Discussion: Does Yahweh really love us?

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2dimes, yes I know these three religions have vastly separated from each other throughout time, but in my book they are all the same religion at the ground level because they are all still monotheistic (although some would argue Christianity is poltheistic because of the trinity, but I assure you it's not), and thus all believe in the same God. If we (members of these three religions) all believe in the same God, then what else matters? How we worship Him is only a method and not a belief. We have different customs and such, but it doesn't matter as much as the fact that we all believe in God. Now I don't know what my fellow Mulsim and Jewish brothers think of Christianity, but I do know that we all come from the same roots, and hhave similar ideologies, enough to make the three religions one. (kind of like the trinity, huh?)

[2dimes]

You may want to read the quoran a second time.

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I know what you mean. The Muslims believe that Jews and Christians suffer a worse fate in h*ll than heathens. But I don't believe that, in spite of that, we're all brothers and sisters in Christ.

[2dimes]

You should go to the middle east, tell them about it and give them a great big old hug.

[Juan_Bottom]

I know what you mean. The Muslims believe that Jews and Christians suffer a worse fate in h*ll than heathens. But I don't believe that, in spite of that, we're all brothers and sisters in Christ.

"Surely, those who believe, those who are the Jews and the Sabians and the Christians – whosoever believed in Allaah and the Last Day, and worked righteousness, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve."
[al-Maa’idah 5:69]

I fuckin' hate the religious. I'm the King Atheist and I know more about this shit than 90% of them do. Actually that must be why I'm an Atheist.

2dimes, yes I know these three religions have vastly separated from each other throughout time, but in my book they are all the same religion at the ground level because they are all still monotheistic (although some would argue Christianity is poltheistic because of the trinity, but I assure you it's not), and thus all believe in the same God.

Originally Jews worshiped many Gods. In fact, the Old Testament makes several references(Thou shall have no other Gods before me). But over time these Gods were all stamped out in favor of the Jewish God-of-War, Yahweh. You see, the Jews were constantly being attacked by rival nations, so asking the God-of-War for help seemed the best course of action...... Jewish leaders asked their fellow Jews to not waste their time on other Gods who could not help them, and then stamped them out of their religious texts for good measure.
Essentially you worship the Jewish Ares. That's why the Old Testament is so violent. If you want to trip some of your friends out bring these Gods back. You've probably heard of one or two of them.

[BigBallinStalin]

That's why I dedicate all my religious activities to worshiping Odin. He is BY FAR a much more superior God-of-War than Yahweh.

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yes, the Bible does talk about the Jews worshipping other gods and the trouble that befell Israel. Judaism may have once been polytheistic, but I doubt there are many non-monotheistic Jews out there, or at least the majority of Jews are monotheistic.

[Symmetry]

yes, the Bible does talk about the Jews worshipping other gods and the trouble that befell Israel. Judaism may have once been polytheistic, but I doubt there are many non-monotheistic Jews out there, or at least the majority of Jews are monotheistic.

Out of interest, do you see Judaism as a faith, or a cultural group (or maybe an eihnicity) ? I ask because there are many people I know personally, but also many famous people who consider themselves Jewish while not being theistic at all- poly or mono.

I know it wasn't what you were trying to say, and I think you're right, but do you think it's possible to add the category of atheistic Jew?

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Judaism as in ethnic group? Never thought of that. Perhaps you're right and some people consider themselves Jews by ethnicity rather than religion. In my discussion, I was reffering to the Jews, Muslims, and Christians as a people of a faith, rather than a people of a race. Interesting though.
If you think of Judaism as a race rather than a religion, you can seriously say "aethestic Jew" withuot being contradictory, just like saying "aetheistic African" is not contradictory (just a random example, not picking on anyone). I honestly didn't realize some people considered themselves Jews because of their heritage, I thought all Jews called themselves so because their religion was Judaism.

[notyou2]

Christianity isn't monotheistic. I count at least 3 gods, maybe 4 if you are catholic.

[Symmetry]

Judaism as in ethnic group? Never thought of that. Perhaps you're right and some people consider themselves Jews by ethnicity rather than religion. In my discussion, I was reffering to the Jews, Muslims, and Christians as a people of a faith, rather than a people of a race. Interesting though.
If you think of Judaism as a race rather than a religion, you can seriously say "aethestic Jew" withuot being contradictory, just like saying "aetheistic African" is not contradictory (just a random example, not picking on anyone). I honestly didn't realize some people considered themselves Jews because of their heritage, I thought all Jews called themselves so because their religion was Judaism.

Fair enough- many Jewish people do see it as an ethnicity though. Woody Allen comes to mind. Likewise some denominations of Judaism argue that even if you fully believe in Judaism, you're not Jewish unless your mother was Jewish. It's a complicated question.

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notyou2, you don't understand Christianity if you don't know it's monotheistic. The trinity, to outsiders, is polytheistic, but in reality it's completely montheistic. God is three Persons in one Being. It's hard to explain, but He is one God.
Yes, funny thing about Judaism. There was this one woman who wanted to become a Jew, and the Jewish leaders kept refusing her until the third time she asked, because that is their tradition, letting people in on their third try. There's somewhere in the Bible that they base that tradition on, I forget where, possibly where Ruth is asking her mother-in-law if she can go with her back to her city, and her mother-in-law tells her to go back home until the third time Ruth says she wants to go with her. Yes, to me, Jews are very traditional and ritualistic.

[notyou2]

notyou2, you don't understand Christianity if you don't know it's monotheistic. The trinity, to outsiders, is polytheistic, but in reality it's completely montheistic. God is three Persons in one Being. It's hard to explain, but He is one God.
Yes, funny thing about Judaism. There was this one woman who wanted to become a Jew, and the Jewish leaders kept refusing her until the third time she asked, because that is their tradition, letting people in on their third try. There's somewhere in the Bible that they base that tradition on, I forget where, possibly where Ruth is asking her mother-in-law if she can go with her back to her city, and her mother-in-law tells her to go back home until the third time Ruth says she wants to go with her. Yes, to me, Jews are very traditional and ritualistic.

OK, what about the devil? If he rules over his own area, then he is a god too.


So much for your monotheistic religion. Apparently that is just another of the many falsehoods in christianity.

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notyou2, you don't understand Christianity if you don't know it's monotheistic. The trinity, to outsiders, is polytheistic, but in reality it's completely montheistic. God is three Persons in one Being. It's hard to explain, but He is one God.
Yes, funny thing about Judaism. There was this one woman who wanted to become a Jew, and the Jewish leaders kept refusing her until the third time she asked, because that is their tradition, letting people in on their third try. There's somewhere in the Bible that they base that tradition on, I forget where, possibly where Ruth is asking her mother-in-law if she can go with her back to her city, and her mother-in-law tells her to go back home until the third time Ruth says she wants to go with her. Yes, to me, Jews are very traditional and ritualistic.

OK, what about the devil? If he rules over his own area, then he is a god too.


So much for your monotheistic religion. Apparently that is just another of the many falsehoods in christianity.

You're ignorant of Christianity if you think the devil is a god. he is not. not at all.

[Lionz]

SD7,

There might be Muslims who treat things like they are descended from Ishmael, but he lived over 2,000 years before Islam and did not start it maybe... Islam might actually borrow one or more thing having to do with an arab moon false deity or something like that. How about search Islam arab moon in a search engine?

BBS,

How about talk to Yah if you have a concern about what is wrong to do morally... or even if you do not?

Juan,

What do you consider a Jew? An original Jew would be Judah maybe. Do you have any evidence that he worshipped someone that was not Yah? There might be several living individuals and non-living things that have have been worshipped, but who has Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and Moses worshipped?

[notyou2]

notyou2, you don't understand Christianity if you don't know it's monotheistic. The trinity, to outsiders, is polytheistic, but in reality it's completely montheistic. God is three Persons in one Being. It's hard to explain, but He is one God.
Yes, funny thing about Judaism. There was this one woman who wanted to become a Jew, and the Jewish leaders kept refusing her until the third time she asked, because that is their tradition, letting people in on their third try. There's somewhere in the Bible that they base that tradition on, I forget where, possibly where Ruth is asking her mother-in-law if she can go with her back to her city, and her mother-in-law tells her to go back home until the third time Ruth says she wants to go with her. Yes, to me, Jews are very traditional and ritualistic.

OK, what about the devil? If he rules over his own area, then he is a god too.


So much for your monotheistic religion. Apparently that is just another of the many falsehoods in christianity.

You're ignorant of Christianity if you think the devil is a god. he is not. not at all.

Your religion has these 2 guys at the opposite end of the spectrum. One represents light, the other darkness. They each have an area (kingdom) they rule over. This monotheistic thing is just another of the many falsehoods that your religion preaches. That is why I renounce it and call BS.

Just because you don't recognize satan as being a god doesn't mean others don't. He definitely makes several appearances in the books you hold up that are allegedly written by saints from your religion. I do not call a religion that has 2 gods monotheistic.

[2dimes]

That's why I dedicate all my religious activities to worshiping Odin. He is BY FAR a much more superior God-of-War than Yahweh.

Really? I never hear people complain about the wars caused by him.

[BigBallinStalin]

BBS,

How about talk to Jah if you have a concern about what is wrong to do morally... or even if you do not?

Mon, I talk to Jah everyday, and everyday he say "Irie."

Higher than high--rastafari!

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notyou2, you don't understand Christianity if you don't know it's monotheistic. The trinity, to outsiders, is polytheistic, but in reality it's completely montheistic. God is three Persons in one Being. It's hard to explain, but He is one God.
Yes, funny thing about Judaism. There was this one woman who wanted to become a Jew, and the Jewish leaders kept refusing her until the third time she asked, because that is their tradition, letting people in on their third try. There's somewhere in the Bible that they base that tradition on, I forget where, possibly where Ruth is asking her mother-in-law if she can go with her back to her city, and her mother-in-law tells her to go back home until the third time Ruth says she wants to go with her. Yes, to me, Jews are very traditional and ritualistic.

OK, what about the devil? If he rules over his own area, then he is a god too.


So much for your monotheistic religion. Apparently that is just another of the many falsehoods in christianity.

You're ignorant of Christianity if you think the devil is a god. he is not. not at all.

Your religion has these 2 guys at the opposite end of the spectrum. One represents light, the other darkness. They each have an area (kingdom) they rule over. This monotheistic thing is just another of the many falsehoods that your religion preaches. That is why I renounce it and call BS.

Just because you don't recognize satan as being a god doesn't mean others don't. He definitely makes several appearances in the books you hold up that are allegedly written by saints from your religion. I do not call a religion that has 2 gods monotheistic.

well, yes, just because i don't believe the devil to be a god doesn't mean other people don't, but honestly I don't know anyone who believes satan to be a god. The only true God is the Lord God Almighty.
Monotheistic means belief in one God, and if you don't consider the devil a god than it's still monotheistic. satan is more of an angel of darkness rather than a god. And yes, he is mentioned in many of the books of the Old Testament and New Testament. that doesn't make him a god. Noah, Moses, and other Biblical figures are also mentioned in both testaments, but are not considered gods. The only reason you may consider satan remotely to be a god is because he has the power of temptation, sin, evil, etc. Which can be overcome if we resist it enough, or ask God for help to resist it, etc. That's one difference between God and satan. When you're resisting God's will, you're doing so by your own free will that He allows you; when you resist satan's "will" then you're doing so with your own will power + strength from God over satan's push of temptation. satan doesn't allow you free will, he tries to get you to do things against your better judgement, and the only way that you don't, is by resisting him with your will power over his temptations. satan's not a god, the only true God is the Lord God Almighty.

[natty dread]

Fascinating story.

[notyou2]

I'm pretty sure that satan is simply a tool to make you believe in the other false god. They are all false and these people that promote christianity want two things:

1. Your support
2. Your money

With these things they can continue to promote what they have been promoting for as long as man has existed: war and hatred.

[BigBallinStalin]

I'm pretty sure that satan is simply a tool to make you believe in the other false god. They are all false and these people that promote christianity want two things:

1. Your support
2. Your money

With these things they can continue to promote what they have been promoting for as long as man has existed: war and hatred ETERNAL SALVATION FROM THE FIERY PITS OF HELL.

Fixed for religious accurcacy =P

[john9blue]

I'm pretty sure that satan is simply a tool to make you believe in the other false god. They are all false and these people that promote christianity want two things:

1. Your support
2. Your money

With these things they can continue to promote what they have been promoting for as long as man has existed: war and hatred.

you REALLY think that is why christians promote christianity? really?

i know most atheists become atheists after being traumatized by bad christians, but that is a ridiculous statement coming from anybody.

[natty dread]

Yeah, look at all the love and happiness the Christians managed to create in Uganda.

[BigBallinStalin]

Yeah, look at all the love and happiness the Christians managed to create in Uganda.