No;" that he was willing to challenge Layton and the other leaders on party platforms but he wouldn't comment on the story. I believe that was very commendable! Actually it would have been foolish for him to do otherwise.
At this point in history that story is possibly good for Layton. It didn't hurt Clinton much to actually be having encounters in the oval office and the US&A are much more vocally against anything like that. The fact that the cops were choked at him for what he was doing as councelor and yet sent him peddling away tells me regardless of how clueless he was about where he was getting a massage, he didn't do anything legally wrong. The fact that it was a decade and a half ago makes it pretty much in the past.

It's still hillarious and for that I'm glad they ran the story.
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keiths31 wrote:If you went on sound policy, the Cons would win easy. .
Gimme a break! Sound policy like buying fighter jets without engines? Scraping the long form census? withholding information from parliament (apparently so they don't find out their cost analysis' are bogus)? Mandatory sentencing? theses are not sound policies.
I don't know, man...there are things I don't like about every single government around. The question remains whether the problems are bad enough to oust the government, and if so, is the alternative any better? Our military (all areas of it) definitely needs new equipment, and it would make no sense to go backwards in time and buy more F18s. Maybe they aren't going about this purchase in the right way, but no other party is offering a better alternative. The Liberals are now saying that they would scrap the purchase (like they did with helicopters in the 90s) and reopen it to a bid, in which case the same option would probably end up being chosen, only farther down the road and for a higher price. The long-form census I don't see as very important either way. Every government is condemned for withholding information from parliament--look at Chretien's record: the difference was, he had a majority so his government couldn't be brought down over it. Obviously I'm not saying it's good or totally excusable, I'm just saying that it seems like any party in power seems to become, to a certain extent, corrupted by that power. Every party pushes for openness and integrity while in opposition, but when in power not much changes. BTW even Jack Layton has been refusing questions from the press when he knows they'll be critical of him. As for bogus cost analysis', the NDP is already backing down on their platform budget because the numbers don't add up, and both the Conservatives and Liberals have been accused of the same, although on a much smaller scale. I agree with mandatory sentencing in principle because I do believe that there should be a mandatory minimum sentence for certain crimes, which is only fair. Whether it decreases crime in the long run, however, is questionable.

If we wait to elect a perfect government, we'll never vote. After all, politicians are people with flaws just like the rest of us. If we condemn all politicians for corruption, we condemn society as a whole, because we have elected them from our society. However I believe we should vote for whichever party we believe to be the best option for directing the country in a positive direction. In this case I believe it to be the Conservatives, which is why I voted for them already in the advance polls. BTW, I thought it was sweet 2 million Canadians already voted! Looks like the turnout will be really good for the election this year!

When we look at a list of the Conservative government's accomplishments, there are a lot of things here which I am in favor of:
1. Accountability/Lobbying Act — Passed July 2, 2008 (Link)
2. Age of Consent Legislation – Raised from 14 to 16 effective May 1, 2008 (Link)
3. Agent Orange Compensation Package of $96 Million –$20,000 to all veterans and civilians who lived within 5 kilometers of CFB Gagetown in N.B.when Agent Orange was sprayed over a seven day period in 1966 and 1967 (Link)
4. Air India Final Report of the Commission of Inquiry – PM Harper apologies to the friends and relatives of all those who died in that disaster (Link)
5. Apology to Native People – By the Government of Canada on June 11, 2008 for residential school abuses (Link)
6. Arctic Sovereignty a Priority – One of the Harper gov’t's highest priority is the protection of Canada’s Arctic sovereignty (Link)
7. Auto Theft and Property Crime Bill – Legislation passed that would crack down on auto theft and trafficking in property that is obtained by crime (Link)
8. Child Pornography Reporting by Persons who Provide an Internet Service Act (C-22)
– by toughening laws that protect children from adult sexual predators by making it mandatory for Internet service suppliers to report such online actions (Link)
9. Child Tax Credit – $2000 for every child under eighteen (Link to all the family tax credits)
10. Chinese Head Tax Apology– By the government on June 22, 2006 (Link) (Link)
11. Chinese Immigrant Provision — Of $20,000 to every individual and/or surviving spouses who paid the head tax plus $24 million towards an “historical recognition program”(Link)
12. Columbia Free Trade Agreement – Signed at the Asia-Pacific Economic Co-operation meeting in Lima, November 21, 2008 (Link)
13. Consumer Product Safety Legislation – To strengthen Canada’s product safety laws and better protect Canadian consumers and their families (Link)
14. Corporate taxes lowered to stimulate economy – 22.2% in 2007, 16.5% in 2011 and will be 15% in 2012 (not just for large corporations but any incorporated business, including small business (Link)
15. Corrupt Regimes Act (C-61) – allows Canada to act upon the request of a foreign state to freeze the assets that their former leaders and members of their entourage, including family members, senior officials and associates, may have placed in Canadian financial institutions (Link)
16. Criminals’ Old Age Security eliminated through legislation – (Link)
17. Disability Savings Plan – Part of the 2007 budget, it was fully implemented in December, 2008 (Link)
18. Economic Recovery in Canada due to Conservative policies – OECD says that in first quarter of 2010, Canada’s economy grew by 6.2% compared to 1.9% for other G7 countries (Link) (Link)
19. European Free Trade Association – Canada Agreement – Signed on July 2, 2009 — between Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland (Link)
20. Fairness at the Pumps Act (C-14) – protects Canadian consumers from inaccurate measurements when purchasing gasoline (Link)
21. Food Labelling Initiative – to clarify and modernize labelling on food products, including “Product of Canada” and “Made in Canada” claims (Link) (Link)
22. Gender Equity in Indian Registration – Legislation that addresses a court ruling on gender discrimination in the Indian Act (Link)
23. GIS — Guaranteed Income Supplement Improvements – For seniors, changed to allow for higher earned income – (Link)
24. GST — Goods & Services Tax Cut – From 7% to 6% and then to 5% (Link)
25. Haitian Earthquake Response – very quick (Link)
26. Haiti’s Debt to Canada Cancelled – On June 25, 2010, at the G8 meeting in Huntsville, PM Harper announced that Haiti’s debt to Canada was eliminated (Link)
27. Harper Government the longest serving minority – since Lester Pearson (Link)
28. Hep C compensation Redressed – For latest court rulings that clear the way for national $1 billion package (Link), as well as how to apply for compensation (Link)
29. Identity Theft Legislation– (Bill S-4) — Received Royal Assent on October 27, 2009 — for obtaining and possessing identity information, trafficking in that information or unlawfully possessing or trafficking in gov’t documents (Link)
30. Immigration and Refugee Protection Act Amendment (C-35) – to crack down on crooked immigration consultants who exploit prospective immigrants and undermine the integrity of Canada’s immigration system (Link)
31. Income Splitting for Canadian Seniors – A change to the Income Tax Act for pensioners (Link)
32. India-Canada Nuclear Co-Operation Agreement– PM Harper and Indian PM Manmohan Singh sign a memoranda of understanding that lays foundation for future bilateral trade negotiations (Link)
33. Indian Residential School Settlement Agreement — Signed (Link)
34. Internet Spam Protection – Signed December 15, 2010 to protect consumers and business from the most harmful and misleading forms of online threats (Link)
35. Jean-Lesage International Airport expansion – federal support provided to Quebecers for an expansion program that will both strengthen the local economy, as well as make Quebec City an international destination (Link)
36. Jordan Free Trade Agreement – Signed by Canadian and Jordanian government officials and reported on June 28, 2009 (Link)
37. Kid’s sport tax credit – up to $500 per child (Link)
38. Kuwait Foreign Investment Promotion & Protection Agreement (FIPA) — Completed in April 2009 (Link)
39. Land Claim Agreements – Over 800 claims concluded since the gov’t came into power (See progress chart at this Link and comparison to previous governments)
40. Libya No Fly Zone – Canada joins NATO coalition to protect Libyans to remove Muammar Gaddafi from power (Link)
41. Manley Report – Approved (Report) (Link)
42. Mental Health Commission of Canada – Established and incorporated as a non-profit corporation in March of 2007 (Link)
43. Northern Regional Development Economic Agency – Announced by Prime Minister Stephen Harper on Tuesday, August 18th, 2009 in Iqaluit, Nunavut (Link)
44. Nunavik Inuit Land Claims – Agreement (Link)
45. Ombudsman for Victims of Crime – Established (Link)
46. Open Access to Gov’t – the expansion of an initiative to provide all Canadians with more data, information and opportunities to dialogue (Link)
47. Organized Crime Measures added to Criminal Code (Bill C-14 ) — Measures against organized crime, with 25 years for murder without eligibility for parole — passed on June 23rd, 2009, coming into effect October 2, 2009 (Link)
48. Panama-Canada Free Trade Agreement – Signed in Panama on Tuesday, August 11th, 2009 & ratified on May 15, 2010 (Link)
49. Peru – Canada Free Trade Agreement – Adopted by Parliament June 18, 2009 (Link)
50. Poland — Youth Mobility Agreement – Signed on July 14, 2008 that allows youth from either country to work and travel for up to one year (Link)
51. Protecting Victims from Sexual Offenders – Signed on December 15, 2010 to protect children against sexual predators (Link)
52. Public transit tax credits (Link)
53. Quebecois as a nation – A motion to confirm Quebec within a united Canada (Link)
54. Red Tape Reduction Commission – Announced on January 13, 2011 to greatly reduce bureaucratic administration for small and medium sized businesses that have a clear and detrimental effect on growth, competitiveness and innovation (Link)
55. Savings Account that is tax free (Link)
56. Self-employ Fairness Act – (Bill C-56) — Provides special benefits to the self employed on a volunteer basis (Link)
57. Sentencing Discounts Eliminated With Multiple Murders Act (C-48) and Serious Time for the Most Serious Crime Act (S-6) – by allowing judges to impose consecutive parole ineligibility periods on individuals convicted of multiple murders, as well as puts a stop to early parole for murderers, which addresses the additional anguish suffered by victims’ families as a result of attending repeated parole hearings; (Link)
58. Softwood Lumber Agreement (Bill C-24) (Link)
59. Street racing crack down (Link)
60. Students exempted from taxation for scholarships, bursaries and fellowships (Link)
61. Tackling Violent Crime Act (Link) (Link)
62. Taxpayers Bill of Rights (Link)
63. Taxpayers Ombudsman (Link)
64. Tax Treaties with Columbia, Greece and Turkey – A law was finalized to recognize these tax treaties on December 15, 2010 (Link)
65. Truth in Sentencing Act – Bill C25 received Royal Assent on October 23, 2009 — ending the two for one credit for time served in pre-trial custody (Link)
66. Ukraine-Canada Youth Agreement – Signed that would allow youth in both countries to experience freer movement (Link)
67. Ukrainian & Eastern European immigrants – $10 million to educate Canadians about the internment in Canadian work camps during WWI (Link)
68. UN Global Fund contribution for mothers, newborns and young children – $540 million pledged by PM Harper at the UN on September 21st, 2010 – when added to the $1.5 billion already promised at the G8 summit in Muskoka and G20 in Toronto, it is the largest contribution ever made by Canada to an international health institution (Link)
69. Universal Child Care Benefit – $1,200.00 per year for every child under age six (Link)
70. White Collar Crime Act — Standing up for Victims (C-21) – will combat white-collar crime, toughening sentences and imposing mandatory minimum penalties (Link)

Sorry, I didn't feel like copying all the links. The main link to the article is above, if you want to go and check it out. It's from a right-leaning website I just found out about a few days ago.

Also, to add to the endorsements:
1. Globe and Mail – The Globe’s election endorsement: Facing up to our challenges

2. Suburban – Harper: the right choice at the right time

3. Windsor Star – Why a Majority Matters

4. The National Post - Still right for Canada:

…The time has come to break this logjam, which is why we urge our readers to vote Conservative on May 2.

Kind of a backhanded endorsement here:

5. Waterloo Region Record – The tough choice facing Canadians:

…When we weigh all the options, we conclude that despite their abundant flaws, the Conservatives, with their experience and vision, would be best for this country.

6. Tory majority means strong jobs, economy – Mississauga.com

7. Conservatives should form majority government – Durham Region

8. EDITORIAL: Conservative majority best for Canada – Inside Toronto

9. Editorial: A Tory majority would be best for Canada – The Province

Please note that most of these papers are endorsing a Conservative MAJORITY!

10. EDITORIAL: Harper deserves a majority – Brampton Guardian

11. The Herald’s Election Endorsement: For a Stronger, More Prosperous Canada – The Prince Arthur Herald

12. ROB FORD, mayor of Toronto

13. Montreal Gazette – The Gazette’s View: Canada needs the stability of a majority government

14. Vancouver Sun – Conservative majority needed to see us through turbulent times

15. Winnipeg Free Press – Editorial: Canada needs four years of stability.

Again, there are links to every article if you go to the website.
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The title of Official Opposition is very much in the air. I'm sure you can see through this graphic how unfair the winner take all system is.

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I don't think our current system is unfair. The only ones complaining it is are the supporters of the lower rung parties. One thing I would like to see. I know proportional government is popular, but I don't like the idea that a person who wasn't elected, still getting a seat by being appointed by a party leader. Winning a seat with 40% of the vote is still winning.
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@ ray

YEah they've done allot of things. Though to claim the accountability acts as "accomplishments" is a bit rich, considering they have shut down parliament whenever it suited them, have the worst access to information record in years, and have prevented the bureaucrats and scientists from talking to the media.

Not sure whether we should call getting us involved in another war should be considered an accomplishment.

GST cut was actually bad policy, income tax cuts would have been better. it also helped them piss away the budget surplus.

They put in allot of piddly tax credits too, the benefit of these vs their costs should be something to look at. They offer only marginal benefits to Canadians but cost the government revenue and administration costs. The harper government seems intent on continually complicating the tax code.

Crime bills, allright, but hardly necessary, they have also tended to be focused entirely on increasing punishment and therefore increasing costs.

Free trade agreements are good, so yes those are some real accomplishments.
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VOTE!!

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http://youtu.be/w2r5gxQhcfI

I know it's futile but let's get out there and vote.

http://youtu.be/yqW2tsvrMUY
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GreecePwns wrote:The title of Official Opposition is very much in the air. I'm sure you can see through this graphic how unfair the winner take all system is.

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Hey where did the Alberta Liberal go? We had one didn't we?
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2dimes wrote:http://youtu.be/w2r5gxQhcfI

I know it's futile I got out there and voted.

http://youtu.be/yqW2tsvrMUY
I was reviewing the candidates and nearly voted for the Marxist Lennonist woman.
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There's a Marxist-Leninist in my riding too. He's been running for years. I don't think he's ever gotten more than a dozen votes.
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The polls close in less than 5 minutes, on the east coast. Let the television watching begin.
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Timminz wrote:There's a Marxist-Leninist in my riding too. He's been running for years. I don't think he's ever gotten more than a dozen votes.
There was Marxist-Leninist in my riding until this year, guess he finally called it quits. Probably just as well, he was only getting the pity votes.
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Timminz wrote:There's a Marxist-Leninist in my riding too. He's been running for years. I don't think he's ever gotten more than a dozen votes.
I'm jelly, we only had mainstream parties I didin't get to giggle at any of the silly parties.
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Nendreel wrote:
Timminz wrote:There's a Marxist-Leninist in my riding too. He's been running for years. I don't think he's ever gotten more than a dozen votes.
There was Marxist-Leninist in my riding until this year, guess he finally called it quits. Probably just as well, he was only getting the pity votes.
Ours has been running since the 1990s but I think the PC party has had the seat since 1913 or so.
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Ok I don't know if that would actually be a result but...
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That last post was supposed to be pretending to celebrate but might be seen as nasty because they're talking about the bloc losing official party status because they've lost so many seats.

Dear Mike, how's the vote of non confidence going?
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Polls aren't closed everywhere. Just so you know 2d, it is illegal to post results with polls still open.
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It's 7:32 in BC arn't they done?
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8 pm


I won't call the RCMP but Timminz will.
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I can't afford a fine so I guess it's jail. I hope I can get internet.
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The number still hasn't stopped changing. Is it still posting results if it's bogus?
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Conservative majority. NDP gains astounding numbers. Liberals lose ridiculous amounts. Bloq crippled. Greens May have one. see what I did there?


I'm not as upset as I expected to be. It will be interesting to see how the next election cycle plays out.
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We have a Conservative majority! YES!!! I'm at a Conservative rally right now, first time I've ever been to one.
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Timminz wrote:Conservative majority. NDP gains astounding numbers. Liberals lose ridiculous amounts. Bloq crippled. Greens May have one. see what I did there?


I'm not as upset as I expected to be. It will be interesting to see how the next election cycle plays out.
Oh, i c wat you did there.

I was a little surprised by the (technically tentative) results. Didn't think the Cons would get a majority, or that the Bloc would get completely neutered.

Looks like the Liberals will be cleaning house soon though.
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Both disappointed and pleased by the results. Disappointed that the conservatives won a majority I'm very concerned about what they will do over the coming years, on the other hand I'm very happy to see the NDP do so well in Quebec and very very happy to see the Greens win a seat. Only time will tell how the government plays out hopefully not as badly as I fear.
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